A Wiseman Told Me Never Argue With Fools: Official 2021 Warriors Season Thread

[LuckyLibra619]

We drafting wiseman

just got off the phone with Bob, he confirmed

With the 2nd Pick the Golden State Warriors select...DENI AVDIJA
Wiseman in cut looking like


Nah on the real tho I think the FO is outsmarting themselves. All I keep seeing is comments about Wiseman being "Unproven" but can't you make that argument for every single rookie? Every rookie is unproven until they get to the league and start puttin in work

All that talk bout traditional bigs goin out of style is cool until the other team is destroying you on the boards and in the paint. That's when shyt gets real

 

[Don Homer]

With the 2nd Pick the Golden State Warriors select...DENI AVDIJA
Wiseman in cut looking like


Nah on the real tho I think the FO is outsmarting themselves. All I keep seeing is comments about Wiseman being "Unproven" but can't you make that argument for every single rookie? Every rookie is unproven until they get to the league and start puttin in work

All that talk bout traditional bigs goin out of style is cool until the other team is destroying you on the boards and in the paint. That's when shyt gets real

Dude has the potential to be the new kind of big.

Teach breh to defend the PnR and be able to be decent on the perimeter

I’d rather that than take Embiid who will only give us 51 games and come into camp outta shape

 

[Mr. Brown]

Heat fan, but I’ve always liked the Warriors. What is the thought behind passing on Wiseman? Granted I didn’t watch much college, but everything I’ve seen and read seems like he’d be a great fit


Draft Wiseman, sign someone like Augustin or Matthews for a veteran off the bench and if needed move someone like Looney or Chriss another wing guy.

If Klay is his normal self that’s enough to compete for a championship. I think Wiggins will have a good year and thrive as a 3rd option

 

[Don Homer]

Heat fan, but I’ve always liked the Warriors. What is the thought behind passing on Wiseman? Granted I didn’t watch much college, but everything I’ve seen and read seems like he’d be a great fit

Overthinking. That’s pretty much it.

We need athleticism and size and we have the best player in the draft who can fill both those roles, as well as give us rim protection (haven’t had it since Bogut), but we are thinking about taking Deni Avdija

 

[Don Homer]

Heat fan, but I’ve always liked the Warriors. What is the thought behind passing on Wiseman? Granted I didn’t watch much college, but everything I’ve seen and read seems like he’d be a great fit


Draft Wiseman, sign someone like Augustin or Matthews for a veteran off the bench and if needed move someone like Looney or Chriss another wing guy.

If Klay is his normal self that’s enough to compete for a championship. I think Wiggins will have a good year and thrive as a 3rd option

klay more or less will be himself on offense

it's the defense that will change most likely (if we do see a change)

luckily for us, itll be 19 months at least since the injury. so his defense might be fine as well

and yes, wiggins will be fine. we just need defense from him. The scoring will come

 

[G.O.A.T Squad Spokesman]

Heat fan, but I’ve always liked the Warriors. What is the thought behind passing on Wiseman? Granted I didn’t watch much college, but everything I’ve seen and read seems like he’d be a great fit


Draft Wiseman, sign someone like Augustin or Matthews for a veteran off the bench and if needed move someone like Looney or Chriss another wing guy.

If Klay is his normal self that’s enough to compete for a championship. I think Wiggins will have a good year and thrive as a 3rd option

I agree with you. I have no reason not to draft Wiseman.

 

[FaTaL]

Heat fan, but I’ve always liked the Warriors. What is the thought behind passing on Wiseman? Granted I didn’t watch much college, but everything I’ve seen and read seems like he’d be a great fit


Draft Wiseman, sign someone like Augustin or Matthews for a veteran off the bench and if needed move someone like Looney or Chriss another wing guy.

If Klay is his normal self that’s enough to compete for a championship. I think Wiggins will have a good year and thrive as a 3rd option

I’m just hoping there trolling, they have to know they have no big men signed beyond next season.

 

[Don Homer]

more wiseman videos

Bob promised me wiseman so its a done deal

 

[Don Homer]

EDIT: THEY DID NOT. I CANT READ. FALSE ALARM

 

[CSquare43]

Saw this on reddit, its an interesting take that I hadn't considered...

