A Blown Knee & Flat Tires-Another NY Pothole Year: 17-18 Knicks Season Thread

[nyknick]

I was asking in reference to it being bad in the same way the other contracts mentioned in the same post as being bad. Objectively or in comparison to other contracts pretty much amounts to the same thing. You appear to be answering if the contract is bad for the Knicks, but even that can be disputed in regards to it being a good contract as the Knicks can get a decent return for it.

Well they didn't get anything for him at this trade deadline. Even though I feel part of the reason is that the other teams were trying to rape the Knicks, that 4th year at $12.7 million when he's 34 is a killer.

 

[qnsfinest]

What ya think about wiggins? He’s not on the trade block or any rumors of sort. But let’s say if he becomes available at the end of the season.

Do we take a chance on him? I say make everyone available except KP and the 2018 first pick available if you can get him. I know the money gotta match, but those semantics can be worked out.

 

[Daniel.]

I was asking in reference to it being bad in the same way the other contracts mentioned in the same post as being bad. Objectively or in comparison to other contracts pretty much amounts to the same thing. You appear to be answering if the contract is bad for the Knicks, but even that can be disputed in regards to it being a good contract as the Knicks can get a decent return for it.

The contract being good or bad for the Knicks is the only thing that matters as far as I can tell. As for it being arguable, well, yeah, it's my opinion. Not fact.

I look at Lee's contract and I see a depreciating 3&D asset. An asset that serves no real direct benefit in the long or short term of the team. Any production received really does nothing for my goals and being that he is objectively on the wrong side of his career, there are few assets I can obtain for him without adding something of greater value or taking on something of comparable or lesser value in the process. I can't really win a trade moving him outside of addition by subtraction and I cant win with him either. I feel like these are all things to be mindful of when considering a contract.

Is he as objectively bad as, say, Noah? Of course not. But much of the no for me is centered around similar characteristics. Older, no long or short term benefits to being here, can't move without likely spiting myself or taking on similar or worse value. But even worse than Lee.

Some team will hopefully bite in the off-season , but I don't know how many teams have 8-12 mill laying around to absorb him on their payroll while netting us something of value that is also cost effective, which is really my baseline for his or really any contract being good or bad : can I keep it and maintain long and short term goals or can I move it for better value down the line? Money is one thing, but those indirect consequences factor in big for me. If Lee can be moved for a position of need, clear up our logjam, create opportunities for our young pieces all while maintaining said young pieces, he's good value to me. If not, I stand by what I said before these long rants.

 

[storyteller]

What ya think about wiggins? He’s not on the trade block or any rumors of sort. But let’s say if he becomes available at the end of the season.

Do we take a chance on him? I say make everyone available except KP and the 2018 first pick available if you can get him. I know the money gotta match, but those semantics can be worked out.

He's underrated but I'd say, stay the course instead of moving pieces for him. KP is missing half of next season, no need to jump at anybody. I'd prefer an offseason where we just go after future assets and youth. I'd target some solid young talent early in free agency while most of the teams with money are targeting the bigger names. Right thinking we should move Courtney Lee (I honestly wouldn't mind dumping THJ either but that ain't happening) then try to get Mario Hezonja...problem is he's playing so well lately that he might price himself out.

 

[Shogun]

I'm not happy about a man getting injured, but the positive here is that it allows us to fully commit to the tank.

We couldnt do that with Melo on the roster, or with KP playing at an allstar level.

But now, though

We rolling into the arena each night like

 

[KnickstapeCity]

I'm not happy about a man getting injured, but the positive here is that it allows us to fully commit to the tank.

We couldnt do that with Melo on the roster, or with KP playing at an allstar level.

But now, though

We rolling into the arena each night like

A White man at that.







:philjacksonlol::philjacksonlol::philjacksonlol:

 

[Typical Knicks Fan]

What ya think about wiggins? He’s not on the trade block or any rumors of sort. But let’s say if he becomes available at the end of the season.

Do we take a chance on him? I say make everyone available except KP and the 2018 first pick available if you can get him. I know the money gotta match, but those semantics can be worked out.

I hate taking on anyone's mistake. Let Minnesota deal with that contract. We already have a bad history with long lasting bad contracts going back to McDyess.

 

[Youhadasparkwhenustarted]

Jaren Jackson Jr. Is the Most Complete Big Man of the 2018 NBA Draft

Good article on Jaren Jackson Jr, some key quotes:

Bamba gets the Rudy Gobert comparisons, but Jackson is the more effective defender. While he doesn’t have Bamba’s freakish physical dimensions, he actually blocks more shots per minute. He blocks 15.4 percent of the opposing team’s 2-point field goal attempts when he’s on the floor, which would be the highest block rate of any player drafted in the lottery since they began tracking the stat in 2010. He has everything an elite interior defender needs: He has a 7-foot-4 wingspan that covers the rim, he’s fast enough to rotate across the court quickly and cut off dribble penetration, he keeps his head on a swivel and always knows where the other nine players on the floor are, and he never gives up on plays.

There’s little chance that Jackson will bust — players with his skill set don’t need a huge role on offense to be incredibly valuable. This is not a guy on a hot streak. He has a track record of knocking down shots. He shot 28-for-64 from deep (43.8 percent)

His two-way impact isn’t just something to project to the NBA level. It translates to the NCAA right now. Switching Jackson with any of his peers would significantly improve their college teams. Neither Ayton nor Bagley is much of an interior defender, and defense has been the Achilles heel for Arizona (no. 196 in the country) and Duke (no. 110) this season. Bamba can’t force his man out of the paint, and Texas is no. 328 in the country in 3-point percentage. There are trade-offs to playing big men who excel on only one end of the floor. Jackson makes his teammates better on both. He creates space for them on offense and covers for them on defense.

