Aaliyah = Cieara

[Monoblock]

I could spit in your face right now.

Sampling Aaliyah wasn't Jay's idea. It was DJ Premier's. So even if he was homies with Aaliyah, it's irrelevant.

No matter how you slice it, Aaliyah was their big break. It doesn't matter whether she didn't write her songs and was no dynamic singer.

Any face that any decent singer and pretty woman could have filled? Nicole Wray had a song that was a Top 5 hit written by Missy and produced by Timbaland. "Make It Hot" is her only hit. Timbaland produced for a stable of talented, beautiful females that never blew up. Virginia Williams was a great singer.

Who knows if Missy would've blown-up? I mean, let's look at Static and his group Playa. They had Timbaland production, but that album didn't catch on like Aaliyahs, Ginuwine's, Missy's, or the Tim & Magoo album. Static was possibly a better writer than Missy.

You can't put Ciara in her position. Even given some of the biggest producers and songwriters, we've already seen what happened.

Thank you. Now let's end this thread

 

[Blah1991]

Aaliyah's discography blows most RnB chicks out of the water. That saying something for someone who lived such a short life.

 

[Wacky D]

Aaliyah's discography blows most RnB chicks out of the water. That saying something for someone who lived such a short life.

But she did have those things and her discography is greater than Ciara's. These what ifs and hypothetical scenarios of if you took away this, added that, divided this by 2, and carried the 1 logic is ridiculous. Bottom line Aailyah's disco> Ciara and it aint even close.
Aaliyah songwriters> Ciara's,
Aaliyah's producers> Ciara's
Aaliyah movies> Ciara's

Aaliyah as a complete product >>Ciara
No matter how you try to slice it they are not equal on any level.

its nothing hypothetical about it.

aaliyah brought nothing to the table. she clearly a product of the people around her. and you know it.

lol @ movies. aaliyah wasnt a good actor. and that movie that she was the star of got chitted on. we're talking music anyway. all that other stuff is off-topic.

It's not an insinuation. Before his work with Aaliyah, he was relatively unknown. After his work with Aaliyah, the industry was like . That led to Timbaland becoming one of the "it" producers in Urban music.

Aaliyah is praised because she stood out.Being a great singer alone never made anyone a star. You could take the greatest vocalist and put them with a mediocre team of writers and producers, and end up with garbage. On the other hand you could put a decent or even a mediocre vocalist with a great to incredible team of writers and producers and end up with gold. I'm not saying that Monica and Brandy were garbage (they have classics), but Aaliyah stood out from them. They had bigger hits and sold more, but their albums (even their prime albums) aren't as discussed. It's rare to even see their albums mentioned or compared. With Aaliyah, she had artists sampling her music and even talking about the impact of it way before she died.

monica & brandy's albums arent discussed anymore now?
sure aaliyah's stuff gets mentioned more nowadays, but thats because she died. its called revisionist history.

so we're just going to continue on pretending that ginuwine didnt come out right after that aaliyah joint? that aaliyah album didnt even start selling like that until the "one in a million" single dropped months later. and lets not even mention missy who had hotter songs poppin at the time too. missy & timbo blow regardless.

its okay tho. uncle barry wouldve found yet another producer to keep aaliyah's career going.

I couldn't imagine anybody but Aaliyah singing on her songs...Aaliyahs image and relatability added to her greatness and has to factor into her appeal....She was seen as the girl next door to nikkas nationwide after watching her blossom from tomboy to a bad chick......and to females she had that relateability and was like they homegirl....at least compare her to Rhianna if you must compare....it aint easy getting the love aaliyah got....Ciara is more Mya

dog. this is nothing but images, marketing & childhood nostalgia. and her style wasnt even hers, so the idea of nobody being able to sing her songs is laughable.

if you were more seasoned when aaliyah came out, you'd be brushing her off like youre doing ciara.

People sampled Aaliyah was she was alive:

what does this even prove?

if you have a hit record, its going to get sampled eventually.

and lol @ no limit. they specialized in making response records. they sampled brandy too. and we already know the dealing with monica & mya,.

 

[JustCKing]

its nothing hypothetical about it.

aaliyah brought nothing to the table. she clearly a product of the people around her. and you know it.

lol @ movies. aaliyah wasnt a good actor. and that movie that she was the star of got chitted on. we're talking music anyway. all that other stuff is off-topic.



monica & brandy's albums arent discussed anymore now?
sure aaliyah's stuff gets mentioned more nowadays, but thats because she died. its called revisionist history.

so we're just going to continue on pretending that ginuwine didnt come out right after that aaliyah joint? that aaliyah album didnt even start selling like that until the "one in a million" single dropped months later. and lets not even mention missy who had hotter songs poppin at the time too. missy & timbo blow regardless.

its okay tho. uncle barry wouldve found yet another producer to keep aaliyah's career going.




dog. this is nothing but images, marketing & childhood nostalgia. and her style wasnt even hers, so the idea of nobody being able to sing her songs is laughable.

if you were more seasoned when aaliyah came out, you'd be brushing her off like youre doing ciara.




what does this even prove?

if you have a hit record, its going to get sampled eventually.

and lol @ no limit. they specialized in making response records. they sampled brandy too. and we already know the dealing with monica & mya,.

