9/25 DAZN: Anthony Joshua vs Oleksandr Usyk (WBA/WBO/IBF Heavyweight Titles)

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As in the way he use it…atleast he use it to set up his right hand and to disguise his right hand..Of course he not pounding u with it..but ain’t no way wilder landing that right hand without a decent jab. His jab atleast got a purpose. In my eyes a jab ain’t got to necessarily land to fulfill its purpose. Wilder use his as a range fighter/blinder/glove mover..Yall telling me the damn near the most potent right hand in history get setup without using the jab.:dwillhuh:

His KO of Ortiz 2 and Brazielle shows u what I’m talking about..and I’m not no wilder stan.
They hate him. Not even worth talking to. They ain't got a once of sense. C00ns. They know goddamn well he could knock out Uysk in 3 rounds.
 

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He brought up what I was concerned about...Joshua made what? 85 million for the Ruiz rematch..he downplays it and says he didn't get that much between all his pundits and sidekicks. But has the money and easy lifestyle..women..has it took away him getting up and doing what he's supposed to do? That's what's so special about Jordan and Floyd...had a WHOLE LOT but kept obsessing with being superior to everyone. Is that in Joshua?
 

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That Sunday morning fight re-watch :wow:

Final conclusion: anyone who thinks AJ wins a rematch is in fantasy land.

1) Usyk has the better feet by miles. He didn't run for a second last night. He stood in the middle of the ring and spun AJ like they were on American Bandstand. AJ didn't cut off the ring on him a SINGLE time.

You don't go from not being able to cut off a guy for a second to being able to walk him down and lock him up. That right there is reason enough AJ has long odds in a rematch. This fight will always be where Usky wants it. Middle of the ocean, deep water.

2. Usyk's movement is the obvious issue. This is a guy who doesn't get hit by natural LHW's and Cruisers. Him saying "it was easier than I thought" isn't cap. He looked like he saw AJ in bullet time for 12 rounds tonight. The levels he gave AJ last night were unbelievable as well. He threw body punches and head shots from the same spot, or sometimes he wouldn't punch at all but make AJ move. He waged total warfare in there. Physically and phycologically dominant. AJ doesn't have a single thing he can hang his hat on.

3. Power. It's what we really talked about. Usyk took the two years and transitioned to HW properly. The "AJ needs to impose himself" rhetoric is based entirely on the idea he can walk through Usyk. He cannot. He just cannot. First 20 seconds of the fight Usyk cracks him with a lightning rod left hand and AJ minds his manners for the rest of the night. Same thing Floyd did with Manny. People kept on wondering when Manny was gonna rush in but Floyd cracked him early and he knew better.

Usyk gonna be here for a while. Fury is a 50/50 fight. Anyone else is a wash.
 

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They hate him. Not even worth talking to. They ain't got a once of sense. C00ns. They know goddamn well he could knock out Uysk in 3 rounds.

It’s not guaranteed but Wilder has a good chance of KOing Usyk....Joshua still landed despite his idiotic game plan. But if Wilder lands it’s over. Yea the hate for wilder is wild he atleast knows how to use his height..Yea his game outside of the things he good at are crude... But to write him off is crazy. His understanding of distance is waaay better than AJ..
 

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It’s not guaranteed but Wilder has a good chance of KOing Usyk....Joshua still landed despite his idiotic game plan. But if Wilder lands it’s over. Yea the hate for wilder is wild he atleast knows how to use his height..Uea his game outside of the thing she do is cruel. But to write him off is crazy.
They so fukking happy he's been gone after the guy that beat a decade long reigning Klitchko ended his 5 year reign..lol. So now anyone can beat Wilder magically...like Wilder ain't been outboxed in nearly every fight but still knocks nyggas out cold.
 

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Just got back from work. Had to watch the fight there.

@patscorpio we need to find the post you made when Wilder won the arbitration, predicting that this would happen :dead:

lol yeah ever since joshua vs fury went away i said i was going to keep quiet about joshua vs usyk and fury vs wilder 3 until i see how it plays out in the ring....no direct pre fight analysis or prediction and let the boxing gods sort this shyt out...ill def weigh in more after this unofficial heavyweight tournament semi finals is over with in a couple of weeks
 

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They so fukking happy he's been gone after the guy that beat a decade long reigning Klitchko ended his 5 year reign..lol. So now anyone can beat Wilder magically...like Wilder ain't been outboxed in nearly every fight but still knocks nyggas out cold.

Yea anybody who writes Wilder off is a dumbass. He got the great equalizer plus he got heart..:mjgrin:

Like I’m still not as high on Usyk at HW…AJ just soft weak chinned and had horrible gameplan.
 

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Just got done watching it, great fight. A few scattered thoughts:

-The very second the first round ended I knew Joshua was going to have an extremely tough time winning this fight. Usyk was faster, more skilled, and had better footwork throughout the fight, which is a terrible combination for a guy like Joshua to overcome. He never went to Usyk's body like he should've, which could have really paid off in the middle rounds once Usyk was recovering from his initial blitz and possibly prevented that round 10-12 second wind that completely shut the door on the fight. Honestly, it felt like watching a strong light heavyweight dance round a heavyweight in there; Joshua may as well have been fighting in slow motion compared to Usyk.

