A Blown Knee & Flat Tires-Another NY Pothole Year: 17-18 Knicks Season Thread

[nyknick]

I see Enes Kanter is making $17M for the next two seasons, so we wouldn't even be able to create a package around him without getting anything back from Phoenix. We kinda stuck with this guy.

I really believe we pushed the button on that Melo trade too fast. I can't stand watching Kanter play, the bad defense, the constant flopping, the constant demanding for the ball on every P&R and post up, the man can score the ball but he's just a terrible fit for what we are doing and he's taking away Willy's minutes, who is a similar player.

I wish we could have waited and gotten Melo to accept a trade to Portland where we could have gotten a guy like Maurice Harkless.

They can trade O'Quinn this year and then there is potential to make a good deal with Kanter expiring next year.

Oh yeah and there's still Noah

 

[ISO]

They can trade O'Quinn this year and then there is potential to make a good deal with Kanter expiring next year.

Oh yeah and there's still Noah

O'Quinn is on a steal $4M a year deal, and is a productive NBA player, good locker room guy I don't mind sticking with him.

Oh, and he from Queens.

Kanter needs to go this year because he is taking Herns minutes who should be starting.

 

[Youhadasparkwhenustarted]

ill keep it in simple for you
out of the all the teams that won the championship in the last 10 plus years, none of those teams made a conscious decision to lose on purpose for mulitiple years in a row to stack up draft picks and win a championship
it just hasnt been done
teams that have won make smart draft picks ( most of the team in the middle of the first round or in the second round because they are compeitive) have cap flexibility, and make strong free agent signings. thats it.


i have no problem building around kp, losing for the next couple of years on purpose is dumb. and no one should be looking at philly as a example of success lol

The Knicks aren't looking to lose on purpose, I think Scott has come out and said he wants the team to be competitive. Honestly, in NBA history, no team outside of the Sixers has blatantly come out and lost multiple seasons in a row on purpose, while suppressing talent and completely treating players as assets and expendable. If you're looking for a parallel for what the Knicks are going through now or a team that lost for a good while after drafting their franchise player, then I suppose the Warriors are the closest example I can think of; Before and after they drafted Stephen Curry, they where pretty shytty for a while(I think they didn't even crack 30 wins a few times), and got some pretty high draft picks a long the way( Steph and Harrison Barnes were both picked at 7, Klay at 11, and a couple of other high picks that turned out to be busts) They developed the talent they had while purging bad contracts, trading older players who were exiting their prime, and showed patience when it came to making moves and free agent signings, turning down trades that probably would've destroyed their chances at a title in hindsight. What the Knicks are doing now is more comparable to that than to what the Sixers did . Not saying it's exactly like what the Warriors went through, or that the Knicks will turn out like the Warriors did, but what the Sixers did was pretty unprecedented.

 

[onelastdeath]

Frank and Willy are not getting traded.

I'm on board to get Bledsoe, I think a motivated Bledsoe is a top 10 PG in the league and he is in his prime. I think he's a good stop gap PG while Frank develops behind him. The Knicks are throwing out Ramon Sessions, Ron Baker, and Jarrett Jack out there, disgusting. I think we need a real NBA quality PG, also Bledsoe used to be a great defender on the Clippers.

I also like that if we trade for Bledsoe we'd be able to clear logjams at certain positions, there's a ton of guys on this team that could use a change of scenery or flat out need to get traded because they can't get minutes or are taking minutes from young players.

Enes Kanter and Kyle O'Quinn are taking Willy's minutes, Sessions and Jack are 30+ and are washed, Kuz isn't even playing after a great eurobasket run.

If we can wrap up this Bledsoe trade, the next order of business should be trading Lee to a playoff caliber team perhaps Charlotte since he had success there and Batum is out for significant time. Trading Lee opens up minutes for Dotson and minutes for Ntlikina off the ball, even McBuckets.

3”-

The goal should be to not trade any young pieces for him. Ntilikina and Willy are untouchable. It’s unlikely we get him anyway.

Bledsoe doesn’t ruin the “tank”. This is still a 30-35 win team with him, the defense is that bad. We need to clear logjams at PG, SF, and C. We desperately need a real NBA level guard for Ntilikina to play behind and learn from. We need an NBA level guard who can actually hit KP with post entry passes, pick and pops, and lobs.

35 wins is too much. Maximum wins should be 20-25. Let’s just do it right

 

[ISO]

3”-

35 wins is too much. Maximum wins should be 20-25. Let’s just do it right

It's not going to happen...

This team isn't nearly as bad as Chicago, Atlanta, Phoenix. At this point KP is good enough to lead us to 25-30 wins on his own.

 

[onelastdeath]

It's not going to happen...

