A white boys life with drugs and why the system doesn't work

[LunaticVillage415]

Of course people may disagree with him thinking that drug laws are more of class issue than a race issue (though he agrees that they are both and thus simply disagrees on what is more than the other) but that's simply his opinion which he put up for debate. I understand his opinion (not necessarily agree with it regarding the American context) because it is a trend that can be seen worldwide which is that the "war on drugs" have targeted the poor at an unprecedented rate and that regardless of one's complexion. We could talk about Central America (Honduras, Salvador, Mexico), we could talk about Italy (or more specifically Napoli), Russia or other eastern European countries and he could have a point about drug law being related to class. We could also expand on how, worldwide, crime rate is relative to poverty/unemployment/lack of education regardless the type of crime and that is for centuries thus far. So that's why I can understand his opinion.

The experience in the USA may be different indeed but that doesn't make his point entirely invalid if we think about it from a worldwide perspective.


That's not OP's point. His point is that the system doesn't work (aka doesn't rehabilitate) when it comes to the poor and that is, no matter your complexion. And he cited his example to back up his point and how in Florida he's a lifetime felon with permanently reduced rights. He never said that Black people wasn't over-represented in the prison system and he even agreed with what you just said here. He even stated that his deal was lenient and that had he been Black he may not have had that opportunity. So I don't see him negating any White privilege in his experience.


Did you stop reading his posts after that sentence ? If so, you may want to read the rest of his posts where he kinda corrected his point on that matter stating that in his opinion, drug laws are more classist than racist (then agreeing that they are both).

You are obviously a whiteboy. Too much hard facts have been displayed to show that the system does target black men.

Of course people may disagree with him thinking that drug laws are more of class issue than a race issue (though he agrees that they are both and thus simply disagrees on what is more than the other) but that's simply his opinion which he put up for debate. I understand his opinion (not necessarily agree with it regarding the American context) because it is a trend that can be seen worldwide which is that the "war on drugs" have targeted the poor at an unprecedented rate and that regardless of one's complexion. We could talk about Central America (Honduras, Salvador, Mexico), we could talk about Italy (or more specifically Napoli), Russia or other eastern European countries and he could have a point about drug law being related to class. We could also expand on how, worldwide, crime rate is relative to poverty/unemployment/lack of education regardless the type of crime and that is for centuries thus far. So that's why I can understand his opinion.

The experience in the USA may be different indeed but that doesn't make his point entirely invalid if we think about it from a worldwide perspective.


That's not OP's point. His point is that the system doesn't work (aka doesn't rehabilitate) when it comes to the poor and that is, no matter your complexion. And he cited his example to back up his point and how in Florida he's a lifetime felon with permanently reduced rights. He never said that Black people wasn't over-represented in the prison system and he even agreed with what you just said here. He even stated that his deal was lenient and that had he been Black he may not have had that opportunity. So I don't see him negating any White privilege in his experience.


Did you stop reading his posts after that sentence ? If so, you may want to read the rest of his posts where he kinda corrected his point on that matter stating that in his opinion, drug laws are more classist than racist (then agreeing that they are both).

What the fukk is the OP's point then? You do the crime, you do the time, stupid. I never sold drugs a day in my life and guess what? I'm not a convicted felon and I've never been in jail a day in my life. This peckerwood who started the thread dug his own ditch and he still is benefitting from white privilege to this day. He said he has a corporate job lined up. If he was a nikka with tattoos everywhere he'd be lucky to find a job at Home Depot. I'm not trying to hear that the system is fukked up coming from another stereotypical whiteboy who's freebased kittyitter. fukk outta here.

 

[Mr. Pink]

How did I miss this thread?

You are obviously a whiteboy. Too much hard facts have been displayed to show that the system does target black men.


What the fukk is the OP's point then? You do the crime, you do the time, stupid. I never sold drugs a day in my life and guess what? I'm not a convicted felon and I've never been in jail a day in my life. This peckerwood who started the thread dug his own ditch and he still is benefitting from white privilege to this day. He said he has a corporate job lined up. If he was a nikka with tattoos everywhere he'd be lucky to find a job at Home Depot. I'm not trying to hear that the system is fukked up coming from another stereotypical whiteboy who's freebased kittyitter. fukk outta here.

Agreed

First I'm writing this cause a few members said I should and also I can talk about the real life consequences of drug use and our laws around them from a first person point of view. Hopefully this might help somebody going through similar circumstances to know they aren't alone.


