[4/14/17] TSC Viewing Party Day 2 Presents: Wrestlemania X-7 (8 PM EST)

[Playaz Eyez]

Link?

Don't know why they moved from this theme so fast. Also as far as that other post, I've always tried to think what else they could have done besides a heel turn, and it seems like there was no other way, especially with the soon to be influx of WCW/ECW guys. There were just so many bad decisions. One immediate bad decision was the Booker T interference at KOTR that didn't even lead to Austin losing to Benoit/Jericho made Booker look goofy right off the bat.

 

[Alfred0Santana]

Them being a heel tag team might not be a bad idea if executed right honestly. How do you book something like that though? Both of them turning heel would be long overdue and the way the rock turned is an easy choice if they went that route.

I don't know about the tag team but Cena supposed to be gone for awhile right? Wouldn't be mad at him coming back and giving us a Hollywood Cena heel run like Rock did in 03. Never gonna happen but Cena is the biggest star they could do that with.

 

[Mantis Toboggan M.D.]

Don't know why they moved from this theme so fast. Also as far as that other post, I've always tried to think what else they could have done besides a heel turn, and it seems like there was no other way, especially with the soon to be influx of WCW/ECW guys. There were just so many bad decisions. One immediate bad decision was the Booker T interference at KOTR that didn't even lead to Austin losing to Benoit/Jericho made Booker look goofy right off the bat.

It made even less sense when Austin didn't even defend the title again until summerslam if I recall right. At that point he wasn't really getting in the ring on tv anymore with all the injuries piling up.

 

[luckyse7enz]

Yeah I can definitely see Cena being way over in 2017 against Reigns. Cena would be getting love from smarks and all .

It'd be weird because turning Cena heel, you'd be creating a top baby face. Eventually, you'd need Roman to beat him to pass the torch.

So what do you do? Have a face Roman beat Cena in the Mania rematch?

 

[Alfred0Santana]

It'd be weird because turning Cena heel, you'd be creating a top baby face. Eventually, you'd need Roman to beat him to pass the torch.

So what do you do? Have a face Roman beat Cena in the Mania rematch?

It's tough, I feel like Vince is trying to force Roman to be liked so hard that he done screwed himself. If he would have turned him heel when he had all these chances you have the crowd eating out of your hand like Raw after mania. A great heel in the end will make the face turn that much greater. The damage has been done though.

 

[Alfred0Santana]

It made even less sense when Austin didn't even defend the title again until summerslam if I recall right. At that point he wasn't really getting in the ring on tv anymore with all the injuries piling up.

That Benoit and Austin match they had on Smackdown during this time

 

[WaveMolecules]

it might not have been the right decision to turn austin but it was executed PERFECTLY

 

[NYChase718]

Telling ya'll Cena would get cheered against Roman, especially if his promo game is on point. If Cena teamed up with Vince/HHH with a chair to take Roman down? Please, crowd would be

Vince promo

Im gonna killll him ! Im gonna killl my creaaaatttion ! Meeee and jooooohn ceennnaaaa !

 

[CM_Burns]

Watching this for the 1st time in years, it's biggest strength is there were no dead spots, and that every match was unique and different from the last to keep things fresh (except for the last 2 matches both being brawls with lots of weapons, but no ones gonna not care about Austin vs Rock so it doesn't matter).

 

[CM_Burns]

Brehs help me out on something.... I've always debated exactly when the Attitude Era was officially over. The Attitude Era Podcast says that once WrestleMania 17 ended that it was officially the end.... I say it ended later but I don't know exactly when.

To me it's Fall 99. The higher power was the beginning of the end. Its pretty much what the finger poke was to WCW imo, as far as trying to rehash a great former angle beyond when it shouldve died. That's different from a lot of people, but I think I have it right. This is gonna be long.

To me the Attitude Era wasn't just The Rock or Austin era, it was about pushing the envelope, shocking the audience, crazy wrestling viewership numbers, and having truly cant miss Raws every week.

Vince revealing himself as the higher power might've been the end, or at least the beginning of the end. The fans bought Austin vs Vince 100% for a year, they made Rock into a huge star, made HHH a big baby face, Foley a big face. Then they blew off Austin vs Vince the right way.

But they had the right ideas for things not to fall off then. Rock turning face was necessary, and Vince had to fall back so not to repeat. They somehow, even with Austin and Rock as top faces, built a heel faction that was a severe threat to them. Shane's turn on Vince worked so well that they had Vince getting cheered a month after WM 15. Him leading Undertaker at his most demonic and a good group of goons was getting all time level Raw ratings. They had a match do a 9+ at this time, 11 million viewers.

Then they went back to Austin vs Vince... After a year and a half where everything was unpredictable, exciting, can't miss, never seen before, we go back to the angle they just ran for 15 months and ended perfectly.

2000 on, we basically had seen everything before. A lot of people say the quality was at an all time high, and the roster was, but they were more or less doing Stone Cold vs Vince/Rock with Rock as SC and HHH/Vince/Steph as the new corporation. And it was still hugely popular, but if you check the total wrestling viewers (Nitro/Raw combined) there were like 2 million less people per week watching between summer 99 and Summer 2000.

