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You thinking this guy is close to Jordan is
Stay on topic breh. I can explain later why Lebron is to Chris Brown TALENT WISE than he is to MJ which Jordan is comparable to in another thread
8 Reasons Why R&B Has Died In The Black Community
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You thinking this guy is close to Jordan is
Stay on topic breh. I can explain later why Lebron is to Chris Brown TALENT WISE than he is to MJ which Jordan is comparable to in another thread
feelosofer
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To be honest music in general is in kind of a lurch.
You should see that the average CAC has to say about rock music.
Hell even with the issues in R and B, it's low key enjoyed kind of a renaissance.
You should see that the average CAC has to say about rock music.
Hell even with the issues in R and B, it's low key enjoyed kind of a renaissance.
Oh I didn't mean to imply that Brown wasn't talented, but I would not describe him as traditional R&B, although in todays music, he would be considered an R&B star.
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crush_sumpin
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pretty good article, nothing but facts
8 Reasons Why R&B Has Died in the Black Community - Atlanta Black Star
here's the list
1. The Whitewash
2. Too Much Focus on Physical Attributes, Not Enough on Talent
3. Producer-Focused
4. Too Much Sex
5. Artists Too Limited
6. Nobody Is Buying Music Anymore
7. R&B and Hip-Hop Have Coalesced Into a Single Genre
8. Computerized Production
imo, several factors are to be credited, and basically you've covered them all. The lack of a&r at these labels, the white corporations controlling not only major music distribution but the radio stations that play the music.. and this new reality of this generation not studying or appreciating the artists that came before them. But I don't think it's a bad thing: the REAL will NEVER die. Those who appreciate it will keep it alive.
IllmaticDelta
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I disagree with the article. Does that person actually listen to mainstream music/radio?
If so, they would see that R&B didn't go anywhere..it's just that the modern R&B that's hitting top 40 is blurring the lines between true R&B and HIpHop. I have thread on here with modern R&B being made that's not so blended with HipHop that disproves the person that wrote that article
Official thread for current/modern R&B based music that's not being heard by the masses/top 40 radio
If so, they would see that R&B didn't go anywhere..it's just that the modern R&B that's hitting top 40 is blurring the lines between true R&B and HIpHop. I have thread on here with modern R&B being made that's not so blended with HipHop that disproves the person that wrote that articleOfficial thread for current/modern R&B based music that's not being heard by the masses/top 40 radio
crush_sumpin
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wait wait wait..who the fukk said chris brown?? true talent to me is being able to write, produce & perform the music..and make you feel it. Being clever in subject matter as well as delivery..singers cussing like rappers? dancing while lip syncing? this isn't r&b..not traditional r&b anyway. I understand that's what's popular now but chris brown is one dimensional, imo.
IllmaticDelta
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Ronnie Lott
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You do realize that even the great Michael Jackson didn't write all of his music right?
crush_sumpin
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indeed. and I have NO issue with someone not writing, but vocally pulling it off. But Michael Jackson has written songs as well as did vocal arrangements on other records. traditional r&b cannot be compared with whats going on today. I remember when jaheim came out and everyone clamored to him, because of his vocal delivery, but to me that was only because there was no one in that teddy pendergrass lane..remember raheem devaughn's 1st cd? how dope it was..but it was popular enough so he changed his approach..smh
IllmaticDelta
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funk and disco are R&B...before the term disco came along, Soul, Funk, and Jazz (uptempo) were the actual tracks being played at the Disco's
60s/70s were more to the ORIGINAL soul sound
..not really
90s was better than the 80's
Ronnie Lott
#49erGang
Are you saying that there isn't good R&B out now?
crush_sumpin
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even the 80'a new jack swing era was better than this era..and don't tell me keith sweat's first record wasn't classic. hell, even guy's 1st cd, al b sure's 1st cd, today's 1st cd, bobby brown's 2nd cd, come on..
and the 90's r&b was dope not because it was traditional r&b or because the songs were better written or better executed vocally, but because they used loops and breaks that were being used in hip hop at the time
Funk and Disco were offshoots of R&B. R&B is actually much closer to Blues, while Disco and Funk were heading more in the direction of Rock and Roll. I am no musicologist so I don't know where the dividing lines are, but there are and were dividing lines. Look at the career of Johnny Taylor. He went from Gospel, to Blues to R&B to Disco. There were clear dividing lines in the music. Joe Simon is another guy that went through all of those genres and then he went into Country music. Otis Clay is another guy that went through genres.
Btw, some of the 80's music was excellent. Stevie Wonder, Michael Jackson, Luther Vandross, Phyllis Hyman, Freddie Jackson, Kool and The Gang, Prince, Ashford and Simpson, and Stephanie Mills etc., put out excellent R&B songs during that era. Stephanie Mills was great in the 1980's.
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crush_sumpin
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there is..it just doesn't get the exposure. I thought the gourdain banks song was dope..that is until he sold it to chris brown. who do you think?
I don't know where he was in the 1980's; maybe he was drinking or something and didn't hear it all. The 1980's produced excellent R&B music and the Funk was outrageous too.
Anita Baker, Luther Vandross, Patti LaBelle, Bobby Womack, Ashford & Simpson, Freddie Jackson, Stephanie Mills, Michael Jackson, Prince, James Brown, Kool and the Gang, Ray Parker Jr., Chaka Khan, on and on and on. That was the decade that some of those people put out their best work.
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