I'm a 27 year old white male who was born and lived in Gainesville, FL most of my life. I had a good childhood so I'll just skip to when I started using drugs. I first smoked weed when I was 12, had hippie parents so it was easy to get. My serious use began at 14. My father was dying (he had diabetic neuropathy and heart problems) at the end of the month he'd throw away his oxycontin and actiq(fentanyl lollipops) that were left over, so I started using them heavily. As soon as older people found out I had them I got into selling cause they'd trade me cocaine for them. So now I'm using coke and OCs at 14-15 on a daily basis. Once I got up to 7 gram a day habit, I went to the hood and got somebody to show me how to cook. Didn't take but a week to have a serious crack addiction. About 6 months later I started IVing pills. About a week after that I had my first overdose. My habit reached about 1,000$ a day so from 16-18 I was writing bad prescriptions to feed my addiction. On June 15th 2005 I got a call from my mother telling me my father had passed, I was so high I just said cool and hung up the phone (something that makes me cry when I think about it to this day)

Fast forward to my 18th birthday when the feds and state police raided my house and I caught 62 felony counts related to script fraud.
This is when I really stared dealing to pay for legal bills and cause they seized my car etc. My hustle was to buy a few thousand blues (30mg oxys) in plantation,FL and bring up to Atlanta to get cheap coke and meth. It didn't take long until I got shot in a bad deal in the ATL over 30,000$. Instead of slowing down I doubled down now running up to Philly and NYC to get heroin to sell in FL. This whole time I was still addicted to speed balling but my habit was about 500$ a day. Then I had to go to prison so fast forward 18months. Met some connects that put me in with ppl I could never dreamed of meeting. Within a week of getting out I was making 2+3,000 a day selling but I was still smoking crack and shooting heroin so that money evaporated as soon as itSecondly unfortunately. Then I learned crack is something you want, heroin you need so I finally stopped smoking cocaine at around 22 years old. A few years later I stopped shooting up, although I snort heroin and opiates to this day. After all that I have 15,000 plus an IRA and shyt to show for a decade of destroying my life. Not worth it.

My point in writing this is three fold. The first is drug laws are classist not racist, my civil rights were taken away from me at 18 and I am I lifetime felon. So even white ppl (if poor) deal with disenfranchisement on many fronts.
Secondly for all of the damage I did to myself isn't even comparable to the damage the state has done to me by marking me with a permanent Scarlet letter.
The last thing is that blacks and whites have to come together to change these laws. On here everyone talks about how CACs don't know shyt, are bytches etc when more whites than you know have gone through similar situations and to write that off is writing off potential ally's.

Last thing I wrote this to have a serious discourse on drug laws and how they've(if they've) effected other members on here and to head their stories and their opinions on how to stop this system.

Thank god I was able to stop the craziness but not everyone can, drug use doesn't define ppl its just a part of what they do.

My rant is over. Of anyone wants to ask me a specific question I'll be 100% honest. Didn't want to write a life story just a summary of my life and how drugs have played a big part in it.


P.S all the crimes I talked about were either adjudicated or the statute of limitations has passed.

Nowhere in this post or the entire thread is there mention of the damage you did to society, or about taking responsibility for your actions like a man. It's all about the damage done to you, the unfairness of the state etc.. Yeah, you're the victim here.

I agree that the drug laws should be changed. They should be made even more severe, so shytstains like you wouldn't slip through the cracks and rejoin normal society, because you're not worthy of it.

To have the single most impactful thing in my life happen when I was 18 and to still be judged by it is the height of unfairness.

Why? It's perfectly fair. Normal poor 18 year olds struggle and fight and soul crushing jobs to get ahead and hopefully better their station in life. You wanted the fast money to support your personal weakness and didn't give a fukk who suffered for it. And still you whine about the "damage" done to you and the "unfairness".

You fit the profile of a clinical psychopath, a cancer, a parasite, and you're a disgrace to your parents. You're less than a full human being. You deserve nothing but contempt.

 

[LunaticVillage415]

How did I miss this thread?

Agreed

Nowhere in this post or the entire thread is there mention of the damage you did to society, or about taking responsibility for your actions like a man. It's all about the damage done to you, the unfairness of the state etc.. Yeah, you're the victim here.

I agree that the drug laws should be changed. They should be made even more severe, so shytstains like you wouldn't slip through the cracks and rejoin normal society, because you're not worthy of it.

Why? It's perfectly fair. Normal poor 18 year olds struggle and fight and soul crushing jobs to get ahead and hopefully better their station in life. You wanted the fast money to support your personal weakness and didn't give a fukk who suffered for it. And still you whine about the "damage" done to you and the "unfairness".

