[9/1/18] The Young Bucks and Cody Rhodes Present: "All In" Sponsored by Ed G's tears

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The main event was supposed to be 28 mins and only could go 12 because of the street fight and Marty/Okada going over according to Meltz. That's criminal because the ME even while being cut was the best thing on the card. That 16mins of piff we missed.:mjcry:
 

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The main event was supposed to be 28 mins and only could go 12 because of the street fight and Marty/Okada going over according to Meltz. That's criminal because the ME even while being cut was the best thing on the card. That 16mins of piff we missed.:mjcry:

I give the Janela/Page match a pass, but Okada/Scurill had no business being that long and could have been cut by 10 minutes.
 
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I didn't see this live but I just finished it up, it was a good show with a variety of styles and characters, I fukked it with it. Obviously my favorite matches was always gonna be Omega vs. Penta and then also Okada and Scurrl, both of them delivered. I didn't mind that the main event was rushed, it reminded me of a Nitro 6-man lucha tag. I liked Cody all bloodied and shyt for the NWA title. Women's match was solid too.

Overall they did a great job and the camera work and stage setup was all legit af :obama: :obama:

:salute: to them
 

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Between this tweet, wearing a Lucha Underground shirt, and giving Kevin Owens advice, it would seem that Rocky pays more attention to non-WWE wrestling then we would think.



The Rock really loves the business (not just WWE, the business as a whole); he'll probably be giving props to indy cats 20 years from now.

Also, I'll reiterate another thought I had in the thread: anyone who thinks the last Takeover was better than this is on something. Yeah, it may have had better matches, but matches aren't the only thing that makes a show what it is. All In had a better flow to it (despite being 5 hours. I didn't even notice matches were running long until after Okada/Scrull), better payoffs (HUGELY important when considering the feel of a show), and a better vibe overall (it, at no point, felt like a chore to watch. I can't remember the last time I said that about a WWE affiliated PPV). Sometimes, those qualities are actually far, far more important that mere match quality.

Think about it like this: I watched the Ric Flair/Kerry Von Erich match where Kerry won the belt yesterday. Now, the match itself really wasn't that good (1984 Flair could only do so much with a 24 year old Kerry in an 11 minute match), but it felt huge given the stakes and the payoff of Kerry winning the belt his family spent nearly 3 decades trying to capture. When you have that, how much does match quality really matter?

Another example: We constantly call the first One Night Stand one of the best PPVs ever, right? But were there really any classic matches on that card? In my opinion, no (in fact, that card had the most disappointing Eddie/Benoit match ever on it). But the context and overall feeling of the event makes it what it is, and allows us to understand a bunch of entertaining but merely good matches for what they are: final tributes to what ECW once was and once meant to wrestling. THAT'S what makes that PPV legendary, not the match quality.

Final example: If and when you tell your kids about the Undertaker losing at WrestleMania XXX, are you really going to foreground how mediocre the match was, or are you going to focus on the historic payoff of Lesnar beating the unbeatable Undertaker and the shock the moment registered in the crowd?

I mean, if you think Takeover was better, fine, whatever. But I can't be sure you actually understand what wrestling is really about if you do.
 

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The impact of Lucha Underground in the pro wrestling world is incredibly underrated and ignored way too much. Look at this list of achievements:

Pushed Ricochet as its top face and developed his non-existent character work.
Revitalized the career of John Morrison.
Revived the career of Rey Mysterio Jr.
Turned Judas Mesias from TNA into one of the most legit monsters in wrestling today.
Popularized the likes of Fenix, Pentagon, Drago and Aerostar in the US (with Pentagon now being one of the top stars in the world).
Popularized tons of indie talent such as Willie Mack, Bryan Cage and Matt Cross.
Made inter-gender matches work.
Made Vampiro and Konnan relevant again (maybe too relevant since they'll be facing each other in the ring once more).
Gave Chavo Guerrero (arguably) the best match of his career.

And almost all the above was achieved by only two things: Great booking, and great wrestling!
most of all Lucha Underground found the perfect formula for kayfabe in this era of wrestling. They have plots, characters, matches that matter. They don't rely on their titles to make feuds. They understand they importance of putting money towards production values for vignettes.
 
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Between this tweet, wearing a Lucha Underground shirt, and giving Kevin Owens advice, it would seem that Rocky pays more attention to non-WWE wrestling then we would think.


I don't think he ever stopped paying attention. I remember when he tweeted Bully Ray and James Storm when they each won the world title in TNA too. SMH at people who questioned the GOAT's love for the business over the years. This shyt is in him.
 
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