9/10 Monday Night RAW Thread: Bret Hart Returns to Montreal, CM Punk & Heyman Connect

[R=G]

Cena burying people is overblown. Besides Wade tha Gawd he doesn't HHH his opponents. Plus those obvious statements is not something most people would put together. KENTA isn't a household name, neither was D Bry's indy gimmick, and Macho Man's stuff is minor. So Cena bringing up these things is fair game and really important to the feud unless you're already an insider. Punk's whole game is to call Cena a phony and a fake kiss ass which alot of people on the outside agree with. So it goes both ways with the obvious.

He didn't bury anyone? He didn't dominate to no end in 2005, 2006, and 2007? They didn't have DX tap out to him back to back WMs? They didn't have Angle almost assassinate his character and credibility to put Cena over the end of 2005 for no real reason considering how fans were so against him? Edge had plenty of momentum after winning the belt in at NYR 06 and got good ratings in the aftermath of ending Cena's reign but they took his ass back down 3 weeks later and put the belt right back in Cena's hands. It took damn near a conspiracy at One Night Stand 2006 for RVD to get that big win....he destroyed the Miz in 2009 over and over and over again. He beat Wade Barrett in like a 4 minute squash match last year like he was a everyday joke. He's never put over Ziggler at all. He's crushed talent after talent.

The only guy he hasn't dominated is the Undertaker and I would say Kane..he doesn't beat him all that much either until this year with that stupid ass storyline that wasted everyone's time.

And sure the statements are not what the causals would get but those smark b*stards in Montreal understand. The thing is..others have to be handicapped so Cena can look good on the mic in any form. He's been killed on the mic by Wade Barrett, Punk, Cripple H, Lita, Edge, Christian, the Rock on a Facebook/Youtube promo no less, Carlito...the guy is a complete overrated joke. That's his format on the mic now. Rant and rave outside of kayfabe to sound more than he is. He's good at that..he's good at memorizing lines in that conjecture but that's it.

 

[StatUS]

He didn't bury anyone? He didn't dominate to no end in 2005, 2006, and 2007? They didn't have DX tap out to him back to back WMs? They didn't have Angle almost assassinate his character and credibility to put Cena over the end of 2005 for no real reason considering how fans were so against him? Edge had plenty of momentum after winning the belt in at NYR 06 and got good ratings in the aftermath of ending Cena's reign but they took his ass back down 3 weeks later and put the belt right back in Cena's hands. It took damn near a conspiracy at One Night Stand 2006 for RVD to get that big win....he destroyed the Miz in 2009 over and over and over again. He beat Wade Barrett in like a 4 minute squash match last year like he was a everyday joke. He's never put over Ziggler at all. He's crushed talent after talent.

The only guy he hasn't dominated is the Undertaker and I would say Kane..he doesn't beat him all that much either until this year with that stupid ass storyline that wasted everyone's time.

I'm pretty sure Michael's and HHH got their wins back later anyway. Edge, RVD, and Angle didn't lose any popularity or influence after feuding with Cena. They're all considered greats no matter what. Miz sucks. Thing is all those guys weren't selling or making money like Cena was at the time. So besides the vocal males in the crowd he was going to keep getting pushed the way they wanted it because no one else was really bringing in anything on that level besides DX and they had to do it as a team. Barrett is the only one who could have done something big and that burial looks bad on the E as a whole.

And sure the statements are not what the causals would get but those smark b*stards in Montreal understand. The thing is..others have to be handicapped so Cena can look good on the mic in any form. He's been killed on the mic by Wade Barrett, Punk, Cripple H, Lita, Edge, Christian, the Rock on a Facebook/Youtube promo no less, Carlito...the guy is a complete overrated joke. That's his format on the mic now. Rant and rave outside of kayfabe to sound more than he is. He's good at that..he's good at memorizing lines in that conjecture but that's it.

Yeah the smarks get it but there's like 4 million other people watching who are just well .....watching.

And I thought it was made official last year that all these promos are scripted to make one look better than the other these days. Nothing is "off the cuff" (pun intended) in this controlled environment. There's very few worked shoot promos anymore.

 

[R=G]

Oh I see..justification is the excuse. Gotcha. Miz was getting over pretty damn big no matter what any troll or fool on this site claims. But it's all for naught anyway. It went right back to the same ol garbage it's been since 2005 and whatever you think Cena is pulling in, it's not enough. They had to bring back Big Show to do a Mayweather payoff because Cena wasn't good enough. They usually run to Taker for WM season but he got depuhed because there was someone who dwarfed him in star power.

