Tom brady is one of the main reasons for modern offenses in the nfl being pampered in the first place and he should be thanking Adam Vinetieri and those defenses in the early 2000s for his first 3 Super Bowls anyways. And I’m sorry as great as Tom Brady has been for his career the eye test won’t allow me to call him the GOAT no matter how many rings he has. His circumstances have helped him tremendously through out his career. This is what I dislike about American criteria in sports it’s all about rings before everything else compared to the world. In soccer the overwhelming majority of people in the world know Ronaldinho isn’t better than Messi because he won a world championship and Messi didn’t.
I won't address the bolded because you're exposing your lack of depth when it comes to NFL history, there's been a bevy of threads on it and I can let
@FabTrey or
@BucciMane explain why you're inaccurate. Not outright wrong, but definitely inaccurate.
Idk where you rep originally, but America is a results based country, I'm just being consistent with grading things on results. Jimmy Carter was a better man than most Presidents that have ever led this place. He got 1 term due to circumstance, and Americans being shytty people, we don't call him one of the best Presidents ever even though he had the
potential.
If your GOATs are based on ability then that's your take but for most people the "greatest" at any given task has to be the nexus of where potential meets results. A high earning job won't higher me strictly off HS, and college grades, I need to showcase application of skill in meaningful situations.
If we're speaking on the most talented QBs, best throwers, etc. I leave Brady out of those convos, but when it comes down to composite best it's not now nor will it ever be (barring Mahomes getting to 8-10 SBs or winning 5+) a convo on the GOAT QB. I get it though, you're entitled to your opinion most guys who pick against Brady have a guy who they either like more in terms of style or watched more of (Montana, Marino, Manning, Rodgers). It is what it is. I get your take I just think it's framed in bias. Agree to disagree