This team isn't nearly as bad as Chicago, Atlanta, Phoenix. At this point KP is good enough to lead us to 25-30 wins on his own.

Then sit him.

I can’t deal with another halfway rebuild. No more sneaking in as an 8th seed and being satisfied with first round exits.

Stink the jawn up and let’s start fresh. Funny thing is if we do it right, this is the last year we have to stink it up to have a future assuming Frank pans out. So let’s do it.

Trading for Bledsoe is counterproductive imo.

 

[Stop_It_5]

Then sit him.

I can’t deal with another halfway rebuild. No more sneaking in as an 8th seed and being satisfied with first round exits.

Stink the jawn up and let’s start fresh. Funny thing is if we do it right, this is the last year we have to stink it up to have a future assuming Frank pans out. So let’s do it.

Trading for Bledsoe is counterproductive imo.

76ers were fortunate enough to have Embiid constantly miss time and Simmons not play a possession his rookie year.

Short of KP being nicked up, it's just not realistic to scratch his playing time if he's healthy. You can't shut down your franchise player and deny him every opportunity to see the court and fine tune his game if he's healthy.

 

[onelastdeath]

76ers were fortunate enough to have Embiid constantly miss time and Simmons not play a possession his rookie year.

Short of KP being nicked up, it's just not realistic to scratch his playing time if he's healthy. You can't shut down your franchise player and deny him every opportunity to see the court and fine tune his game if he's healthy.

Say less

I’m just saying we’ve seen this playout before.

 

[Columbo]

I don't mean we need to run him into ground, I just want him to keep up the quality of play or to put it another way, I expect us to be blown out enough this year that he can rest organically assuming Hornacek doesn't just leave him out there like game one. But rather than the raw stats, I just want KP to put up the efficiency numbers and keep the energy level whenever he's out there. The way he's been attacking and the diversity is key, if he can keep being aggressive whenever he's out there, that'll be the keeping it up in my mind.

I got you breh thats true, here will likely have lots of chances to rest in blowouts. Sessions is unwatchable, we've had some terrible point guards over the years

 

[SHO-NUFF]

he's a melo stan, spiteful ex knickfan cause he feels ny did him wrong
he shows up in this thread to remind us how much he hates the knicks
thats your boy now tho....full on thunder fan now

Nah, that's your guy now.
We disowned him the second Melo got thrown out of here. That's your problem now, ball stopping, hoodie, bricks and all.

we keeping Melo, but the registration period for the Thunder is closed
if you missed this season, I suggest the Golden Shower warriors; they'll literally accept anyone

 

[Ironman]

we keeping Melo, but the registration period for the Thunder is closed
if you missed this season, I suggest the Golden Shower warriors; they'll literally accept anyone

No one is trying to be

 

[NY's #1 Draft Pick]

we keeping Melo, but the registration period for the Thunder is closed
if you missed this season, I suggest the Golden Shower warriors; they'll literally accept anyone

Did @Mr. Jack Napier make the cutoff?!

He would make a good ally!
I remember cheering side by side for #knickstape with the breh through all these years.

 

[NY's #1 Draft Pick]

Man if y'all have Facebook have any of you ever been on the fort Knicks fan page?

Them dudes over there are the typical Knicks fans smh

I started following cuz they had that breh the angry Knicks fan and dude was funny but them cats are delusional as fukk in there. They the typical trade draft picks for over the hill veterans on inflated contracts they never learn their lesson.

They was in their talm bout trading frank and Willy for Bledsoe and most of em was on some let's go he will thrive next to KP!


Foh them dudes are delusional

 

[Ironman]

Man if y'all have Facebook have any of you ever been on the fort Knicks fan page?

Them dudes over there are the typical Knicks fans smh

I started following cuz they had that breh the angry Knicks fan and dude was funny but them cats are delusional as fukk in there. They the typical trade draft picks for over the hill veterans on inflated contracts they never learn their lesson.

They was in their talm bout trading frank and Willy for Bledsoe and most of em was on some let's go he will thrive next to KP!


Foh them dudes are delusional

Not sure what page I'm a part of but the Knick fans are negative as hellSome with the trade others just pessimistic as it gets

 

[seemorecizzy]

The goal should be to not trade any young pieces for him. Ntilikina and Willy are untouchable. It’s unlikely we get him anyway.

Bledsoe doesn’t ruin the “tank”. This is still a 30-35 win team with him, the defense is that bad. We need to clear logjams at PG, SF, and C. We desperately need a real NBA level guard for Ntilikina to play behind and learn from. We need an NBA level guard who can actually hit KP with post entry passes, pick and pops, and lobs.

untouchable
frank is a third string point guard whos always hurt and willy never plays, how are they untouchable

i really hope you meant untouchable in a blesode trade