4/16 PBC on SHO PPV: Errol Spence vs Yordenis Ugas (WBC, WBA, IBF Welterweight Titles unification)

[patscorpio]

Facts, it should be the other way around based off of opposition and hardware

Breh is Spence a 3 weight champion with 2 lineal reigns and an undisputed reign? He has ways to go in comparison to be on that level with Crawford

 

[ChocolateGiddyUp]

Breh is Spence a 3 weight champion with 2 lineal reigns and an undisputed reign? He has ways to go in comparison to be on that level with Crawford

Now do GGG

 

[patscorpio]

Now do GGG

You do Jermall Charlo

i can play that game too lol

 

[R=G]

Breh is Spence a 3 weight champion with 2 lineal reigns and an undisputed reign? He has ways to go in comparison to be on that level with Crawford

Better wins...dudes in here are nuts..lol


Anyway....Spence vs Ugas supposedly did 500k.

 

[patscorpio]

So Lance Pugmire tweeted this PPV did around 240K buys

 

[Black_Jesus]

Better wins...dudes in here are nuts..lol


Anyway....Spence vs Ugas supposedly did 500k.

Who told you this lie?? Derrick James??

 

[Black_Jesus]

So Lance Pugmire tweeted this PPV did around 240K buys

Which means it probably did worse

 

[desjardins]

Which means it probably did worse

Good, anything so the initial split negotiations ain't crazy lopsided and the Bud fight can get made sooner than later

 

[Thatrogueassdiaz]

Breh is Spence a 3 weight champion with 2 lineal reigns and an undisputed reign? He has ways to go in comparison to be on that level with Crawford

Come on now, you yourself have remarked on the level of comp at 140 for Crawford and how the skill level exponentially increased the years following his reign, which waters down his undisputed achievement, though it is still very impressive. I mean I don't see anyone at 140 doing anything to Crawford anyway but fact remains...

His reign at lightweight was more impressive to me.

 

[patscorpio]

Come on now, you yourself have remarked on the level of comp at 140 for Crawford and how the skill level exponentially increased the years following his reign, which waters down his undisputed achievement, though it is still very impressive. I mean I don't see anyone at 140 doing anything to Crawford anyway but fact remains...

His reign at lightweight was more impressive to me.

sounds like you believe spence achieved more breh

and you must be talking about the wrong person..i put respect on Crawford unified 140

 

[Thatrogueassdiaz]

I don't know how Crawford can realistically best Spence, Crawford hits very clean and his defense is somewhat floys like but Spence throws such a high volume Crawford might have issues fighting at such a high pace also with Crawford suspect chin and he rarely gets hit clean I don't know if he can do it. People dislike Errol but in this matchup I think his volume and power will win unless bud can catch his mistakes and punish him often but I don't think buds porblem is there think bud just can't maintain that level of high pace boxing Spence was looking like pac in there with that crazy Mexican pace he was fighting at.

I think if bud prepaces for a stronger porter with longer reach and more stamina he could win but I kinda doubt it.

I really want to see Charlo vs David fight, dislike them Charlo cats big time they talk to crazy.

As much I like Spence he comes off like a mad man at times and ducks his head way too often, he can get touched by a skilled fighter.

You've beautifully articulated what I've been saying in this thread since the tko--Spence is an awful matchup for Crawford, especially at this point in Crawford's career where he might be slowing down.

People are getting caught up in Terrences mystique as being a switch hitting, adjustment making offensive savant, really subconsciously comparing him to Floyd, and attributing his dominance in the same manner. But the difference is Floyd hardly if ever struggled, and especially not in big fights when fighting people at the top level.

The fact remains that Crawford often DOES struggle with fighters at the elite level and throughout his career has had to rely on making adjustments in the later stages of the fight to pull it off. Great examples of this is against the following fighters: Gamboa, Benavidez, Kavalauskas, and Porter.

With fighting Spence, the question becomes can he for 12 rounds handle the constant pressure, workrate, power, strength and skill of Errol Spence. Can he make the adjustments with that kind of fighter who will in fact be turning it on around the stage of the fight Crawford usually adjusts? How will he react when he has zero time to think and have to fight the fight in the trenches? The answer to both questions is dubious at best.

The fight comes down to whether Crawford can hurt Spence enough to hold him off, if he has the endurance and stamina to fight in the trenches, and if his chin can hold up. Like you said when Crawford gets hit flush he gets shaky--and now he will be fighting the most accurate puncher in the division, statistically.

Crawford is 35, fighting a bigger/stronger fighter who is arguably as skilled as he is, never consistently fought the level of comp that would have prepared him for this showdown (#blamebob), doesn't have the best defense and doesn't typically fight on the inside. Objectively speaking, everything on paper points to a Spence win. There are too many ifs with Crawford, and not enough with Spence. Spence either stops him or wins a unanimous decision, in my opinion.

 

[Thatrogueassdiaz]

sounds like you believe spence achieved more breh

and you must be talking about the wrong person..i put respect on Crawford unified 140

You and I literally talked about this in another thread. Anyway I am not saying he has achieved more--he hasnt. It's funny because Spence is very much a victim of his era at welterweight, just like Crawford is a victim of circumstances beyond his control. The difference is Errol has stayed at 147 way too long, because of the bullshyt that went on between Thurman, Brook, Porter and Danny Garcia. But yes, Crawford has achieved more.

 

[Black_Jesus]

Come on now, you yourself have remarked on the level of comp at 140 for Crawford and how the skill level exponentially increased the years following his reign, which waters down his undisputed achievement, though it is still very impressive. I mean I don't see anyone at 140 doing anything to Crawford anyway but fact remains...

His reign at lightweight was more impressive to me.

Sounds like to me all them "high skill level dudes waited for Bud to leave 140

 

[patscorpio]

You and I literally talked about this in another thread. Anyway I am not saying he has achieved more--he hasnt. It's funny because Spence is very much a victim of his era at welterweight, just like Crawford is a victim of circumstances beyond his control. The difference is Errol has stayed at 147 way too long, because of the bullshyt that went on between Thurman, Brook, Porter and Danny Garcia. But yes, Crawford has achieved more.

i agree with all this but that original quote you quoted me was flat out summary of achievements between the 2..if any other active fighter had the accomplishments crawford had they would be talked about as p4p..thats where im saying there is no comparison nor there should be any actual argument about that for the time being

 

[keond]