A Blown Knee & Flat Tires-Another NY Pothole Year: 17-18 Knicks Season Thread

[Daniel.]

bro mudiay is a bottom of the barrell pg
frank is a unknown
neither of them should be playing the 2

Frank is unknown. So see where he plays well at.

Mudiay is still young and 3 years in. So see where he plays well at.

This isn't a long term solution it's experimentation. Why is this such an issue when this team haa 24 month trial run ahead of them?

 

[gdatruth]

Knicks have deeper issues in regards to developing players. The organization is terribly set up, that's why I hazard calling Frank a bust. Anyone we selected would've had issues.



https://nypost.com/2018/02/12/knicks-may-bring-back-familiar-face-to-mentor-young-guards/

didnt Phil fire their best developmental coach because he was tight to KP
talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face

even if the knicks pick the right player do you trust them to develop/get the best outta him?

 

[storyteller]

getting the young guys minutes is not enough
you have to put that in a position to succeed
frank was out there for 21 minutes yesterday and did not get a point or a assist
those are meaningless minutes

Man, at zero points this season was Willy put in a position to succeed and you had no problem with it (had to throw this in ). Beggars can't be choosers and Frank actually has as much or more professional basketball experience as the off guard. Letting him run sets with a second ball handler has been the way that franchises acclimated him to the game in France. Yesterday, the Mudiay/Frank backcourt wasn't utilized exclusively by any means thanks to Courtney Lee's inexplicable move to the bench, so it's not even like the failure falls on that combination. Plus it's one game. If we're keeping score Frank had his highest scoring game and Mudiay had his highest assist game all year the first time they were paired. We're gonna wanna give it time to actually find out if Mudiay's slashing and Frank's catch and shoot abilities compliment each other (just to repeat he's about 40% from three on catch and shoot opportunities and most accurate from the corner which is Mudiay's top kick out target on drives).

knicks drafted frank to be a point guard. let him start at point guard for the rest of the season

Then they shoulda been doing that all year. Hornacek doesn't trust Frank as the primary ball handler, period. Since we're stuck with Hornacek, getting a primary ball handler who could compliment Frank on a one and a half year audition is completely logical. Mind you, Hornacek's biggest success was running a two PG system as well (not comparing the players, but Hornacek knows how to fit two PG's together in a working system).

have mudiay be his back up point guard, he is not a shooting guard

its real simple shyt here

Mudiay ain't a shoot guard. Frank has started as a shooting guard in France at 18 years old on a championship contender (say what you want about competition this sort of thing is rare in Europe where seniority holds more weight). He's got good catch and shoot from three numbers, good corner three point shooting numbers, the requisite height to guard SG's and even in the dud last night he managed to have a positive plus/minus. They just need to press him to take the shots when he has them and if he picks up that aggression to carry over to his PG minutes it'll actually be extremely beneficial...but that'd take better coaching I admit.

 

[K-ZOE]

Smell like L in this thread

......Dog you late. The time to laugh at the Knicks for losing games was in November/December. Even I'm #TeamTank now and the majority of these cats have been on it all season

 

[seemorecizzy]

Man, at zero points this season was Willy put in a position to succeed and you had no problem with it. Beggars can't be choosers and Frank actually has as much or more professional basketball experience as the off guard. Letting him run sets with a second ball handler has been the way that franchises acclimated him to the game in France. Yesterday, the Mudiay/Frank backcourt wasn't utilized exclusively by any means thanks to Courtney Lee's inexplicable move to the bench, so it's not even like the failure falls on that combination. Plus it's one game. If we're keeping score Frank had his highest scoring game and Mudiay had his highest assist game all year the first time they were paired. We're gonna wanna give it time to actually find out if Mudiay's slashing and Frank's catch and shoot abilities compliment each other (just to repeat he's about 40% from three on catch and shoot opportunities and most accurate from the corner which is Mudiay's top kick out target on drives).



Then they shoulda been doing that all year. Hornacek doesn't trust Frank as the primary ball handler, period. Since we're stuck with Hornacek, getting a primary ball handler who could compliment Frank on a one and a half year audition is completely logical. Mind you, Hornacek's biggest success was running a two PG system as well (not comparing the players, but Hornacek knows how to fit two PG's together in a working system).



