A Song of Ice & Fire by George R.R. Martin: Book Discussion Thread

[storyteller]

Great episode, especially compared to the shyt show Episode 1 was. Nitpicking:

1)Why is Davos riding so hard for Jon?

I think Davos is pragmatic and knows that the Walkers are the biggest threat to the realm (he's the one who brought the letter to Stannis in the first place). So with Stannis gone, the mission remains to stop the walkers and the best/only bet to defend against them is Jon Snow.

2)How quickly did Davos get over Stannis death, the loss at Winterfell and the sacrifice leading to it?

Can't wait for next Sunday.

I think you answer the first part with the last part. Davos knows Stannis lost his way because of the sacrifice of Shireen. I think that frustration coupled with the fact that he really hasn't had time to mourn since everything happened so quickly is the reason he's seemed alright. I'm interested to see his interaction with Brienne if they meet though, that'll be interesting.

 

[Saiyajin]

 

[fact]

Great episode, especially compared to the shyt show Episode 1 was. Nitpicking:

1)Why is Davos riding so hard for Jon?
2)How quickly did Davos get over Stannis death, the loss at Winterfell and the sacrifice leading to it?

Can't wait for next Sunday.

He still out here for #Stannisset, dawg. The north ain't the only folk that remember, breh

 

[yeahisaidit]

It makes sense for Roose to be killed by Ramsey. He's the only one that's able to get close enough. I'm sure book Roose would sense something going on and put up an actual fight, but it won't matter. House Bolton will be extinguished when it's all over.

 

[dennis roadman]

He still out here for #Stannisset, dawg. The north ain't the only folk that remember, breh

Stop this breh

Any time you need to talk, I'm here for you

 

[dennis roadman]

There's a response to most of that but I'm too lazy to write it since I can't quote the text and I'm on my phone

The burning of Stannis' camp is a good point though, that whole march on winterell was so sloppy, especially because it's done so well in the books

 

[beanz]

Brehs so since we gonna most likely see that r + L = j on Sunday, I guess the only question that remains is how will this be communicated to Jon in the show?

I think it's gonna go from bloodraven to bran to Mel to davos. Davos the only person I can see who would find this out and almost instantly know the ramifications. "you're Jon targaryen! That means u are the rightful king of the 7 kingdoms!"

... at least that's my hope

Now will Jon accept this responsibility? Maybe not. Probably won't even survive. But I do think at least in the show he will find out he's a king and a targaryen.

 

[Arianne Martell]

Brehs so since we gonna most likely see that r + L = j on Sunday, I guess the only question that remains is how will this be communicated to Jon in the show?

I think it's gonna go from bloodraven to bran to Mel to davos. Davos the only person I can see who would find this out and almost instantly know the ramifications. "you're Jon targaryen! That means u are the rightful king of the 7 kingdoms!"

... at least that's my hope

Now will Jon accept this responsibility? Maybe not. Probably won't even survive. But I do think at least in the show he will find out he's a king and a targaryen.

I'm still on the fence about Jon being a T...its too easy, and he doesn't look like one.

 

[KatieGotAzzHairs]

I'm still on the fence about Jon being a T...its too easy, and he doesn't look like one.

I wish I wasn't so lazy but I think in The World of Ice and Fire book we see that sometimes people with parents who aren't both Targs can wind up looking like the non-Targ parent. I think Rhagear's daughter Rhaenys had her mother's black hair instance.

 

[Scottie Drippin]

I'm still on the fence about Jon being a T...its too easy, and he doesn't look like one.

It really isn't too easy. It just seems that way because people have had 20 years to figure it out.

 

[dennis roadman]

R+L=J is too easy now

it's been embedded in book readers' conversations for so long that we all take it for granted. i'm sure it took several re-reads of the books for people to start putting it together.

also, i think this coming episode will end with "now it ends" (martin suggested that double entendre ), and episode 4 will start with the actual fight and go into the beginnings of R+L=J

we're a long way off and dany is still nowhere near westeros, while the theory will prove to be true, there's a lot of detail we're missing. martin would not have implicitly confirmed it as true if it were just gonna ruin the entire story

 

[beanz]

I'm still on the fence about Jon being a T...its too easy, and he doesn't look like one.

I wish I wasn't so lazy but I think in The World of Ice and Fire book we see that sometimes people with parents who aren't both Targs can wind up looking like the non-Targ parent. I think Rhagear's daughter Rhaenys had her mother's black hair instance.

In the dunk and egg series there's a targaryen with brown hair that has a Dornish mother I believe. I think his name was baelor breakspear but I might be wrong.

R+L=J is too easy now

it's been embedded in book readers' conversations for so long that we all take it for granted. i'm sure it took several re-reads of the books for people to start putting it together.

also, i think this coming episode will end with "now it ends" (martin suggested that double entendre ), and episode 4 will start with the actual fight and go into the beginnings of R+L=J

we're a long way off and dany is still nowhere near westeros, while the theory will prove to be true, there's a lot of detail we're missing. martin would not have implicitly confirmed it as true if it were just gonna ruin the entire story

Maybe they might rush the Jon thing just so they could keep the targaryen vs targaryen conflict since aegon doesn't exist on the show. Season could end with Jon finding out who he is and Dany getting ready to finally set sail to westeros.

I love being as blind as show watchers right now man. Anything could happen and I can't wait to see what does

 

[dennis roadman]

In the dunk and egg series there's a targaryen with brown hair that has a Dornish mother I believe. I think his name was baelor breakspear but I might be wrong.


Maybe they might rush the Jon thing just so they could keep the targaryen vs targaryen conflict since aegon doesn't exist on the show. Season could end with Jon finding out who he is and Dany getting ready to finally set sail to westeros.

I love being as blind as show watchers right now man. Anything could happen and I can't wait to see what does

i'd even say baelor breakspear looks like jon snow with short hair

your post got me on how baelor coulda been one of the GOATs, half martell, half targaryen and not from sickly Elia he ultimately died for Egg to become the man he needed to be to take over the throne

 

[Zombi_Jeezus]

When Ayra goes back to Westeros and links up with her wolf that happens to be leading a big ass gang of man eating wolves...

it's gonna be carnage

The name stark will only be whispered in fearful tones behind triple locked doors. I hope she's the one that deals with the Freys.

 

[Adam3000]

If an episode description leaks again I might have to read the end at least

Mainly because I dont want to wait for 50 minutes for "promise me Ned" only to find out they stop the flashback after Arthur Dayne dies

Them expectations are a bytch and I just want to enjoy the scene