Aaliyah = Cieara

[Wacky D]

Aaliyah's legacy is being milked, but she's not being promoted as a ground breaker and trendsetter after death. Those titles were applied to her in the '90's and the early '00's before she died. You could chalk it up to whatever you want to chalk it up to. Let's say Aaliyah was the wackest singer ever backed by Grade A production, it doesn't take away the acclaim that she was given BEFORE she died. When people die, things that were said about them while alive are often echoed. One In A Million was an album that helped change R&B and Urban music. Whether you want to accredit that to the production and writing is all on you. Whether you want to acknowledge that at all is on you.
The world is full of fools then, because there's a lot of people that would disagree with you about her vocals.
In terms of her being a third wheel, she's only a third wheel in terms of sales and chart hits. Monica and Brandy's impact and influence wasn't as big as Aaliyah's.

who the hell considered aaliyah a groundbreaker or even a trendsetter in the '90s? kids that were just then getting their feet wet?

and lol @ aaliyah having more impact & influence than monica & brandy back then. and i dont know why you keep bringing up sales as if thats my argument. you know dam well that im @Wacky D and i dont even get caught up in the sales chit. thats usually youre name. im a cultural impact guy. the way it should be.

please explain how aaliyah was over monica & brandy. monica had the hood, brandy had the mainstream. where does aaliyah fit into the equation? hell, she wasnt even bigger than either of them in the hood or mainstream. she was 3rd fiddle in both. the only lane she had over them was with virgin rap fans that werent really into r&b. basically outsiders.

G's album came three months after Aaliyah's. In the short space between their albums, it's the "One In A Million" song by Aaliyah that's credited with introducing Tim's signature sound to the mainstream.

A lot of people could've sang Aaliyah's songs, but it probably wouldn't have been a perfect fit. For example, "One In A Million" had different lyrics and a different title before they changed it to fit Aaliyah.

Hit records aren't always sampled and a song doesn't necessarily have to be a hit to be sampled. People sample songs because they are inspired by that song and that song impacted them in some type of way.

PONY blew up long before the "one in a million" single dropped. youre rewriting history.

and i didnt even know daryl pearson(from swing mob) did most of ginuwine's album. the general public assumed that timbaland did it. thanks for proving my point. they both ran with the swing mob sound. its the same chit. all timbo did was put a light-hearted twist to it, in order to make it more accessible. but its the same chit.

so in other words, they probabl dumbed down the song to cater to aaliyah. youre proving my point. song wouldve probably been even hotter if somebody else did it.

you got a lot of animosity for aalyiah dawg...were you happy when star played that airplane crash sound bite


and nikka is you on something...702 was never included in my post

dog, your entire post was horrible.

you need to just fall back and read up.

but i apologize if you werent the one that made that 702 comment.

 

[JustCKing]

who the hell considered aaliyah a groundbreaker or even a trendsetter in the '90s? kids that were just then getting their feet wet?

and lol @ aaliyah having more impact & influence than monica & brandy back then. and i dont know why you keep bringing up sales as if thats my argument. you know dam well that im @Wacky D and i dont even get caught up in the sales chit. thats usually youre name. im a cultural impact guy. the way it should be.

please explain how aaliyah was over monica & brandy. monica had the hood, brandy had the mainstream. where does aaliyah fit into the equation? hell, she wasnt even bigger than either of them in the hood or mainstream. she was 3rd fiddle in both. the only lane she had over them was with virgin rap fans that werent really into r&b. basically outsiders.




PONY blew up long before the "one in a million" single dropped. youre rewriting history.

and i didnt even know daryl pearson(from swing mob) did most of ginuwine's album. the general public assumed that timbaland did it. thanks for proving my point. they both ran with the swing mob sound. its the same chit. all timbo did was put a light-hearted twist to it, in order to make it more accessible. but its the same chit.

so in other words, they probabl dumbed down the song to cater to aaliyah. youre proving my point. song wouldve probably been even hotter if somebody else did it.





dog, your entire post was horrible.

you need to just fall back and read up.

but i apologize if you werent the one that made that 702 comment.

Aaliyah was considered a groundbreaker and trend setter in the 90's. "Are You That Somebody" was considered groundbreaking as was "One In A Million" and basically the One In A Million album. Monica and Brandy were huge, but again, Aaliyah stood out because what Monica and Brandy were doing was essentially the same as Mary J. sonically.

"Pony" may have blown up before "One In A Million", but it's still both that are credited with introducing Tim's sound.

The Darryl Pearson version of The Bachelor doesn't exist. It was created around '93 with Timbaland only having produced "Pony" (which was then just an album interlude). When Ginuwine left Da Bassment, he had Timbaland produce the version that was released in 1996 (the one that hit stores) with "Pony" as the lead single.