Mudiay ain't a shoot guard. Frank has started as a shooting guard in France at 18 years old on a championship contender (say what you want about competition this sort of thing is rare in Europe where seniority holds more weight). He's got good catch and shoot from three numbers, good corner three point shooting numbers, the requisite height to guard SG's and even in the dud last night he managed to have a positive plus/minus. They just need to press him to take the shots when he has them and if he picks up that aggression to carry over to his PG minutes it'll actually be extremely beneficial...but that'd take better coaching I admit.

im sorry if you need time to see how a starting bad court of frank and mudiay plays out, but i can save you the time right now and tell u its gonna be trash and a waste of time if we are actually trying to be a successful team in the future that wins games.

draft a point guard that the coach doesnt trust to be the primary ball handler brehs

last year whenever frank had a good game, dudes were having orgasms in here talking bout hes the point guard of our future and blah blah

2 months later, and its ' lets try somoene else at pg, frank might be the shooting guard of our future instead'


management is confused, so now the fanbase is confused. it all makes sense


frank should be the starting point guard for every game after the all star break. anything else is retarded

nothin else should be even considered until he is given a fair run at the position we drafted him to play

 

[DPresidential]

......Dog you late. The time to laugh at the Knicks for losing games was in November/December. Even I'm #TeamTank now and the majority of these cats have been on it all season

This nikka @LinusCaldwell s has been on his mother goose shyt, a bytch sitting on a egg to try to fire shots at this team.


Like my breh @K-ZOE said, KP is not back until the end of next year and the laughs to be had were early.

Knicks brehs have come to terms with what's going on.

Worry about the Lakers getting excited to sign nikkas that will never come. Y'all still have those Melo & Dwight Howard "We Want You in LA!" banners hanging on the side of the StapLes Center?

Side note: How is Lavar Ball trying to hold your team hostage with the most hyped rookie in the draft, breh?

nikka talking Ls from experience.

 

[storyteller]

im sorry if you need time to see how a starting bad court of frank and mudiay plays out, but i can save you the time right now and tell u its gonna be trash and a waste of time if we are actually trying to be a successful team in the future that wins games.

draft a point guard that the coach doesnt trust to be the primary ball handler brehs

last year whenever frank had a good game, dudes were having orgasms in here talking bout hes the point guard of our future and blah blah

2 months later, and its ' lets try somoene else at pg, frank might be the shooting guard of our future instead'


management is confused, so now the fanbase is confused. it all makes sense


frank should be the starting point guard for every game after the all star break. anything else is retarded

Fam, you're legit confusing my point and pushing that off on the fanbase. Frank's future isn't defined by playing offguard while he develops his ballhandling; it just gets him on the court to adjust to the speed of the game so that he can run plays more often when his handle tightens up. Then Mudiay can either slide to a back-up role, the 2 guard if it's working or we just don't re-sign him at the end of next year. This is as obvious a tank type move as it gets. Take a short term look at a young prospect with no risk attached and give your coach more ways to put your lottery pick rookie on the floor.

Last year it was "Frank is the point guard of the future but he's hella raw. We need to get him reps and wait for an offseason of training to tighten up his game." This year it's "Frank is the point guard of the future but he's hella raw. We need to get him reps and wait for an offseason of training to tighten up his game...and we can do that by pairing him with a second ball handler for the time being."

Frank should be starting. Period. I been on that boat since November probably (maybe earlier), but having a second ball handler keeps him out there longer and the evidence is as simple as for the first 53 games of the season without Mudiay, Frank got one game over 30 minutes. He played 30 minutes the first night paired with Mudiay. Our future isn't reliant on Mudiay, he can be here or not, so no need make a mountain out of a molehill.

 

[seemorecizzy]

Fam, you're legit confusing my point and pushing that off on the fanbase. Frank's future isn't defined by playing offguard while he develops his ballhandling; it just gets him on the court to adjust to the speed of the game so that he can run plays more often when his handle tightens up. Then Mudiay can either slide to a back-up role, the 2 guard if it's working or we just don't re-sign him at the end of next year. This is as obvious a tank type move as it gets. Take a short term look at a young prospect with no risk attached and give your coach more ways to put your lottery pick rookie on the floor.

Last year it was "Frank is the point guard of the future but he's hella raw. We need to get him reps and wait for an offseason of training to tighten up his game." This year it's "Frank is the point guard of the future but he's hella raw. We need to get him reps and wait for an offseason of training to tighten up his game...and we can do that by pairing him with a second ball handler for the time being."