You're agreeing that Aaliyah gets mentioned more right? It doesn't matter that she died. Death doesn't impact a lot of careers in the way that it does others. Pun died, but even his best effort Capital Punishment isn't an album that's discussed in the same breath as It's Dark And Hell Is Hot. Pun passed and X is still alive, yet It's Dark And Hell Is Hot is the album that's canonized and not Pun's debut. In regard to Aaliyah, Brandy, and Monica: both sold more than Aaliyah, but their music didn't have the impact. They even had bigger hits. Yet people speak on how classic and groundbreaking Aaliyah's music was.

G's album came three months after Aaliyah's. In the short space between their albums, it's the "One In A Million" song by Aaliyah that's credited with introducing Tim's signature sound to the mainstream.

A lot of people could've sang Aaliyah's songs, but it probably wouldn't have been a perfect fit. For example, "One In A Million" had different lyrics and a different title before they changed it to fit Aaliyah.

Hit records aren't always sampled and a song doesn't necessarily have to be a hit to be sampled. People sample songs because they are inspired by that song and that song impacted them in some type of way.

 

[BastardChild]

Cieara.. im gonna have to go back 7 pages and enjoy this one..



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[bl2k8]

Put Aliyah's top 5 songs next to Ciara's top 5.

 

[Wacky D]

You're agreeing that Aaliyah gets mentioned more right? It doesn't matter that she died. Death doesn't impact a lot of careers in the way that it does others. Pun died, but even his best effort Capital Punishment isn't an album that's discussed in the same breath as It's Dark And Hell Is Hot. Pun passed and X is still alive, yet It's Dark And Hell Is Hot is the album that's canonized and not Pun's debut. In regard to Aaliyah, Brandy, and Monica: both sold more than Aaliyah, but their music didn't have the impact. They even had bigger hits. Yet people speak on how classic and groundbreaking Aaliyah's music was.

G's album came three months after Aaliyah's. In the short space between their albums, it's the "One In A Million" song by Aaliyah that's credited with introducing Tim's signature sound to the mainstream.

A lot of people could've sang Aaliyah's songs, but it probably wouldn't have been a perfect fit. For example, "One In A Million" had different lyrics and a different title before they changed it to fit Aaliyah.

Hit records aren't always sampled and a song doesn't necessarily have to be a hit to be sampled. People sample songs because they are inspired by that song and that song impacted them in some type of way.

hold up. monica & brandy didnt have more impact than aaliyah now!!?? this is the chit that im talking about.

yes, death does matter when your death is marketed. and big pun is a horrible example. youre proving my point right there. when his death was being marketed, he was often ranked higher than dmx indeed. dude was even cracking top 10s at one point. same with big l.

there was nothing groundbreaking about aaliyah. her whole style was bitten. just give props to her writers & producers and keep it movin. and i dont know about her having classic chit either, unless youre just talking about singles. ive never EVER, even in her death, heard any of her albums mentioned with monica's chit, or even brandy's.

i apologize for calling you out on the sample comment, because i didnt peep what you were responding to. but the point still stands. anybody with a record spinning 27216 times a day on the airwaves is inspiring somebody, no matter how good or bad their track is.

Put Aliyah's top 5 songs next to Ciara's top 5.

read some of the thread, dog.

A Gold plaque for an artist who hadn't dropped an album in five years is not a disappointment. When that album dropped in summer '01, only a Alicia Keys, India Arie, and Mary J. Blige were the only female R&B singers selling more than Aaliyah. Mary always sold more than Aaliyah. I don't see your point here. If we're including groups throw Destiny's Child in there. It's still a far cry from "mad chicks" passing her up. Blu Cantrell? Sunshine Anderson? Olivia? Tamia? None of them were bigger than Aaliyah when she dropped Aaliyah.

in other words, she was a mid-carder.

then, when she died, shes suddenly aretha franklin.

 

[Lost His Smile]

fukk this thread like those planes those hit the two towers. fukk you.

 

[Maddmike]

fukk this thread like those planes those hit the two towers. fukk you.