"One In A Million" wouldn't have been hotter if someone else did it. They could've released the song with Missy's original vocals if that's the case. I think she still has backing vocals on it.

 

[Wacky D]

Aaliyah was considered a groundbreaker and trend setter in the 90's. "Are You That Somebody" was considered groundbreaking as was "One In A Million" and basically the One In A Million album. Monica and Brandy were huge, but again, Aaliyah stood out because what Monica and Brandy were doing was essentially the same as Mary J. sonically.

"Pony" may have blown up before "One In A Million", but it's still both that are credited with introducing Tim's sound.

The Darryl Pearson version of The Bachelor doesn't exist. It was created around '93 with Timbaland only having produced "Pony" (which was then just an album interlude). When Ginuwine left Da Bassment, he had Timbaland produce the version that was released in 1996 (the one that hit stores) with "Pony" as the lead single.

"One In A Million" wouldn't have been hotter if someone else did it. They could've released the song with Missy's original vocals if that's the case. I think she still has backing vocals on it.

lol. okay man. youre just avoiding what im saying so that you can go back and talk in circles.

- you have no leg to stand on when you say she had a bigger impact than monica & brandy because you know its a lie.
- you know dam well that aaliyah was no trendsetter, seeing that youve yet to list one single trend that she set in the '90s.
- you know darn well that she was no groundbreaker. thats why youre steady trying to credit her for beats that she didnt make.
- throughout the thread, youve been avoiding the fact that Pony blew up before "one in a million", and now ur trying to give it co-credit on the slick.

and before you said pearson produced ginuwine's album. but when i noted that most people thought timbaland produced it, you backtracked and said pearson produced the unreleased version. im confused now.

lol @ comparing brandy to MJB sonically. and theres a difference between what monica & MJB brought to the table. they were never compared. lol. youre just throwing chit at the wall.

Sampling Aaliyah wasn't Jay's idea. It was DJ Premier's. So even if he was homies with Aaliyah, it's irrelevant.

No matter how you slice it, Aaliyah was their big break. It doesn't matter whether she didn't write her songs and was no dynamic singer.

Any face that any decent singer and pretty woman could have filled? Nicole Wray had a song that was a Top 5 hit written by Missy and produced by Timbaland. "Make It Hot" is her only hit. Timbaland produced for a stable of talented, beautiful females that never blew up. Virginia Williams was a great singer.

Who knows if Missy would've blown-up? I mean, let's look at Static and his group Playa. They had Timbaland production, but that album didn't catch on like Aaliyahs, Ginuwine's, Missy's, or the Tim & Magoo album. Static was possibly a better writer than Missy.

You can't put Ciara in her position. Even given some of the biggest producers and songwriters, we've already seen what happened.

thanks for proving my point. nicole wray came outta nowhere and didnt even drop an album. i dont even recall a follow-up single until she got down with the roc YEARS later - which was a radio hit, btw.

i dont even know who virginia williams is. did it ever occur to you that she didnt blow up because she wasnt exposed?

naming a couple of under-exposed artists doesnt help your point. its not their fault that their uncle wasnt a powerful guy behind the scenes who owned their record label - like aaliyah.

 

[CrimsonTider]

Nicki is #1?

Without a doubt

 

[Street Knowledge]

Wacky d is right. A lot of the aaliyah Stans I knew at the time and to this day are not real R&B heads. They're hip hop fans who dabble in R&B here and there.

They liked the beats she sung over and her overall image. I have nothig against Aaliyah, she's a legend IMO but the way people talk about her you would assume she's Some 90's icon when she was just a hot artist at the time. It's no differnt from ciara who isn't a 00's icon but a popular artist of that time period

 

[Wacky D]

Wacky d is right. A lot of the aaliyah Stans I knew at the time and to this day are not real R&B heads. They're hip hop fans who dabble in R&B here and there.

They liked the beats she sung over and her overall image. I have nothig against Aaliyah, she's a legend IMO but the way people talk about her you would assume she's Some 90's icon when she was just a hot artist at the time. It's no differnt from ciara who isn't a 00's icon but a popular artist of that time period

THIS SUMS IT UP PERFECTLY.

 

[JustCKing]

lol. okay man. youre just avoiding what im saying so that you can go back and talk in circles.

