Aaliyah = Cieara

[Lord Scion]

LOL @ the bolded.

lol @ the bolded. LOL.

yea... it did actually, like many other posters pointed out.... it brought the Timbaland production to the forefront, which did indeed reshape R&B (and hip-hop) for quite a while. Yea, you can argue that sound he brought was a refined version of DeVante's Jodeci-era production.... but none the less, after that album, and Missy's (edit- and Ginuwine's) subsequent blowing up after it did reshape the (mainstream) urban music landscape.

 

[Wacky D]

yea... it did actually, like many other posters pointed out.... it brought the Timbaland production to the forefront, which did indeed reshape R&B (and hip-hop) for quite a while. Yea, you can argue that sound he brought was a refined version of DeVante's Jodeci-era production.... but none the less, after that album, and Missy's (edit- and Ginuwine's) subsequent blowing up after it did reshape the (mainstream) urban music landscape.

yea its a refined version of devante's production. basically a more family-friendly version, and a tad bit watered-down.

it did help reshape the landscape of urban music tho.....the production that is. not the album.

i also recall ginuwine's album being bigger than aalyiah's in real-time, despite having a much lesser push(different labels anyway).

 

[flo]

Aaliyah was a much better singer
Ciara was a much better dancer
Overall performers, they're good for different reasons (Aaliyah was more precise whereas Ciara has more energy)
Aaliyah had a superior music catalog
Their music videos are about around the same level

 

[Wacky D]

aaliyah was a weak performer

 

[No_bammer_weed]

Lets be real tho....Aaliyah had Kells, Missy, and Timbo all writing and producing her sht, and in the process making incredible music. Those aforementioned artists all wanted to work with her, because they were all trying to get into her pants more than anything. I wouldn't say shes overrated, I love Aaliyah and at the end of the day her success and resume does speak for itself, but if you look at her skill set objectively she wasn't anything special as an artist. I cant think of one thing she did exceptionally well. She was just the beneficiary of great timing, and surrounding herself with a legendary circle. Who knows how her career would have shaken out once the Virginia crew fell apart.

 

[Monoblock]

Lets be real tho....Aaliyah had Kells, Missy, and Timbo all writing and producing her sht, and in the process making incredible music. Those aforementioned artists all wanted to work with her, because they were all trying to get into her pants more than anything. I wouldn't say shes overrated, I love Aaliyah and at the end of the day her success and resume does speak for itself, but if you look at her skill set objectively she wasn't anything special as an artist. I cant think of one thing she did exceptionally well. She was just the beneficiary of great timing, and surrounding herself with a legendary circle. Who knows how her career would have shaken out once the Virginia crew fell apart.

I can agree with that. She was the Rhianna of her time (but just with better songs). She had a gang on songwriters and producers helping her become who she was but like Star says if your delivery sucks then your team sucks and it ultimately falls on you for fukking up their vision. It still doesnt tarnish what she delivered as a finished product and that was her talent. She conveyed the idea of what the songwriters and her staff wanted. If we're being real hardly anyone writes their own shyt, produces it, and does the choreography. She did a good enough job to where her songs are still recognized today as being great music. Thats all I ask for. Ciara on the other hand....I honestly cant remember one song off the top of my head that holds up.

 

[JustCKing]

LOL @ the bolded.

the only one rewriting history in here is you. youre just making stuff up on the fly. and i asked you to explain how 702 supposedly bit aaliyah and you conveniently ignored me.

it doesnt matter when TLC moved on from the tom-boy look. THEYRE THE ONES THAT BLEW IT UP AND MADE IT FASHIONABLE. who cares if they moved on to something else nearly 3 years later? THATS WHAT TRENDSETTERS DO. they had mad females dressing like them(adults included) for more than 2 years before aaliyah even came out. and there werent any dam adults influenced by aaliyah, so dont even try it.

and aaliyah didnt do chit to change the style up like youre trying to claim. aaliyah came out looking like the lost member of Xscape. tons of acts came out riding that wave after TLC before aalyiah even hit the scene, and she came out dressing just like the rest of the pack. you buggin man.



so aalyiah gets credit for timbaland's production now?







not the same sound, but it followed the same foundation.

that 3rd aaliyah album didnt start poppin until she died. keep it real. she only had 2 albums poppin. just like ciara.




aaliyah fell off after 2 albums as well.

lol @ the bolded. LOL.

It doesn't matter if it's the same foundation. All music has a foundation in something. It doesn't mean that someone can't come along and expand on that foundation and create something new and different.

Aaliyah was certified Gold before she died. That's three albums that were poppin. It doesn't matter whether or not she died. Her death didn't inflate anything. She sold the same amount of records that she sold with her previous two albums after she died.

LOL at her falling off after two albums. Aaliyah is on par with her previous two albums. It was an acclaimed album even before she died.

 

[Wacky D]

If we're being real hardly anyone writes their own shyt, produces it, and does the choreography.

alot of people write and/or produce alot of their own stuff actually. but thats not even the knock.

aalyiah gets knocked for not writing, producing, etc because shes not a good singer. usually, if someone isnt a good vocalist, they compensate for their lack of singing ability by bringing something else to the table. aaliyah brought nothing to the table. she was just good at riding a track - in a way that wasnt original, and she was probably coached into that style by r.kelly anyway. and i know who kelz bit aaliyah style from too.