 

[JustCKing]

hold up. monica & brandy didnt have more impact than aaliyah now!!?? this is the chit that im talking about.

yes, death does matter when your death is marketed. and big pun is a horrible example. youre proving my point right there. when his death was being marketed, he was often ranked higher than dmx indeed. dude was even cracking top 10s at one point. same with big l.

there was nothing groundbreaking about aaliyah. her whole style was bitten. just give props to her writers & producers and keep it movin. and i dont know about her having classic chit either, unless youre just talking about singles. ive never EVER, even in her death, heard any of her albums mentioned with monica's chit, or even brandy's.

i apologize for calling you out on the sample comment, because i didnt peep what you were responding to. but the point still stands. anybody with a record spinning 27216 times a day on the airwaves is inspiring somebody, no matter how good or bad their track is.





read some of the thread, dog.




in other words, she was a mid-carder.

then, when she died, shes suddenly aretha franklin.

Put it this way. In 1998, Monica and Brandy had full length albums out. Aaliyah just had the one song, "Are You That Somebody". Brandy and Monica had chart topping singles that were bigger hits. "Are You That Somebody" was acclaimed and discussed at length that year. That song stood out in the midst of "The Boy Is Mine", "First Night", and "Sittin' On Top of the World"

Monica and Brandy's music is hardly discussed. That's not a lie. They sold more and had bigger hits than Mary J. Blige, Faith Evans, and a lot of women of that era, but in comparison, they are overlooked.

How is Big Pun a horrible example? Big Pun is ultimately considered an incredibly lyricist. He was praised for that before he died. What I'm saying is he wasn't all of a sudden exaggerated to some legendary status due to him dying.

Aaliyah wasn't ballooned into some GOAT. Everything that's been said about her was said about her prior to her death.

 

[Wacky D]

Put it this way. In 1998, Monica and Brandy had full length albums out. Aaliyah just had the one song, "Are You That Somebody". Brandy and Monica had chart topping singles that were bigger hits. "Are You That Somebody" was acclaimed and discussed at length that year. That song stood out in the midst of "The Boy Is Mine", "First Night", and "Sittin' On Top of the World"

Monica and Brandy's music is hardly discussed. That's not a lie. They sold more and had bigger hits than Mary J. Blige, Faith Evans, and a lot of women of that era, but in comparison, they are overlooked.

How is Big Pun a horrible example? Big Pun is ultimately considered an incredibly lyricist. He was praised for that before he died. What I'm saying is he wasn't all of a sudden exaggerated to some legendary status due to him dying.

Aaliyah wasn't ballooned into some GOAT. Everything that's been said about her was said about her prior to her death.

discussed at full-length by whom? kids? rap fans that mostly just liked the beat? it certainly wasnt discussed at length because of her struggle vocals all thru the track.

monica and brandy are hardly discussed by whom? where you be at? monica can drop a classic song RIGHT NOW.

big pun's legend was indeed exaggerated when they started promoting his death. maybe you just didnt notice. its tapered off in recent years once the hype stopped.

lol @ the last comment. man you got people in here trying to credit aaliyah for starting trends that she hopped on 2 years after the fact. and all other types of ridiculous chit. i cant even listen to her music anymore cuz of this f*ck chit.

 

[JustCKing]

discussed at full-length by whom? kids? rap fans that mostly just liked the beat? it certainly wasnt discussed at length because of her struggle vocals all thru the track.

monica and brandy are hardly discussed by whom? where you be at? monica can drop a classic song RIGHT NOW.

big pun's legend was indeed exaggerated when they started promoting his death. maybe you just didnt notice. its tapered off in recent years once the hype stopped.

lol @ the last comment. man you got people in here trying to credit aaliyah for starting trends that she hopped on 2 years after the fact. and all other types of ridiculous chit. i cant even listen to her music anymore cuz of this f*ck chit.

All I'm getting from your posts is that you think she's overrated. It doesn't change the fact that people gave her that kind of credit or that she had that kind of hype when she was alive. What you think are struggle vocals, others would argue is singing. Maybe people loved the beat. Whatever the reason, it was her song.

Monica and Brandy just released new albums not too long ago. I checked Monica's last one back when it first dropped and it's far from a classic or even her best work. They are still overshadowed,

Aaliyah died a year after Pun, yet she's still discussed and still influencing artists' music who weren't known when she was living.

 

[Wacky D]

All I'm getting from your posts is that you think she's overrated. It doesn't change the fact that people gave her that kind of credit or that she had that kind of hype when she was alive. What you think are struggle vocals, others would argue is singing. Maybe people loved the beat. Whatever the reason, it was her song.

