9/30/2023: SHO PPV - Canelo vs Charlo (Undisputed Super Middleweight Championship)

[Thatrogueassdiaz]

A lot of these dudes have been watching the sports for years and still really don't get the sport.

If you think Charlo is going to be a power puncher at 168... you really don't get the sport fundamentally. His best bet is going to be to try to circle to the right and jab all night on some Lara shyt, but in terms of power, he's not going to have anything for Canelo. Conversely, Canelo will be the biggest puncher Charlo has faced in a sanctioned bout by far. People do this weird thing with power now that you either have Wilder, Julian Jackson one-punch destructive power, or you don't have power. "I mean, he's a volume guy. He's not really a one-punch KO guy like that. Ryder took his power, so I think his power is a bit overstated." Look, Canelo clearly punches hard af. As you start moving up in weight you're fighting naturally bigger men that absorb punishment better and that are more durable. Once you get to 160, in my opinion, you start getting to the weight classes where some guys are legit world championship contenders just because of their sheer size/toughness in the division. Yeah, there are outliers below, like Jarret Hurd, but you will see more of those kinda guys at 160 and above. For example, JCC Jr. does not have one world-class boxing skill, but off sheer size and toughness, he was a championship-level fighter. Canelo has been hurting these dudes and stopping a lot of them. He clearly punches very hard at 168.

This is diabolical matchmaking because Charlo is a name. It's a scalp, but it's a very low-risk fight for Canelo and he knows that. Some people will try to convince you that David is an easy fight for Canelo, but Canelo does not even believe that. He can seemingly mention everyone else's name as a potential opponent but David's. shyt is funny. I'd much rather see Charlo fight Tszyu, but I am happy Charlo will get a bag for his troubles.

Bag ain't worth potentially destroying your career. The only possible way Jermell escapes this without a KO (he ain't winning) is if Canelo has seriously lost a considerable step. His reflexes and defense aren't the same, but he won't need them against a fighter who has never fought over 154. This is such a farce fukking fight, I'm pretty disgusted. And you know PBC made this nonsense to market it as undisputed vs undisputed. This is fukking stupid. I swear boxing really does feel like WWE nowadays. No integrity.

Canelo needs an impressive win to win some fans back

Beating Jermell Charlo won't do anything for him in the fans eyes.

Had a meeting with the devil last week/ couldnt believe what he said to me/ "take this contract, signature please/ you can have it all but you know your soul imma keep"

I bet that hell aint hotter than this fukkin Hennessey



"Sign this contract if that's possible"



"You got what I want, I got what you need/ how much for your soul?"

Wrong thread whoops

All this damn crying in here .....same ones crying were prolly going crazy when Spence vs Mikey was made....and that was even more extreme considering Spence had never fought below 147. I didn't have any issue with that matchup cause mikey is the one who wanted it. Same as jermell here


Difference is jermell is way better than Mikey. Probably walks around the same weight as canelo between fights. And is the more athletic guy in this fight. Especially if it's at 165. Those 3 lbs won't be easy for canelo to lose. And Charlo gets to focus now on gameplan and technique instead of losing weight. Anybody who thinks canelo will be able to brush off Jermell's power just don't know what the hell they're talking about. Jermell definitely got enough to pop to keep canelo honest. If jermell can stay disciplined and focused through 6 he has a very good chance at an upset. Especially with the way canelo has looked in his last few fights.

You sound like a fukkin moron

 

[Agent Mulder]

For the cry babies - and I love Benavidez. Not worried at all though, Canelo has NEVER let us down and that fight WILL happen next year.

Also, y’all should be celebrating Jermell for daring to be great. And also it’s cool that Canelo is giving Jermell a shot to be 2x undisputed as he deserves both the opportunity and pay day.

Canelo has moved up to fight for championship titles so many times that y’all just used to him doing it by now. Anyone else doing the same thing and y’all already dismissing the fight lol. That’s how high Canelo has set the bar

Anyhow, his brother clearly didn’t want smoke and it’s officially the 2nd time Jermall has ducked Canelo.