And it used to more than the little 4 million they got now. It's been a gradual fall off during the Cena/Punk goofiness.

And some are off script..some aren't. When the Rock murdered John Cena last year in that mountain shyt, they used it for the Punk/Cena signing but they used the comedy portion of what Rock said instead of the character deconstruction that would shyt on Cena's worth as a mainstream top face. They didn't want that aired. But that kind of went hand and hand with most of how they booked Cena against the Rock anyway. "He's a vistor. Cena is the hardest working motherfukker alive. He's ride or die for the WWE." All of that nonsense..that spinning those Republican idiots did and of course it led to thousands of buys less for Mania. Didn't think Vince would sabotage his own shyt but I was definitely 100% wrong about that.

"Be a Star" and "Stand up for the WWE" with Cena front and center while he is right there in the mix with DX coming at Vickie for her weight while Stephanie McMahon, who was so insecure about her post pregancy weight, only wanted to be shot from the titties and up. That's the WWE in 2005 and beyond. A controlled and shaky environment that is stagnant and boring.

 

[CM_Burns]

Cena killed that promo, highlight of the show, I'm sorry

 

[StatUS]

Oh I see..justification is the excuse. Gotcha. Miz was getting over pretty damn big no matter what any troll or fool on this site claims. But it's all for naught anyway. It went right back to the same ol garbage it's been since 2005 and whatever you think Cena is pulling in, it's not enough. They had to bring back Big Show to do a Mayweather payoff because Cena wasn't good enough. They usually run to Taker for WM season but he got depuhed because there was someone who dwarfed him in star power.

And it used to more than the little 4 million they got now. It's been a gradual fall off during the Cena/Punk goofiness.

And some are off script..some aren't. When the Rock murdered John Cena last year in that mountain shyt, they used it for the Punk/Cena signing but they used the comedy portion of what Rock said instead of the character deconstruction that would shyt on Cena's worth as a mainstream top face. They didn't want that aired. But that kind of went hand and hand with most of how they booked Cena against the Rock anyway. "He's a vistor. Cena is the hardest working motherfukker alive. He's ride or die for the WWE." All of that nonsense..that spinning those Republican idiots did and of course it led to thousands of buys less for Mania. Didn't think Vince would sabotage his own shyt but I was definitely 100% wrong about that.

"Be a Star" and "Stand up for the WWE" with Cena front and center while he is right there in the mix with DX coming at Vickie for her weight while Stephanie McMahon, who was so insecure about her post pregancy weight, only wanted to be shot from the titties and up. That's the WWE in 2005 and beyond. A controlled and shaky environment that is stagnant and boring.

Cena's the only guy bringing in any money at a high level. The only other guys to come in that I think could be on that level are Lesnar, Punk, D Bry, and Barrett. Miz is an upper midcarder at best and isn't no where near as talented as Ziggler, Cody or Del Rio.

The E has been losing ratings since 2001. Once the Panda's came and crushed the buildings and the Invasion flopped it was a wrap. wCw ( @ that change) audiences weren't switching over and people didn't like the way it was headed. Face it, the Attitude Era is gonna go down as a 90s fad along with Beanie Babies, Furbies, Yo Yos, and DMX.

 

[R=G]

I don't care what Miz's "talent level" is. Dude was always more over than Dolph fukking Ziggler and Cody Rhodes That's the point. Cena is the most untalented cat alive yet he's over, isn't he? That's Miz. He's perceived to be a lackluster talent but he was on a roll on that mic in 2010 and last year.

The Attitude Era is gonna go down as the most profitable run in history that can't be emulated or copied by pretenders. And the fans let everyone know that all the time.

 

[krackdagawd]

Cena's the only guy bringing in any money at a high level. The only other guys to come in that I think could be on that level are Lesnar, Punk, D Bry, and Barrett. Miz is an upper midcarder at best and isn't no where near as talented as Ziggler, Cody or Del Rio.

The E has been losing ratings since 2001. Once the Panda's came and crushed the buildings and the Invasion flopped it was a wrap. wCw ( @ that change) audiences weren't switching over and people didn't like the way it was headed. Face it, the Attitude Era is gonna go down as a 90s fad along with Beanie Babies, Furbies, Yo Yos, and DMX.

 

[The Push Man]

Yo Yos are due for a comeback any day now, it's gonna be great.