Monica and Brandy just released new albums not too long ago. I checked Monica's last one back when it first dropped and it's far from a classic or even her best work. They are still overshadowed,

Aaliyah died a year after Pun, yet she's still discussed and still influencing artists' music who weren't known when she was living.

theyre still milking aaliyah's legacy. it doesnt matter when a person died. its about mass marketing. be smart son. hell, look at eazy-e. we done went thru 2 or 3 different periods of his legacy either being ignored or honored.

if you think she got the same type of credit & hype when she was alive, then i dont have anything else to say to you. im just gonna give you the benefit and assume that youre just bullchittin.

and show me a person that doesnt think her singing on that song is struggle vocals, and i will show you a fool.

i said monica can drop a classic joint right now. i didnt say album. its no need to even bring that up, cuz monica dropped a certified classic way back when. aaliyah never did.

when were monica & brandy overshadowed? not in the '90s. they ran their lane. aaliyah was 3rd wheel - thanks to her team.

 

[JustCKing]

theyre still milking aaliyah's legacy. it doesnt matter when a person died. its about mass marketing. be smart son. hell, look at eazy-e. we done went thru 2 or 3 different periods of his legacy either being ignored or honored.

if you think she got the same type of credit & hype when she was alive, then i dont have anything else to say to you. im just gonna give you the benefit and assume that youre just bullchittin.

and show me a person that doesnt think her singing on that song is struggle vocals, and i will show you a fool.

i said monica can drop a classic joint right now. i didnt say album. its no need to even bring that up, cuz monica dropped a certified classic way back when. aaliyah never did.

when were monica & brandy overshadowed? not in the '90s. they ran their lane. aaliyah was 3rd wheel - thanks to her team.

Aaliyah's legacy is being milked, but she's not being promoted as a ground breaker and trendsetter after death. Those titles were applied to her in the '90's and the early '00's before she died. You could chalk it up to whatever you want to chalk it up to. Let's say Aaliyah was the wackest singer ever backed by Grade A production, it doesn't take away the acclaim that she was given BEFORE she died. When people die, things that were said about them while alive are often echoed. One In A Million was an album that helped change R&B and Urban music. Whether you want to accredit that to the production and writing is all on you. Whether you want to acknowledge that at all is on you.

The world is full of fools then, because there's a lot of people that would disagree with you about her vocals.

In terms of her being a third wheel, she's only a third wheel in terms of sales and chart hits. Monica and Brandy's impact and influence wasn't as big as Aaliyah's.

 

[KnowledgeOfSelf17]

LOL @ the bolded.

the only one rewriting history in here is you. youre just making stuff up on the fly. and i asked you to explain how 702 supposedly bit aaliyah and you conveniently ignored me.

it doesnt matter when TLC moved on from the tom-boy look. THEYRE THE ONES THAT BLEW IT UP AND MADE IT FASHIONABLE. who cares if they moved on to something else nearly 3 years later? THATS WHAT TRENDSETTERS DO. they had mad females dressing like them(adults included) for more than 2 years before aaliyah even came out. and there werent any dam adults influenced by aaliyah, so dont even try it.

and aaliyah didnt do chit to change the style up like youre trying to claim. aaliyah came out looking like the lost member of Xscape. tons of acts came out riding that wave after TLC before aalyiah even hit the scene, and she came out dressing just like the rest of the pack. you buggin man.
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you got a lot of animosity for aalyiah dawg...were you happy when star played that airplane crash sound bite


and nikka is you on something...702 was never included in my post


you busy saying she aint change shyt.. why they going so hard to make her movie then.. she blew up more cause of her death?

yeah a little more known... but she ain't blow up like 2pac after death...

and as far as image goes... how many fukking girls tried to wear there hair long and cover they eye...

they said she had a lazy eye..remember that rumor... (fact check that shyt)

and for someone who copied and all that... WHY are they making that movie again?

oh yeah, cause they know her cult following is going to watch that shyt

Why drake made a damn album with her music if she wack or a copy cat....

Drake who we know is top dawg in the game alone..

why chris brown cut these bytches off performing in the middle of there set just to play a song he had with aaliyah vocals on....

you a funny dude


my nikka she was building up a commercial takeover prior to her death...
she did 2 videos before the album drop so she can flood the market with her movies and music...

AND guess what..... she was the fiancé of dame dash when the Roc was on top during the run into the BLUEPRINT ERA....come on son


does that move sounds familiar ...mmmmm oh yeah.... beyonce...
if she so wack why beyonce was studying her so hard .... i swear you

i'm wrapping this up... aaliyah aint no ciara

*edit*oh my bad i mean cieara like that dumb nikka who was to lazy to google spell check her name

(fun fact nikka ) she was part of that silly urban legend, of styles p saying another bytch in a rocawear coat.... fuccccccckk outta here.....