Jackson’s shooting ability will be even more important in the NBA, where having shooters at every position is becoming a necessity.... A team that drafts Ayton or Bagley would have to restructure its offense to emphasize what makes them so great in college: their ability to score out of the post. The problem is there’s a trade-off to keeping a big man in the lane. Perimeter players in the NBA these days aren’t as comfortable spotting up and throwing the ball inside, and they are too dynamic off the dribble to stand around waiting for it to come out.

The whole article is quote worthy, its very persuasive. Could very well be the best big in the draft, shot mechanics arent the best but he makes them at a high rate.He's very coordinated for his size, very strong with a bigger frame than the other high profile bigs in this draft, but still quick enough to switch multiple positions and defend them well. He might have the highest floor in the draft outside of Doncic at least.

 

[Youhadasparkwhenustarted]

He's underrated but I'd say, stay the course instead of moving pieces for him. KP is missing half of next season, no need to jump at anybody. I'd prefer an offseason where we just go after future assets and youth. I'd target some solid young talent early in free agency while most of the teams with money are targeting the bigger names. Right thinking we should move Courtney Lee (I honestly wouldn't mind dumping THJ either but that ain't happening) then try to get Mario Hezonja...problem is he's playing so well lately that he might price himself out.

A few of us were on the trade for Hezonja wave for a few years too smh. He's gonna end up a very good player, The Knicks should dump a contract and rake a run at not just Hezonja but Nerlens Noel too, they're both players most teams wouldn't have a shot at signing this early in their careers, and there's still a good chance they can be had for cheap since so few teams will have money to spend. Its a unique situation the Knicks should take advantage of, and the Knicks are close enough to being under the cap that one contract shed or Kanter opting out can put us in position to take advantage of it (Kanter could opt out and resign for a longer, less lucrative deal for security reasons).

Also, Orlando is a good example of why you shouldn't always give up too early on players, especially if you're getting shytty returns for them.

 

[storyteller]

Jaren Jackson Jr. Is the Most Complete Big Man of the 2018 NBA Draft

Good article on Jaren Jackson Jr, some key quotes:




The whole article is quote worthy, its very persuasive. Could very well be the best big in the draft, shot mechanics arent the best but he makes them at a high rate.He's very coordinated for his size, very strong with a bigger frame than the other high profile bigs in this draft, but still quick enough to switch multiple positions and defend them well. He might have the highest floor in the draft outside of Doncic at least.

Two things on JJJ, I think if we're outside of the top five I'll be PRAYING for him or Mikal Bridges to be the pick. I wouldn't hate a Sexton selection but we can't keep adding to the logjam there imo, so a trade would need to coincide. That said, I still take Bagley or Bamba before I take JJJ at the moment. I see an "it" factor with Bamba that could just be thanks to his supporting cast but everything changes the second he gets on or off the floor. You can just feel the weight of his presence when he's in the middle on both ends. That's not an analytical take so much as a feeling though. Bagley is my favorite prospect. I think he'd free KP up on the defensive end and that they'd be a great "pick your poison" tandem on the other side. Ayton, Young and Porter are the three I'm not sure about. Porter has the injury. Young's frame worries me. Ayton probably needs the top pick and honestly, if I could do what Boston did and trade down; my preference right now is Bagley or Doncic.

A few of us were on the trade for Hezonja wave for a few years too smh. He's gonna end up a very good player, The Knicks should dump a contract and rake a run at not just Hezonja but Nerlens Noel too, they're both players most teams wouldn't have a shot at signing this early in their careers, and there's still a good chance they can be had for cheap since so few teams will have money to spend. Its a unique situation the Knicks should take advantage of, and the Knicks are close enough to being under the cap that one contract shed or Kanter opting out can put us in position to take advantage of it (Kanter could opt out and resign for a longer, less lucrative deal for security reasons).

Also, Orlando is a good example of why you shouldn't always give up too early on players, especially if you're getting shytty returns for them.

Agreed all around. My only pause on Noel is that I haven't seen him get burn in ages but I always liked him. Dude's defensive ability is undeniable, just too bad his offense hadn't come around. If we could grab him cheap, I'd give him another look. Hezonja needs minutes and great point about giving up one someone too early or more importantly, before you give them a true extended look. Injuries kinda jumpstarted Hezonja's opportunities and he's responded. Otherwise, he mighta been REALLY cheap this offseason.

 

[storyteller]

The difference when THJ let's the game come to him instead of forcing it is pretty crazy.

 

[nyknick]

The difference when THJ let's the game come to him instead of forcing it is pretty crazy.

How about he lets the game come to him next season

 

[Ironman]

The difference when THJ let's the game come to him instead of forcing it is pretty crazy.

He can't realize this every night??

 

[Columbo]

What the fukk are we doing

Thjr has fukkin 17 points, put him on the bench already

Fukk you Hornacek

 

[Ironman]

What the fukk are we doing

Thjr has fukkin 17 points already, put him on the bench already

Fukk you Hornacek

He's streaky and shot is on fire tonight