- you have no leg to stand on when you say she had a bigger impact than monica & brandy because you know its a lie.
- you know dam well that aaliyah was no trendsetter, seeing that youve yet to list one single trend that she set in the '90s.
- you know darn well that she was no groundbreaker. thats why youre steady trying to credit her for beats that she didnt make.
- throughout the thread, youve been avoiding the fact that Pony blew up before "one in a million", and now ur trying to give it co-credit on the slick.

and before you said pearson produced ginuwine's album. but when i noted that most people thought timbaland produced it, you backtracked and said pearson produced the unreleased version. im confused now.

lol @ comparing brandy to MJB sonically. and theres a difference between what monica & MJB brought to the table. they were never compared. lol. youre just throwing chit at the wall.



thanks for proving my point. nicole wray came outta nowhere and didnt even drop an album. i dont even recall a follow-up single until she got down with the roc YEARS later - which was a radio hit, btw.

i dont even know who virginia williams is. did it ever occur to you that she didnt blow up because she wasnt exposed?

naming a couple of under-exposed artists doesnt help your point. its not their fault that their uncle wasnt a powerful guy behind the scenes who owned their record label - like aaliyah.

The fact that you're even bringing up that Aaliyah's music was cool for Hip Hop heads who weren't into R&B is proof of her impact. Are you telling me they couldn't get that from Brandy? Monica? Mary J. Blige? Faith Evans? It was ground breaking because the production Aaliyah was singing over didn't win over Hip Hop audiences by merely featuring rappers or her singing over breaks. It was a sound that straddled the fence between Hip Hop and R&B without confining itself to one or the other. It was also ground breaking because there were sound effects in the music that weren't normally found in songs.

Aaliyah was a trend setter because people then started flocking to Timbaland and Missy for production and writing respectively.

"Pony" came out around the same time as "One In A Million". That single dropped one week before Aaliyah dropped her album.

I never backtracked on the whole Darryl Pearson/Timbaland issue. The Darryl Pearson version of The Bachelor is unreleased. The one that was actually released in stores in 1996 is entirely produced by Timbaland.

Nicole Wray dropped an album that went Gold, a far cry from the success that Aaliyah had with Timbaland. She released the Timbaland produced, Missy penned "Bangin" featuring Prodigy back in 2000 and it did nothing.

As for Virginia Williams:



Maybe Virginia Williams didn't blow because she didn't have exposure? Yet, Nicole Wray comes out of nowhere

 

[JustCKing]

Wacky d is right. A lot of the aaliyah Stans I knew at the time and to this day are not real R&B heads. They're hip hop fans who dabble in R&B here and there.

They liked the beats she sung over and her overall image. I have nothig against Aaliyah, she's a legend IMO but the way people talk about her you would assume she's Some 90's icon when she was just a hot artist at the time. It's no differnt from ciara who isn't a 00's icon but a popular artist of that time period

A hot artist at the time =/= legend. You're pretty much contradicting yourself. Either she was a novelty artist, which is what a hot artist at the moment is or she was a legend which implies that she did something legendary. There's no way she's a novelty because novelty acts don't last as long as Aaliyah. She had a career that lasted seven years. That's hardly a novelty act.

 

[Wacky D]

The fact that you're even bringing up that Aaliyah's music was cool for Hip Hop heads who weren't into R&B is proof of her impact. Are you telling me they couldn't get that from Brandy? Monica? Mary J. Blige? Faith Evans? It was ground breaking because the production Aaliyah was singing over didn't win over Hip Hop audiences by merely featuring rappers or her singing over breaks. It was a sound that straddled the fence between Hip Hop and R&B without confining itself to one or the other. It was also ground breaking because there were sound effects in the music that weren't normally found in songs.

Aaliyah was a trend setter because people then started flocking to Timbaland and Missy for production and writing respectively.

"Pony" came out around the same time as "One In A Million". That single dropped one week before Aaliyah dropped her album.

I never backtracked on the whole Darryl Pearson/Timbaland issue. The Darryl Pearson version of The Bachelor is unreleased. The one that was actually released in stores in 1996 is entirely produced by Timbaland.

Nicole Wray dropped an album that went Gold, a far cry from the success that Aaliyah had with Timbaland. She released the Timbaland produced, Missy penned "Bangin" featuring Prodigy back in 2000 and it did nothing.

As for Virginia Williams:



Maybe Virginia Williams didn't blow because she didn't have exposure? Yet, Nicole Wray comes out of nowhere

cut it out man. you know what i meant. and if you didnt, then i cant help you at this point. im not saying that rap fans that just dabbled into r&b only listened to aaliyah. im just saying that thats the only lane that she was leading in out of those 3 singers. @Street Knowledge broke it down perfectly. and no thats not something to hang your hat on, when the only category youre winning is amongst casuals that dont know much and just like your beats & image.

hold up. we gonna act like aaliyah blew up missy as a writer now? we gonna act like missy wasnt already responsible for bigger hits at the time? man STOP IT. and im not even gonna argue about this timbaland chit anymore. now youre trying to move the goal-posts and say that pony came out right before aaliyah's album. are you related to aaliyah or something?

what was the purpose of you starting the daryl pearson confusion then?

yes, it does take exposure in order for someone to blow up. i never even heard of virginia williams, and all youre doing is posting some obscure link. at least nicole wray was on the radio. and yea, her going gold is impressive actually, seeing that her promotion wasnt any good. as opposed to aalliyah who ive seen get non-stop, over-the-top promotion for a year with only a 1x platinum plaque to show for it.