You fit the profile of a clinical psychopath, a cancer, a parasite, and you're a disgrace to your parents. You're less than a full human being. You deserve nothing but contempt.

This whiteboy has the nerve to complain when he is still benefiting from white privilege to this day. I sincerely doubt that this whiteboy is really from the hood. If you are around black folks your whole life as a token, you are aware of your fukking privilege if you are white. Token whiteboys around nothing but nikkas are treated differently by the cops. The cops will pull the token whiteboy aside and tell him he has a bright future while he locks up all of his black homies and calls them nikkas.

What makes my stomach turn about this story is that it is another example of white people thrill seeking by doing dangerous extreme dumb shyt. Talking about he had a $1000 a day drug habit. That is some extravagant cracker shyt. Even regular white people do drugs like fukking rockstars. Black people and other minorities don't fukk with death like that because being black is dangerous enough as it is. White people are so bored and protected by Amerikkkan society that they do every drug under the sun. White people and their relationship with drugs is hilarious. This cracker who started the thread is just another example of a privileged whiteboy living on easy street. He's a convicted felon who's injected battery acid and garbage water into his veins and he is still much more successful than the average man of color. I wouldn't doubt that most white men who make over six figures have been or are serious drug addicts. Being a drug addict in white culture is seen as sociable. I'm an alcoholic, but white people know I'm not on their level when it comes to substance abuse. White people know I never done coke, dope, acid, pills etc. just by looking at me because I'm not a cracker.

And the system benefits white people. Now that white people are the primary users of heroin, the movement in the justice system is rehab over jail. And rehab rarely works. Most people in rehab have been there over five times. Now that white people are on dope, cops carry around Narcan.

 

[ZEB WALTON]

This whiteboy has the nerve to complain when he is still benefiting from white privilege to this day. I sincerely doubt that this whiteboy is really from the hood. If you are around black folks your whole life as a token, you are aware of your fukking privilege if you are white. Token whiteboys around nothing but nikkas are treated differently by the cops. The cops will pull the token whiteboy aside and tell him he has a bright future while he locks up all of his black homies and calls them nikkas.

What makes my stomach turn about this story is that it is another example of white people thrill seeking by doing dangerous extreme dumb shyt. Talking about he had a $1000 a day drug habit. That is some extravagant cracker shyt. Even regular white people do drugs like fukking rockstars. Black people and other minorities don't fukk with death like that because being black is dangerous enough as it is. White people are so bored and protected by Amerikkkan society that they do every drug under the sun. White people and their relationship with drugs is hilarious. This cracker who started the thread is just another example of a privileged whiteboy living on easy street. He's a convicted felon who's injected battery acid and garbage water into his veins and he is still much more successful than the average man of color. I wouldn't doubt that most white men who make over six figures have been or are serious drug addicts. Being a drug addict in white culture is seen as sociable. I'm an alcoholic, but white people know I'm not on their level when it comes to substance abuse. White people know I never done coke, dope, acid, pills etc. just by looking at me because I'm not a cracker.

And the system benefits white people. Now that white people are the primary users of heroin, the movement in the justice system is rehab over jail. And rehab rarely works. Most people in rehab have been there over five times. Now that white people are on dope, cops carry around Narcan.

damn breh. i can feel the hate through the computer screen. snort a bag of diddy and chill out. jeeez

 

[ZEB WALTON]

Congratulations, what are the conditions though?

non reporting probation for a year. i guess a few drug tests so no more smoking pot for now. just hope i can stay outta trouble for a year

 

[CHL]

To the angry posters on this page, I thinks you're directing your contempt and anger at the wrong person. I must be missing the posts where OP is significantly disagreeing with you. Same with Liu Kang. When did he ever dispute the fact that AA's are vastly more disproportionally targeted? I didn't see it.


The system can be clearly racist and also somewhat classist. It's not mutually exclusive.

 

[LunaticVillage415]

To the angry posters on this page, I thinks you're directing your contempt and anger at the wrong person. I must be missing the posts where OP is significantly disagreeing with you. Same with Liu Kang. When did he ever dispute the fact that AA's are vastly more disproportionally targeted? I didn't see it.


The system can be clearly racist and also somewhat classist. It's not mutually exclusive.

The issue is that the original post is inflammatory. The OP is acting like a victim when nobody made him do drugs. He's complaining that his whole life was ruined because he was imprisoned at age 18 despite the fact that he is successful. A large degree of that success can be attributed to white privilege.