-Even when Joshua started coming back in the middle rounds and the pace slowed down, not once did I think Usyk was in real danger, nor did I believe HE thought he was in any danger. There were clear moments throughout where Joshua seemed to be questioning what was happening in the ring and was unsure as to how he should handle Usyk even when he was on top. In contrast, I clearly remember RJJ talking about how tired Usyk looked in the 9th and I just thought, "that might be true, but he also seems to be biding his time, as if he's waiting for his moment more so than being unable to seize it." It was astonishing how little confidence I had in Joshua winning even after I gave him 4 rounds in the 5-9 stretch. It never really felt like he totally seized control of the fight at any point.

-Why was Usyk fighting like the guy who had something to lose in the final 3 rounds, despite being at worst probably down a round at that point? Joshua kind of treated them like any other rounds while Usyk seemed as if he was told he needed to take the fight from Joshua at that point. Just a real lack of urgency that almost makes me want to go back and watch the first Ruiz fight to see if the same thing happened there. It felt as if Usyk was almost saving energy for these rounds while Joshua just...fought his fight, I guess. And the final round...sheesh. Usyk's probably up 3 rounds and he's damn near dancing around Joshua looking for the knockout (and probably would have gotten it if he had 30 more seconds) when Joshua's the one that needs the KO. I'm not sure Joshua ever really got over those first 4 rounds; I think Usyk beat him mentally in those final three rounds as much as physically once he got that second wind.

And the thing is, I don't even think Joshua really fought a terrible fight or anything. He just wasn't going to beat a guy like Usyk with his gameplan. Maybe he has a better chance if he goes to the body more and tries to wear on him with his size, but I'm not sure that's in Joshua's wheelhouse. I can't see Joshua beating Usyk in a rematch, honestly. Too skilled, too fast, too smart, too determined. Maybe Joshua pre-Ruiz KO could do it, but not this guy.

Excellent fight, though. Really loved what both fighters brought to the table here.

Yea I started to think that as well. There was a 3 round stretch where at first I thought Usyk was waning, but then he’d suddenly come right back the next round with all this energy and overwhelm AJ, then next round he’d go right back to waning biding his time. It felt like he could tag Joshua anytime he felt like flipping the switch.

I agree with your overall assessment, it’s a much more articulate description of what I was trying to say earlier regarding the uncertainty around AJ when seeing him vs a skilled boxer.

i.e. It’s not like with Spence or Canelo where even if the opponent has faster hands or seems more skilled/technical, you still know the body shots are a methodical inevitability that either guy will execute with conviction.

With Joshua, he just seems kinda at a loss for a game plan. Or maybe he does but just doesn’t have the tools to execute consistently and then gets discouraged
 

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I assume we can all agree the outcome was no shocker.
AJ got schooled.
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schooled is a strong word...schooled is what canelo got from floyd..a straight wash on the cards..that wasn't this fight..usyk still absorbed plenty of leather from femi and it showed on his face

usyk did outbox and outfight him...he understood the assignment as a grizzled road warrior..femi has very solid technical skills..you dont make the mid fight adjustments he made if you dont but he didnt play to his physical advantages to someone like usyk who has a great technical foundation

with the ruiz loss you can point to him being not where he needed to be physically (something i harped about a lot before that fight) and underestimated ruiz

this loss is different cuz it wasnt his conditioning..his conditioning was fine...he was lean for his size...it took late in the fight for all of usyk's feints and movement to wear him out..his temperament was off (like that post of them taking selfies you tagged me in) as was his game plan for usyk..that where my curiosity is in seeing what femi can do in 5-6 months to rectify what he does in the rematch..is he going to shake up his camp? bring someone new or fresh in?
 

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AJ now fights terrified of his own chin - doesn't seem to want to let his hands go because he's worried of any counter. It seemed like he wobbled on several occasions that Usyk caught him, and I t seems like he's now in his own head.

I think that Wilder would paralyse him with fear of the massive right hand, and would probably see him off. Fury would give him absolute fits.


Yep that Ruiz fight changed him
 

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schooled is a strong word...schooled is what canelo got from floyd..a straight wash on the cards..that wasn't this fight..usyk still absorbed plenty of leather from femi and it showed on his face

usyk did outbox and outfight him...he understood the assignment as a grizzled road warrior..femi has very solid technical skills..you dont make the mid fight adjustments he made if you dont but he didnt play to his physical advantages to someone like usyk who has a great technical foundation

with the ruiz loss you can point to him being not where he needed to be physically (something i harped about a lot before that fight) and underestimated ruiz

this loss is different cuz it wasnt his conditioning..his conditioning was fine...he was lean for his size...it took late in the fight for all of usyk's feints and movement to wear him out..his temperament was off (like that post of them taking selfies you tagged me in) as was his game plan for usyk..that where my curiosity is in seeing what femi can do in 5-6 months to rectify what he does in the rematch..is he going to shake up his camp? bring someone new or fresh in?
A noticeable factor during the fight that AJ couldn't find a way to bully and go for a KO. Usyk dictated the battle, a very good fight. How do you see a rematch?
 
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