Frank should be starting. Period. I been on that boat since November probably (maybe earlier), but having a second ball handler keeps him out there longer and the evidence is as simple as for the first 53 games of the season without Mudiay, Frank got one game over 30 minutes. He played 30 minutes the first night paired with Mudiay. Our future isn't reliant on Mudiay, he can be here or not, so no need make a mountain out of a molehill.

as long we are on the same page with this, than cool
id rather they just gave frank the starting role now so we have 20 or so games to see how he looks running a team.
i dont care if we win, it gives us a better idea for next year

you're saying (correct me if im wrong) that as long as hes on the floor in any capacity, you're cool with it because horn doesn't trust him being the primary ball handler and bringing mudiay gets him more minutes


my solution to that is, FIRE horn. I Dont care who he trusts, we arent trying to win. throw him out there and see what he can do. nothing to lose whatsoever

 

[nyknick]

Smell like L in this thread

I think you caught a whiff of that bytch ass podcast you keep spamming

 

[Illified infinitely]

I’ll be real with y’all. Frank don’t look good at all.

 

[storyteller]

as long we are on the same page with this, than cool
id rather they just gave frank the starting role now so we have 20 or so games to see how he looks running a team.
i dont care if we win, it gives us a better idea for next year

you're saying (correct me if im wrong) that as long as hes on the floor in any capacity, you're cool with it because horn doesn't trust him being the primary ball handler and bringing mudiay gets him more minutes


my solution to that is, FIRE horn. I Dont care who he trusts, we arent trying to win. throw him out there and see what he can do. nothing to lose whatsoever

Yes, now we're on the same page! I agree about firing Hornacek too and I fully co-sign that Hornacek still being here looks more and more like a reason to side-eye Mills and Perry. But I'm in the beggars can't be choosers mode now. Since I don't trust management to fire Hornacek until the offseason and I don't trust Hornacek to let Frank run PG; I'm settling on the idea that Frank will get his minutes as a combo guard and then we can see what happens when Hornacek's replacement arrives.

 

[DPresidential]

im sorry if you need time to see how a starting bad court of frank and mudiay plays out, but i can save you the time right now and tell u its gonna be trash and a waste of time if we are actually trying to be a successful team in the future that wins games.

draft a point guard that the coach doesnt trust to be the primary ball handler brehs

last year whenever frank had a good game, dudes were having orgasms in here talking bout hes the point guard of our future and blah blah

2 months later, and its ' lets try somoene else at pg, frank might be the shooting guard of our future instead'


management is confused, so now the fanbase is confused. it all makes sense


frank should be the starting point guard for every game after the all star break. anything else is retarded

nothin else should be even considered until he is given a fair run at the position we drafted him to play

As time goes on, a more accurate view on a player's performance and skill is seen.

Breh, this is also an experimentation period; they are seeing what works best for his skillset.

 

[LinusCaldwell]

I think you caught a whiff of that bytch ass podcast you keep spamming

 

[LinusCaldwell]

......Dog you late. The time to laugh at the Knicks for losing games was in November/December. Even I'm #TeamTank now and the majority of these cats have been on it all season

every season is teamtank don’t matter what month

 

[JMurder]

You asked someone if they thought the contract is bad.

I interjected and said yes and stated the reasons why I thought it was bad.

Your response is to say that my criteria for what is bad is not shared by others.

What exactly are you asking then, bruh?

I think a contract is bad within the context it exists. If youre paying someone 12 mill a year to operate out of position at the 3, I think that's bad value on the contract.

If you're paying someone 12 mil a year to play a position that they're best at, but in doing so, they're eating away at time that could be spent on cheaper prospects with potential when you're in the middle of a tank and have no realistic playoff aspirations I think that's bad value on the contract, within that context.

If you're asking if the contract is bad within the context of the league, no, it's not bad within the context of the league, but that doesn't mean shyt to me within the scope of the team becausethe rest ofthe leagueis not strungup ona contract for a guy not in our future. The Knicks are.

If you're asking if the contract is objectively bad, well, that's a deep ass conversation on a metaphysical level that I wasn't prepared to come across, let alone interject my 2 cents on.

So again, I ask - what exactly were you asking?

I was asking in reference to it being bad in the same way the other contracts mentioned in the same post as being bad. Objectively or in comparison to other contracts pretty much amounts to the same thing. You appear to be answering if the contract is bad for the Knicks, but even that can be disputed in regards to it being a good contract as the Knicks can get a decent return for it.