dennis roadman
nuclear war in my bag
yepTHEY PROLLY SAW THE DOOM
HOLY shyt THEY PROLLY CAUSED IT
I'm very worried this show will be very entertaining but not be as conclusive as it needs to be to finish as GOAT tier tv
A Song of Ice & Fire by George R.R. Martin: Book Discussion Thread
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I'm very worried this show will be very entertaining but not be as conclusive as it needs to be to finish as GOAT tier tv
Adam3000
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I know it was me, I was just playing dumb
This doesn't necessarily change anything for me though. I already knew the First Men were chopping down Weirwoods and killing COTF when they first came over. But the pact was eventually sealed and the First Men adopted the Old Gods
I better not find out that the pact is a lie though
Is our Bran actually Bran the Builder? He went back with the CoTF to build the Wall in the first place? 
dennis roadman
nuclear war in my bag
That means he built storm's end tooIs our Bran actually Bran the Builder? He went back with the CoTF to build the Wall in the first place?
they won't touch that in the show because SE doesn't mean shyt there but in the books that would mean bran has been deep in supernatural fukkery since the beginning of time
For the entire series, I was confident that Jon would be the one to save Westeros. But this episode has me questioning every thing that I've thought about every thing. I feel like Melisandre at the end of the first episode this season 
dennis roadman
nuclear war in my bag
I think this is really gonna happen too
at least this seasonWe're not gonna see anymore Jon reveals this year
dennis roadman
nuclear war in my bag
For the entire series, I was confident that Jon would be the one to save Westeros. But this episode has me questioning every thing that I've thought about every thing. I feel like Melisandre at the end of the first episode this season
exactly how I feelSo many theories going 800 different directions right now
MalikX
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Makes sense tho
Brand and BloodRaven cause the DOOM to try to force Valyria and their dragons/steel to Westeros to protect the realm from the WW's
Targaryens eventually die off, along with all of their dragons and steel and now the WW's ready to come back
They gonna do SOMETHIN to push Dany to come...
I don't know about that.....they'd be committing genocide killing off a million Valyrians
I think they knew the Doom was going to happen and had no part in it and they could have warned ONE FAMILY (Targaryens) to come to Westeros. Which makes sense. Because at the time, Valyrians thought the Targaryens were crazy/stupid for having an island in Westeros. So it would line up with that Targaryen ancestor having visions to leave.
Adam3000
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For the entire series, I was confident that Jon would be the one to save Westeros. But this episode has me questioning every thing that I've thought about every thing. I feel like Melisandre at the end of the first episode this season
Bruh....but what if Bran is responsible for bringing Rheagar and Lyanna together to birth Jon because Jon IS the one to save Westeros. Bran could be connected to the Knight of the Laughing Tree story somehow
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T-K-G
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Only reason i say they may have caused it is cuz nobody knows wtf happened that day still, shyt just got real and the entire place went up in smokeI don't know about that.....they'd be committing genocide killing off a million Valyrians
I think they knew the Doom was going to happen and had no part in it and they could have warned ONE FAMILY (Targaryens) to come to Westeros. Which makes sense. Because at the time, Valyrians thought the Targaryens were crazy/stupid for having an island in Westeros. So it would line up with that Targaryen ancestor having visions to leave.
T-K-G
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I mean to me Jon/Dany were always gonna be the "physical" heroes that everyone could actually see in person while Bran was gonna be waaaay off in the outskirts really pulling the stringsFor the entire series, I was confident that Jon would be the one to save Westeros. But this episode has me questioning every thing that I've thought about every thing. I feel like Melisandre at the end of the first episode this season
MalikX
Superstar
Only reason i say they may have caused it is cuz nobody knows wtf happened that day still, shyt just got real and the entire place went up in smoke
It's implied the Faceless men from Braavos did it
The Valyrians practiced slavery. There was nowhere to escape them because they controlled Valyria and the entire Western half of Essos (Volantis, Myr, Tyrosh, Lys, Andalos, Meereen, etc). But some slaves got out anyway and escaped. The Valyrian Freehold knew they were going to a city called Braavos but, no one could find Braavos' location. It's implied the Faceless Men of Braavos caused the Doom through magic to destroy the Valyrian Freehold once and for all.
I prefer that myth. I just can't see Bran being down with genocide, causing a cataclysmic event that killed millions of Valyrians. It strays too close to the "For The Greater Good" mindset for me
See, I thought that too but Bran will be the reason the Wall collapses so he's definitely going to be south of the Wall. If he's south of the Wall, there's no reason that he's not at Winterfell. I think we'll see Bran return to Winterfell once Jon gets rid of the Boltons. I wouldn't be surprised to see all of the Stark children reunited in Winterfell once the Boltons are ousted. We know Sansa & Rickon will be there in the show. I'm pretty sure Arya will be the one to tie up the loose ends in King's Landing both on the show & in the books. The Lannisters will be killed off, probably. I have no idea how the Martels/Tyrells fit into anything going on in the North. The book has the sand snakes strategically placed everywhere. I'm so confused on how this will end now. I thought I knew, but I have no idea