 

[StatUS]

I don't care what Miz's "talent level" is. Dude was always more over than Dolph fukking Ziggler and Cody Rhodes That's the point. Cena is the most untalented cat alive yet he's over, isn't he? That's Miz. He's perceived to be a lackluster talent but he was on a roll on that mic in 2010 and last year.

The Attitude Era is gonna go down as the most profitable run in history that can't be emulated or copied by pretenders. And the fans let everyone know that all the time.

Has Miz ever had a standout match before. And his only promo I remember was when he flipped the mic upside down.

Yeah it was a great time in wrestling but it was a perfect storm. WCW, ECW, Mike Tyson, Screwjob, HBK leaving, Stone Cold getting hot plus the way the way television was shifting towards edgier programming. The stars really aligned for that boom to go down. But at the end of the day it only lasted for about 3 years. That's a fad and it's safe to say that even those who were a top of that era would not be duplicating the same results today.

 

[R=G]

What does stand out matches when it's a work anyway and all that counts is drawing and numbers? The Nexus sold shirts and was as hot as Punk was last year. Did that stop them from having Cena beat Barrett and Gabriel in 45 seconds at the end of Summerslam 2011? Of course not.

ECW didn't do anything for the "boom". They're ideas were implemented better. WCW and the NwO is how things really started. Hogan turned heel with Hall and Nash coming in and fans thought it was a WWF invasion. When Bret got shafted in November 97, McMahon's character had heat on it and Austin was getting the rub of a lifetime from the Mike Tyson confrontation after Rumble 98. They were rolling ever since.

And of course the top guy guys of that day wouldn't mean as much today. It's PG. It's lame. It's backwards. It's not 1980s catering. Silly shyt.

 

[Rarely-Wrong Liggins]

Wait what?? This promo is the same exact thing cena said last year ( even if I lose im headlining wrestlemania speech ) you realize punk and Bret and cena are Boys right?? Bret was just at a event wearing That same shirt bigging up punk and his use of his colors?? They still chanted cm punk during his match and random times .punk had to say he was better than every legend ever Bret hart the attitude era to get booed . He will have to cut a promo shyttinh on Boston to get booed like cena will . You realize wrestling is fake and punk is trying to be a Jericho heel where they boo you right ?? If punk keeps killing cena on the mike what kind of a feud would this be?? Guys like you acting like cena and Bret spit off the dome like Bret randomly hit punk

Punk has called Bret the greatest of all time several times

It's always a work when Cena gets the best of someone. But it's a SHOOT brother when someone sons him.

Yo, between this thread and the Lawler thread, smarks are getting exposed as petty, sexless, sad individuals.

 

[StatUS]

What does stand out matches when it's a work anyway and all that counts is drawing and numbers? The Nexus sold shirts and was as hot as Punk was last year. Did that stop them from having Cena beat Barrett and Gabriel in 45 seconds at the end of Summerslam 2011? Of course not.

ECW didn't do anything for the "boom". They're ideas were implemented better. WCW and the NwO is how things really started. Hogan turned heel with Hall and Nash coming in and fans thought it was a WWF invasion. When Bret got shafted in November 97, McMahon's character had heat on it and Austin was getting the rub of a lifetime from the Mike Tyson confrontation after Rumble 98. They were rolling ever since.

And of course the top guy guys of that day wouldn't mean as much today. It's PG. It's lame. It's backwards. It's not 1980s catering. Silly shyt.

I agree with most of this

Miz is still not worth it though

 

[Premeditated]

Crowd was gonna murder Cena until Punk came out dissing the Hitman. You think Cena's "I'm going to talk like I know everything because I'm the face of this business for no explicable reason" promo made the crowd turn?


This was John Cena's best promo, not because of his performance, but because of his words. Guarantee any legend in the business would've crafted that same promo into some legendary shyt. Cena though...*sigh* the only positive thing you could say about it is that "he's speaking truth right now." shyt, I wouldn't be surprised if Punk gave him some of those things to say...we all know John Boy has been completely corny in the promo department since he dropped the rapper gimmick. Now all of a sudden, we're supposed to believe he has the ability to make a crowd love him off one promo? the nikka hasn't been completely loved since PUNK MADE THE CROWD TURN ON HIM. Stop getting worked you mark

 

[R=G]

Little Richard sounding crazier than usual but he does have a jiggaboo role to continue in a couple of hours. Fitting.

LOL@Cena getting the best of someone. Cena couldn't even get the best of Kevin Federline And of course it's a shoot when anyone kills Cena....their whole career proves it

 

[krackdagawd]

Looks like it's StatUS turn to son r=g this week.