It doesn't matter if it's the same foundation. All music has a foundation in something. It doesn't mean that someone can't come along and expand on that foundation and create something new and different.
Aaliyah was certified Gold before she died. That's three albums that were poppin. It doesn't matter whether or not she died. Her death didn't inflate anything. She sold the same amount of records that she sold with her previous two albums after she died.
LOL at her falling off after two albums. Aaliyah is on par with her previous two albums. It was an acclaimed album even before she died.

put that gold plaque in perspective. her sales were a dissappointment dog. and that album wasnt making any real splash impact-wise either.it was a hot time period for r&b and mad chicks were passing her up at that time.

she shouldve been selling more if her chit was hot like you claim. especially since she was an established artist - which is the only reason why she even sold that much.

 

[JustCKing]

alot of people write and/or produce alot of their own stuff actually. but thats not even the knock.

aalyiah gets knocked for not writing, producing, etc because shes not a good singer. usually, if someone isnt a good vocalist, they compensate for their lack of singing ability by bringing something else to the table. aaliyah brought nothing to the table. she was just good at riding a track - in a way that wasnt original, and she was probably coached into that style by r.kelly anyway. and i know who kelz bit aaliyah style from too.



put that gold plaque in perspective. her sales were a dissappointment dog. and that album wasnt making any real splash impact-wise either.it was a hot time period for r&b and mad chicks were passing her up at that time.

she shouldve been selling more if her chit was hot like you claim. especially since she was an established artist - which is the only reason why she even sold that much.

A Gold plaque for an artist who hadn't dropped an album in five years is not a disappointment. When that album dropped in summer '01, only a Alicia Keys, India Arie, and Mary J. Blige were the only female R&B singers selling more than Aaliyah. Mary always sold more than Aaliyah. I don't see your point here. If we're including groups throw Destiny's Child in there. It's still a far cry from "mad chicks" passing her up. Blu Cantrell? Sunshine Anderson? Olivia? Tamia? None of them were bigger than Aaliyah when she dropped Aaliyah.

 

[Monoblock]

alot of people write and/or produce alot of their own stuff actually.

Like who? Not Beyonce, not Alicia Keys, of course not Ciara hell not Brandy, not Monica, not Destiny Child for that matter. Very few artist produce, write and choreograph their own even if they write a majority of their shyt like Neyo and The Dream they have help and co-writers.

 

[Wacky D]

Like who? Not Beyonce, not Alicia Keys, of course not Ciara hell not Brandy, not Monica, not Destiny Child for that matter. Very few artist produce, write and choreograph their own even if they write a majority of their shyt like Neyo and The Dream they have help and co-writers.

re-read my post dog.

everybody you listed can sing, except for ciara, who is the person aaliyah is being categorized with.

and on the flipside, the reason why the dream's non-singing ass gets a pass is because he writes & produces. same with nee-yo to a lesser extent.

you basically proved the OP to be correct and you aint e'en know it.

 

[Monoblock]

re-read my post dog.

everybody you listed can sing, except for ciara, who is the person aaliyah is being categorized with.

and on the flipside, the reason why the dream's non-singing ass gets a pass is because he writes & produces. same with nee-yo to a lesser extent.

you basically proved the OP to be correct and you aint e'en know it.

I never claimed Aailyah did all those things to begin with though. I only argued that she wasn't on the same level as Ciara and accomplished way more in her career and could actually sing. I agreed with what old boy even said about the machine behind her image being efficient and her being able to deliver. OP was saying they were basically the same product which they clearly wasn't when you tally up the scores.

 

[Wacky D]

I never claimed Aailyah did all those things to begin with though. I only argued that she wasn't on the same level as Ciara and accomplished way more in her career and could actually sing. I agreed with what old boy even said about the machine behind her image being efficient and her being able to deliver. OP was saying they were basically the same product which they clearly wasn't when you tally up the scores.

and OP is saying that she accomplished more in her career due to having a better team around her. take r.kelly, timbaland and prime missy away, and youre left with.......a non-dancing version of ciara.

and lets be real. aaliyah's vocals were satisfactory on her best day. sure she can sing better than ciara, but anything looks like sugar next to chit.

they were pretty much the same. the difference being aaliyah could sing just good enough, while ciara cant sing at all but can dance & perform her ass off.

 

[Monoblock]

and OP is saying that she accomplished more in her career due to having a better team around her. take r.kelly, timbaland and prime missy away, and youre left with.......a non-dancing version of ciara.

But she did have those things and her discography is greater than Ciara's. These what ifs and hypothetical scenarios of if you took away this, added that, divided this by 2, and carried the 1 logic is ridiculous. Bottom line Aailyah's disco> Ciara and it aint even close.
Aaliyah songwriters> Ciara's,
Aaliyah's producers> Ciara's
Aaliyah movies> Ciara's

Aaliyah as a complete product >>Ciara
No matter how you try to slice it they are not equal on any level.

 

[Malik]

I could spit in your face right now.