 

[DaylitoJames]

To me it's Fall 99. The higher power was the beginning of the end. Its pretty much what the finger poke was to WCW imo, as far as trying to rehash a great former angle beyond when it shouldve died. That's different from a lot of people, but I think I have it right. This is gonna be long.

To me the Attitude Era wasn't just The Rock or Austin era, it was about pushing the envelope, shocking the audience, crazy wrestling viewership numbers, and having truly cant miss Raws every week.

Vince revealing himself as the higher power might've been the end, or at least the beginning of the end. The fans bought Austin vs Vince 100% for a year, they made Rock into a huge star, made HHH a big baby face, Foley a big face. Then they blew off Austin vs Vince the right way.

But they had the right ideas for things not to fall off then. Rock turning face was necessary, and Vince had to fall back so not to repeat. They somehow, even with Austin and Rock as top faces, built a heel faction that was a severe threat to them. Shane's turn on Vince worked so well that they had Vince getting cheered a month after WM 15. Him leading Undertaker at his most demonic and a good group of goons was getting all time level Raw ratings. They had a match do a 9+ at this time, 11 million viewers.

Then they went back to Austin vs Vince... After a year and a half where everything was unpredictable, exciting, can't miss, never seen before, we go back to the angle they just ran for 15 months and ended perfectly.

2000 on, we basically had seen everything before. A lot of people say the quality was at an all time high, and the roster was, but they were more or less doing Stone Cold vs Vince/Rock with Rock as SC and HHH/Vince/Steph as the new corporation. And it was still hugely popular, but if you check the total wrestling viewers (Nitro/Raw combined) there were like 2 million less people per week watching between summer 99 and Summer 2000.

This is good shyt breh

 

[Mantis Toboggan M.D.]

To me it's Fall 99. The higher power was the beginning of the end. Its pretty much what the finger poke was to WCW imo, as far as trying to rehash a great former angle beyond when it shouldve died. That's different from a lot of people, but I think I have it right. This is gonna be long.

To me the Attitude Era wasn't just The Rock or Austin era, it was about pushing the envelope, shocking the audience, crazy wrestling viewership numbers, and having truly cant miss Raws every week.

Vince revealing himself as the higher power might've been the end, or at least the beginning of the end. The fans bought Austin vs Vince 100% for a year, they made Rock into a huge star, made HHH a big baby face, Foley a big face. Then they blew off Austin vs Vince the right way.

But they had the right ideas for things not to fall off then. Rock turning face was necessary, and Vince had to fall back so not to repeat. They somehow, even with Austin and Rock as top faces, built a heel faction that was a severe threat to them. Shane's turn on Vince worked so well that they had Vince getting cheered a month after WM 15. Him leading Undertaker at his most demonic and a good group of goons was getting all time level Raw ratings. They had a match do a 9+ at this time, 11 million viewers.

Then they went back to Austin vs Vince... After a year and a half where everything was unpredictable, exciting, can't miss, never seen before, we go back to the angle they just ran for 15 months and ended perfectly.

2000 on, we basically had seen everything before. A lot of people say the quality was at an all time high, and the roster was, but they were more or less doing Stone Cold vs Vince/Rock with Rock as SC and HHH/Vince/Steph as the new corporation. And it was still hugely popular, but if you check the total wrestling viewers (Nitro/Raw combined) there were like 2 million less people per week watching between summer 99 and Summer 2000.

Well put. The whole era was built on trying new things and it did really begin to wind down when Vince was revealed as the higher power and they just rehashed Austin vs McMahon for he summer until that first blood match. Looking back that probably was the beginning of the end.

 

[Playaz Eyez]

^Good posts up there, but for me, Attitude ended at the first brand extension. That was the first official reset button. Long time teams were split up, new ones were formed, and guys were getting gimmick changes. WM X7 may have been what lit the match for the eventual end, but it wasn't the end.

 

[Nero Christ]

The Austin heel turn didn't work in part because Rock left and there was no face as over as he or Austin were to properly feud with Austin. It's at this point (not a year or 2 later) when big time WCW guys should have been brought in. Could you imagine on the Raw after WM17, 2 Man Power Trip is beating down Rock, the lights dim, and Sting appears with his bat, shyt woulda been . But no face was over enough to make Austin's heel turn truly stick and this has reciprocated into what we have now with Cena and Roman.

 

[Mantis Toboggan M.D.]

The Austin heel turn didn't work in part because Rock left and there was no face as over as he or Austin were to properly feud with Austin. It's at this point (not a year or 2 later) when big time WCW guys should have been brought in. Could you imagine on the Raw after WM17, 2 Man Power Trip is beating down Rock, the lights dim, and Sting appears with his bat, shyt woulda been . But no face was over enough to make Austin's heel turn truly stick and this has reciprocated into what we have now with Cena and Roman.

If sting showed up the next night to be the face to go against Austin . Good point on Roman and cena now too. Hard to care when only 1-2 characters are protected and everyone else looks expendable. A lot of wrestlers being protected makes the whole product shine.