 

[R=G]

A lot of these dudes have been watching the sports for years and still really don't get the sport.

If you think Charlo is going to be a power puncher at 168... you really don't get the sport fundamentally. His best bet is going to be to try to circle to the right and jab all night on some Lara shyt, but in terms of power, he's not going to have anything for Canelo. Conversely, Canelo will be the biggest puncher Charlo has faced in a sanctioned bout by far. People do this weird thing with power now that you either have Wilder, Julian Jackson one-punch destructive power, or you don't have power. "I mean, he's a volume guy. He's not really a one-punch KO guy like that. Ryder took his power, so I think his power is a bit overstated." Look, Canelo clearly punches hard af. As you start moving up in weight you're fighting naturally bigger men that absorb punishment better and that are more durable. Once you get to 160, in my opinion, you start getting to the weight classes where some guys are legit world championship contenders just because of their sheer size/toughness in the division. Yeah, there are outliers below, like Jarret Hurd, but you will see more of those kinda guys at 160 and above. For example, JCC Jr. does not have one world-class boxing skill, but off sheer size and toughness, he was a championship-level fighter. Canelo has been hurting these dudes and stopping a lot of them. He clearly punches very hard at 168.

This is diabolical matchmaking because Charlo is a name. It's a scalp, but it's a very low-risk fight for Canelo and he knows that. Some people will try to convince you that David is an easy fight for Canelo, but Canelo does not even believe that. He can seemingly mention everyone else's name as a potential opponent but David's. shyt is funny. I'd much rather see Charlo fight Tszyu, but I am happy Charlo will get a bag for his troubles.

Tommy Hearns carried his power from Welter to Cruiser...don't assume.

 

[patscorpio]

don't remember any people on here who weren't cool with Mikey vs Spence.

i wasnt cool with it at all...i was the first person on here to call what it was...a mismatch...and by golly i was right as hell on the mark with that shyt

 

[Agent Mulder]

All this is showing is how boxing fans truly don't appreciate what canelo has done fighting in multiple weight divisions. When he moved up two divisions to fight kovalev it was "who cares"


Now that jermell is doing it all of a sudden people seem to get it. All of a sudden they understand how tough it is to move up two divisions and fight a killer



Boxing fans man

Many of these dudes hate on greatness tbh. Since it ain’t they’re favorite fighter always making the power moves, it rubs them wrong and they start with their BS narrative.

I learned a while ago that Canelo won’t get the respect and praise he deserves by plenty of bitter dudes here on the coli. Their favorite fighters be like 30 years old, only accomplished like 20% of what Canelo has and they give them no hate. They even started trying to call Tank the face of boxing - anything to demote the gawd

It doesn’t matter though. Until he retires, Canelo will stay winning with his foot on their chicken necks

#CaneloCartel

 

[desjardins]

Interesting turn of events
This is the type of fight that will need to be analyzed in retrospect because so much depends on how Jermell adapts to moving up. None of us knows how that will work out
If it's competitive , goes 12, or he somehow wins then it's great match making between two top fighters
Boxing is a business and Jermell signed the contract but if he gets a vicious career altering beating in exchange for a bag then it's kind of icky for PBC to essentially "cash out" on a fighter they built just because they trying milk the Canelo opportunity instead of making more competitive bouts with him (ie: Benavidaz)
Right now I'm leaning towards this being a mistake on Jermell part but hopefully he can prove alot of us doubters wrong

 

[R=G]

i wasnt cool with it at all...i was the first person on here to call what it was...a mismatch...and by golly i was right as hell on the mark with that shyt

Sugar Ray Leonard thought different though. It was a top 5 p4p guy who won several different weight division titles as he moved up. Fact is..he wasn't special enough to get past Spence..couldn't adapt.

