Thanks to everyone contributing to the thread. I wasn't trying to cause a rift really just wanted some understanding on Africa as a whole and where we descend from. Props to everyone kicking knowledge
95% of African Civilization Is NOT Egyptian
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DabbinSauce
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You have just let these non-black trolls shame you into thinking learning about any African history outside of west African slavery is wrong, nothing more, nothing less
I am not speaking of the Sudan, because the Arabs were stopped by the archers out in the desert in the Sudan. I am speaking of Egypt. The Arabs did invade Egypt and they founded the City of Cairo.
As for Sub-Saharan Africa; then how do you explain Islam in Mali, Nigeria, Niger, etc. The Hausa people were and are Muslim. So are the Fulani people. So are the Bamoun people in Cameroon. Islam may not have taken hold in Sub Saharan African to the extent that it took hold in North Africa, but it had a landing spot.
Islam probably didn't take hold in all of Sub-Saharan Africa, because many people moved into the forest to avoid Islam. Those forest belt people to this day still engage in ancestor worship or Christianity.
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My bad for misinterpreting you. And yes Cairo/Delta region was a hub for foriegn migration whether peaceful or through invasion like the Arab conquest. Its comes to no surprise that the Delta is more densely populated compared to Upper Egypt which was more densely populated during the early dynastic periods.
As for the bolded and I noted this many times on here Islam came to the Western Sudan through mostly trade; mostly by Berbers. There is no evidence of any Arab invasion of Mali, Nigeria, Niger. And if you think so good luck finding any evidence. Now Islam further spread through Africa by force, but it wasn't by Arabs nut Fulani jihadist.
You got these hotep African Africans running around claiming north africa when we descend from central and west africa. How you going to ignore the rest of Africa's history?
History like what, enlighten us?
GetInTheTruck
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Wikipedia is not a good source for information, but I wanted to check up on the Islam dynasties of the Almoravids and the Almohads. The Almoravids did capture the Kingdom of Ghana and its trade routes. Mali in turn was founded by some of the defeated Ghanaians, but even then it looks like they were trade partners with the Berbers; who later founded the Almohad Dynasty. Here is a written account of the matter:
"The western Sanhaja had been converted to Islam some time in the 9th century. They were subsequently united in the 10th century and, with the zeal of neophyte converts, launched several campaigns against the "Sudanese" (pagan peoples of sub-Saharan Africa).[13] Under their king Tinbarutan ibn Usfayshar, the Sanhaja Lamtuna erected (or captured) the citadel of Awdaghust, a critical stop on the trans-Saharan trade route. After the collapse of the Sanhaja union, Awdagust passed over to the Ghana empire; and the trans-Saharan routes were taken over by the Zenata Maghrawa of Sijilmassa. The Maghrawa also exploited this disunion to dislodge the Sanhaja Gazzula and Lamta out of their pasturelands in the Sous and Draa valleys. Around 1035, the Lamtuna chieftain Abu Abdallah Muhammad ibn Tifat (alias Tarsina), tried to reunite the Sanhaja desert tribes, but his reign lasted less than three years... ."
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Ghana Empire and the southern wing[edit]
According to Arab tradition, the Almoravids conquered the Ghana Empire sometime around 1075 CE.[20] Conrad and Fisher (1982) argued that the notion of any Almoravid military conquest at its core is merely perpetuated folklore, derived from a misinterpretation or naive reliance on Arabic sources.[21] Dierke Lange agrees but argues that this doesn't preclude Almoravid political agitation, claiming that Ghana's demise owed much to the latter.[22]This interpretation of events was countered by later scholars like S. Burkhalater, who argued that, whatever the nature of the "conquest" in the south, the influence and success of the almoravids in securing West Africa Gold and curcylating it widely necessitated a high degree of political control. Burkhalter suggests that the Almoravid who led the expedition to conquer Ghana was none other Abu Bakr’s son Yahya.[23] Furthermore, the archaeology of ancient Ghana simply does not show the signs of rapid change and destruction that would be associated with any Almoravid-era military conquests.[24]
The ensuing war pushed Ghana over the edge, ending the kingdom's position as a commercial and military power by 1100. It collapsed into tribal groups and chieftaincies, some of which later assimilated into the Almoravids while others founded the Mali Empire. However, the Almoravid religious influence was gradual and not heavily involved in military strife; there the Almoravids increased in power by marrying among the nation's nobility. Scholars such as Dierk Lange attribute the decline of ancient Ghana to numerous unrelated factors, only one of which can be likely attributable to internal dynastic struggles that were instigated by Almoravid influence and Islamic pressures, but devoid of any military conversion and conquest.[25]
After the dead of Abu Bakr, the confederation of berber tribes disitegrated and lost the control upon Ghana.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Almoravid_dynasty
My thinking is warfare to spread Islam was not required to capture the remaining part of Sub Saharan Africa, because it could probably be spread easier through trade; however Ghana was sacked by Muslim. Moreover Islam is still being pushed in the Sudan, Chad and in Nigeria through this day; some by use of violence.
The Almoravid conquest of Ghana is actually said to not have happened by many scholars. I touched based on this many times.
fukk off and die you aids infested bat eating sloth.
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DabbinSauce
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And Imma be on yall 2 muthafukkin racist asses every time yall post in a thread like this, yall ain't gettin shyt off as long as i'm around
Likewise Stanley! Im on you..
You instigating race baiting bytch..i see you..
your mother got raped by some maori's.
Ain't you maori? What are you talking about, Lilo?
appreciate it dikk lips, get some nice culture in your family bamboo tree.Of course.