 

[JustCKing]

cut it out man. you know what i meant. and if you didnt, then i cant help you at this point. im not saying that rap fans that just dabbled into r&b only listened to aaliyah. im just saying that thats the only lane that she was leading in out of those 3 singers. @Street Knowledge broke it down perfectly. and no thats not something to hang your hat on, when the only category youre winning is amongst casuals that dont know much and just like your beats & image.

hold up. we gonna act like aaliyah blew up missy as a writer now? we gonna act like missy wasnt already responsible for bigger hits at the time? man STOP IT. and im not even gonna argue about this timbaland chit anymore. now youre trying to move the goal-posts and say that pony came out right before aaliyah's album. are you related to aaliyah or something?

what was the purpose of you starting the daryl pearson confusion then?

yes, it does take exposure in order for someone to blow up. i never even heard of virginia williams, and all youre doing is posting some obscure link. at least nicole wray was on the radio. and yea, her going gold is impressive actually, seeing that her promotion wasnt any good. as opposed to aalliyah who ive seen get non-stop, over-the-top promotion for a year with only a 1x platinum plaque to show for it.

Her leading in that one lane is what separates her. Her leading in that lane isn't the end-all, be-all to her success, because those weren't her only fans. You're downplaying as usual. A lot of your posts always come with some kind of backhanded statement.

Missy's big break as a writer was Aaliyah. Missy will tell you that, but I'm quite sure you'd tell Missy that she doesn't know her own career.

In regard to "Pony" and One In A Million, Amazon has "Pony" listed with 8/20/1996 release date. Aaliyah's One In A Million dropped 8/27/1996.

I didn't start any confusion. You were confused because you simply misread what I posted.

If it takes exposure to blow up, why are you saying Nicole Wray came out of nowhere. I know you never heard of Virginia Williams. Why do you think I posted the link? I mentioned Virginia because she's a better vocalist who had Timbaland producing and Missy writing. You claimed anyone would've blown with that combo. She didn't.

Nicole Wray had a single that went to #5 on the Hot 100 in the 90's. She had good promo. She had a follow-up single that went nowhere in the Fall of '98.

Aaliyah had two double platinum albums before she died. You're bringing up sales, yet you said you're a culture guy.

 

[rantanamo]

Wacky d is right. A lot of the aaliyah Stans I knew at the time and to this day are not real R&B heads. They're hip hop fans who dabble in R&B here and there.

They liked the beats she sung over and her overall image. I have nothig against Aaliyah, she's a legend IMO but the way people talk about her you would assume she's Some 90's icon when she was just a hot artist at the time. It's no differnt from ciara who isn't a 00's icon but a popular artist of that time period

LOL, Ciara? Ciara has never had the musical success nor that Icon status Aaliyah had as far as her style. I don't know how this comparison came about. You could argue Brandy as a similar cohort with a similar career track at the same time, or Beyonce as a similar comparison that actually got to live her life and see it through, but Ciara? Stop this comedy.

 

[JayGatsby]

Aaliyah by a mile.....

//

ciara is yet to have a better video than rock the boat....

plus she has no personality,hence why her music wont last,

body party was great tho

 

[Maddmike]

Aaliyah by a mile.....

//

ciara is yet to have a better video than rock the boat....

plus she has no personality,hence why her music wont last,

body party was great tho

Promise and she DIDNT die, thats why her music wont last.....I fixed it for you thank me later

 

[Lord Beasley]

Ciara has a number 1 hit on billboard... Aaliyah doesn't. Ciara in 04-06 was probably just as popular as Aaliyah in her peak. Nikkas stay being delusional when it comes to Aaliyah, she wasn't even the most popular female RnB singer when she was alive, Brandy, Monica and Destiny's Child were all more popular than Aaliyah. She probably was a nice person and its terrible she died so young but let's not rewrite history here brehs

its always fake against-the-grain-ass-niccas who throw shade

lets be reality, yeah ciara had a no.1 but she had no type of longevity whatsoever. she was hot in a 2 year span 2 years flies by real fast in the music industry, breh.

aaliyah was bout getting hollywood bread too, 2 feature films and was gonna take off. Brandy wasnt (dont come @ me with that Moesha BS. heaux like miley and selena gomez got shows, aint no thang), monica wasnt, half of DC wasn't even relevant during their run.

 

[Big Mel]

Reading through this thread I just had a really bugged epiphany. @Wacky D is clearly a lesbian. Lol. Yo!!! Lololololol. The shyt all makes sense now.