The black experience with drugs in the city is a world away from the OP's experience. The OP is just another stereotypical whiteboy who walked the path that millions of suburban whiteboys have tread for decades. I don't think many black people from the hood imprisoned over drug charges would want to be "allies" with someone like him. Black dudes from the hood are more likely to rape him in prison than align themselves with him to be honest. Drugs like heroin and crack are placed in the inner city as a form of population control. White people from the 'burbs go out of their way to find out what dope feels like and try to understand what the ghetto is about as older teenagers and 20 somethings because fukking with death is a national pastime for white people.

 

[ZEB WALTON]

The issue is that the original post is inflammatory. The OP is acting like a victim when nobody made him do drugs. He's complaining that his whole life was ruined because he was imprisoned at age 18 despite the fact that he is successful. A large degree of that success can be attributed to white privilege.

The black experience with drugs in the city is a world away from the OP's experience. The OP is just another stereotypical whiteboy who walked the path that millions of suburban whiteboys have tread for decades. I don't think many black people from the hood imprisoned over drug charges would want to be "allies" with someone like him. Black dudes from the hood are more likely to rape him in prison than align themselves with him to be honest. Drugs like heroin and crack are placed in the inner city as a form of population control. White people from the 'burbs go out of their way to find out what dope feels like and try to understand what the ghetto is about as older teenagers and 20 somethings because fukking with death is a national pastime for white people.

Bro whats wrong with you. White people goto the ghetto to cop drugs cause THATS WHERE THEY WERE. EXCEPT THEY IN THE BURBS NOW TOO. White junkies in jersey cop dope for the same reason black junkies in jersey cop dope... To get high. Cause they like the feeling. You talk as if their are no black junkies. Whats baltimore about then breh?

People get turned on thru doctors and find ways to recreate the same feeling witout a script. Most white guys dont give a fukk about being down with the ghetto so idk where your getting all that from. I know white guys who rob dope boys on the regular, aint noone tryjng to be "down". Youre talking in stereotypes. I know atleast 30 white dope heads. 15 black dope heads. 15 spanishdope heads. Heroin isnt race exclusive and all 60 of those people could give a fukk about being down with ghetto dope dealers. Infact, I see a lot of racism START here.

and if anything, the black dealers WANT the white people aroind. All smiling in their face, "Whatchu need my brother" cheesing like idiots. Your talking allie sinprison? isnt prison race based anyway?

idk why ya so mad about all this, i can tell you have somewhat of an experience in these issues but I cant agree with everything your saying at all. talking like heroin is a white thing. ITS NOT. People get high cause... THEY LIKE TO GET HIGH. I know PLENTY of black and spanish dope fiends. White people dont have to goto the ghetto no more, the ghetto has come to the burbs and everyone is coexisting fine.

 

[Gravity]

Racism is a subset of classism in the context of drug laws. There are more poor ppl than black ppl in America.
I'm was a poor white kid who was arrested on my 18th bday, where was my white privilege? I got fukked just like alot of minorities cause I'm poor.

Why would I lie about anything when I wrote one of the realest posts I've seen on here even though I knew I'd get clowned.

You may not be lying about your personal life experiences but you're full of shyt with agenda that you're pushing. Drug laws are racist because they're used to target blacks in this country. You being a white boy who's been arrested for drugs doesn't discount that despite the fact that blacks and whites use/sell illegal drugs at the same rate, blacks are damn near 10x more likely to be arrested and sentenced for drug offenses. Where's your white privilege? It comes in the form of you as a white felon being more likely to be hired than a black non felon with your same qualifications.

 

[EndDomination]

@toomanydoses Is right for the most part, but in countries with a heterogeneous population like the United States, England, Canada and Brasil, drug laws will be more race-based than class-based.
In a homogeneous population, drug laws will be more class-based.
Also, every ITT seems to be discouting prison's dual-tiered "mission" of sorts: as both punishment and as rehabilitation.
I think the system's treatment of non-violent criminals, especially in relation to marijuana related crimes, is poor, but I don't have sympathy for violent criminals (who's crime was not in defense).
Good subject OP

 

[newarkhiphop]

Can you expand more on the people you met?

 

[toomanydoses]

What do you wanna know?

Can you expand more on the people you met?

 

[newarkhiphop]

What do you wanna know?

You said

Met some connects that put me in with ppl I could never dreamed of meeting.

Like who?

 

[Gallo]

You said




Like who?

Nothing to see here, officer.

 

[newarkhiphop]

Nothing to see here, officer.