 

[R=G]

Interesting turn of events
This is the type of fight that will need to be analyzed in retrospect because so much depends on how Jermell adapts to moving up. None of us knows how that will work out
If it's competitive , goes 12, or he somehow wins then it's great match making between two top fighters
Boxing is a business and Jermell signed the contract but if he gets a vicious career altering beating in exchange for a bag then it's kind of icky for PBC to essentially "cash out" on a fighter they built just because they trying milk the Canelo opportunity instead of making more competitive bouts with him (ie: Benavidaz)
Right now I'm leaning towards this being a mistake on Jermell part but hopefully he can prove alot of us doubters wrong

Canelo has skills and everything but he's more overrated than being some real monster in the ring. Ryder survives 12 but Jermell? I mean..come on..it's common sense. Didn't know people thought this low of Jermell Charlo. Canelo has beaten NO ONE ELITE in their prime. Ever.

 

[Jerz]

Canelo has skills and everything but he's more overrated than being some real monster in the ring. Ryder survives 12 bit Jermell? I mean..come on..it's common sense. Didn't know people thought this low of Jermell Charlo. Canelo has beaten NO ONE ELITE in their prime. Ever.

Yea that's how boxing works, it's that simple

 

[desjardins]

Canelo has skills and everything but he's more overrated than being some real monster in the ring. Ryder survives 12 bit Jermell? I mean..come on..it's common sense. Didn't know people thought this low of Jermell Charlo. Canelo has beaten NO ONE ELITE in their prime. Ever.

Historically these kind of fights rarely work out for the guy moving up.
And contrary to the narrative yall running with on here, Canelo has been recently inflicting serious damage on people. He fractured that Smith brother arm, broke BJS orbital, and iirc he injured Plant too. All that's been in the last couple of years. Jermell has a real risk of getting fukked up in this fight if he can't adjust to the change in weight

 

[NormanConnors]

All this damn crying in here .....same ones crying were prolly going crazy when Spence vs Mikey was made....and that was even more extreme considering Spence had never fought below 147. I didn't have any issue with that matchup cause mikey is the one who wanted it. Same as jermell here


Difference is jermell is way better than Mikey. Probably walks around the same weight as canelo between fights. And is the more athletic guy in this fight. Especially if it's at 165. Those 3 lbs won't be easy for canelo to lose. And Charlo gets to focus now on gameplan and technique instead of losing weight. Anybody who thinks canelo will be able to brush off Jermell's power just don't know what the hell they're talking about. Jermell definitely got enough to pop to keep canelo honest. If jermell can stay disciplined and focused through 6 he has a very good chance at an upset. Especially with the way canelo has looked in his last few fights.

Aside from the Spence and Garcia discredit . This is correct

 

[Apollo Creed]

Historically these kind of fights rarely work out for the guy moving up.
And contrary to the narrative yall running with on here, Canelo has been recently inflicting serious damage on people. He fractured that Smith brother arm, broke BJS orbital, and iirc he injured Plant too. All that's been in the last couple of years. Jermell has a real risk of getting fukked up in this fight if he can't adjust to the change in weight

Plant gassed same way he did with Benevidez.

Canelo tried the arm shyt with Bivol and it didnt work.

 

[((ReFleXioN)) EteRNaL]

Aside from the Spence and Garcia discredit . This is correct

I didn't throw shade at Spence-mikey at all. I thought it was a great fight for the sport. Just said you can't hate on this fight when you supported that one. Especially considering spence and Mikey didn't start at the same weight class like canelo and mell did.

These two matchups are essentially one in the same. Except I think mell has a much better chance at an upset when you break down all factors.

 

[Agent Mulder]

 

[alpo]

She was right though.

This nygga Jermall was so obsessed with the Canelo fight, that he stayed on the sidelines HOPING Canelo would pick him as an opponent. Meanwhile, due to his expensive spending habits, he’s unable to maintain his lifestyle.

How are you gonna have a wife, 4 kids, and not fight hoping another man will give you a chance? Nah I can’t side with Jermall on this and I’m always hard on these hoes

Beat it goofy