If you're not truly elite as a center, you're fairly replaceable. And you're wasting a 2nd pick on a replaceable big body that you can pick up off the vet heap for cheap, and with better defensive experience is a bad use of assets.

Salary cap isn't infinite, if you overspend on an average center, then you limit flexibility elsewhere.

And look at that list of elite centers again. Almost all of them are not the main piece, and if they are the team's top player, that team hasn't really gone anywhere.

- AD = all first round flameouts in NO
- Jokic = may be exception but excelled after Murray showed up. Also liability on defense.
- Gobert = defensive anchor but has been played off floor in playoffs (and this is dpoy), and needs Donovan
- Bam = Butler is the clear leader
- Embiid = swept in first round

I still want Wiseman if we keep the pick, but thats a solid point. That said, he wouldn't be expected to be our best player for a long time, just a complimentary piece.

 

[G.O.A.T Squad Spokesman]

Saw this on reddit, its an interesting take that I hadn't considered...






I still want Wiseman if we keep the pick, but thats a solid point. That said, he wouldn't be expected to be our best player for a long time, just a complimentary piece.

Can't see anyone in this draft being our best player anytime soon. Gobert wouldn't even be our best player now. This isn't that type of draft...maybe our Minny pick will get us that but as of now get that franchise center we've never had in my lifetime

 

[Don Homer]

EDIT: the GSW YouTube channel has 4 quarters of scrimmage footage!!

 

[FaTaL]

I would say Poole will be the x-factor coming off the bench next year if he can continue to improve his 3

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

If you're not truly elite as a center, you're fairly replaceable. And you're wasting a 2nd pick on a replaceable big body that you can pick up off the vet heap for cheap, and with better defensive experience is a bad use of assets.

Saw this on reddit, its an interesting take that I hadn't considered...






I still want Wiseman if we keep the pick, but thats a solid point. That said, he wouldn't be expected to be our best player for a long time, just a complimentary piece.

My mans, this is EXACTLY what I've been saying all throughout this discussion, re: Wiseman. Almost word-for-word.

I keep trying to reiterate this, and cats keep trying to talk me down. Not just in this thread either, but I've been saying the same damn thing for the last half-a-decade.

The game has changed; the big man isn't as impactful and important as he once was. We've reached a positionless state where post-play has become near obsolete, and PnR is the league's diet, which means traditional big men simply don't have the stage to dominate like they once did. It's why versatility is being prioritized by every team - it's all about shooting and defending the 3.

The above is the post-up volume of the top-15 teams this past season.

Except for Philly (whose post-ups only constitute 11% of their total possessions), every single team in the league's post-ups are less than 8% of their total possessions. Let me repeat that: 29 out of 30 teams run post-ups less than 8% of the time; and then you take the Warriors whose post-up volume barely hits 4%. That percentage is not going to drastically change by drafting a raw 19-year-old who hasn't shown any great ability to score in the post. The Warriors offense is going function the same as it's always done under Kerr, where big men will be used as rim-rollers and/or to space the floor (which again, is basically the same for nearly every team).

And as I said earlier, rim-rollers are a dime a dozen, which is what the expectation and likely role of Wiseman will be in his first few seasons. And not only that, but it's going to take him a few seasons to figure out shyt on the defensive end too.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

@CSquare43

Re: Big men in today's league:

Joel's impact is limited because he can't run the offense; his impact is limited to when the ball-handlers give him the ball, so when he's not getting the ball he's having little-to-no impact on that end. Especially since he doesn't stretch the floor without the ball either. The more times touching the rock = the more you can influence the offense. Steph's the next evolution of this, but that's a conversation for another day.

It's why bigs like AD, Boogie, LMA and Embiid haven't lead their respective teams to top seedings nor had notable success in the postseason. There's only one big who runs contrary to that rule - Jokic.

I'll let you work out why.



And it's not like the big men we have in today's league aren't great players in their own respect, it's just they're playing in a climate which isn't conducive to them leading a winning-team. You put Embiid back in the 80s/90s, where post-play was the staple of offenses, and the three-ball wasn't in rotation like it is now, and he'd be leading his team on deep playoff runs. He'd be revered as a far greater player than he is now. He's just simply a casualty of the era he's playing in.