2024 U.S. Presidential Election Thread: Donald Trump wins & will return to the White House; GOP wins U.S. Senate & U.S. House

WHO WINS?


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Tony D'Amato

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Dems went from, "Trump is the greatest threat of our lifetimes! :damn:" to, "Oh, he won. Ah well. We'll get em next time. :manny:"
I dont think they even realize how it makes them look. This guy didn't even go to Bidens inauguration and still hasn't admitted defeat in that election. Democrats are just some weak azz b1tches
 

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Dems went from, "Trump is the greatest threat of our lifetimes! :damn:" to, "Oh, he won. Ah well. We'll get em next time. :manny:"

That was always a bad strategy. I don't know where the new admin goes. at all. but that was never a winning electorate strategy, and that was what Jen O Malley Dylan was pushing. For Harris, and for Biden before. When she did that speech at the Ellipse, I thought that was out of touch with voters she needed.
 

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I'm not doing a bunch of quoting and this will be my last response. Y'all are saying stop Trump by becoming a dictatorship. :dead:
If the Democrats were being honest in their messaging, then breaking the rules of democracy and invalidating Trump's win by any means would be a logically and morally consistent approach to saving democracy. You are under no obligation to allow the fox into the hen house if your primary goal is saving the hens. The problem is, the Democrats were completely full of shyt when they were calling Trump a fascist and fear mongering about how he will bring about the end of American democracy. They didn't believe it for a second. They were selling wolf tickets to fundraise from their scared base. All the anti-Trump stuff is kayfabe. Democrats don't care about American society, they care about situating themselves in the toll road of political graft and corruption that is Washington, DC. Their primary concern is losing opportunities for their lobbying network, not any hifalutin notion of American democracy.
 

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Pure spinelessness. Liberals always capitulate to fascism. It happened in Nazi Germany and its happening now.
Half the country voted for Republicans not named Trump willingly.

The Democrats ain’t got crap to do with it.

You aren’t going to be able to force(not vote) Trump unless a large number of that half agree to it without taking up arms.

Jan 6 and two assassinations say we are going to need to break that side down.
 

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That's doesn't mean much.

There have always been non-white people that vote for white supremacy for various reasons.
It would depend on your definition of white supremacy. There's a more nuanced definition that would account for what you're saying, but it would also mean that you could attribute Barack Obama's election to white supremacy. People in here and the broader political discourse right now aren't using the term in that way, they're saying Donald Trump won because he promised to return America to Jim Crow, and that's tough to gel with the fact he won with the most racially diverse coalition in modern Republican history. Turning to racism as the primary explanatory factor would require you to posit that millions of black and brown people are for the first time consciously voting for their own explicit immiseration (the mass delusion argument). A far more sensible rationale backed by data is that the Kamala/Biden campaign left the door open for a massive realignment of the multi-racial working class to Trump on non-racial grounds, be it economic or personality.



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If the Democrats were being honest in their messaging, then breaking the rules of democracy and invalidating Trump's win by any means would be a logically and morally consistent approach to saving democracy. You are under no obligation to allow the fox into the hen house if your primary goal is saving the hens. The problem is, the Democrats were completely full of shyt when they were calling Trump a fascist and fear mongering about how he will bring about the end of American democracy. They didn't believe it for a second. They were selling wolf tickets to fundraise from their scared base. All the anti-Trump stuff is kayfabe. Democrats don't care about American society, they care about situating themselves in the toll road of political graft and corruption that is Washington, DC. Their primary concern is losing opportunities for their lobbying network, not any hifalutin notion of American democracy.
So you don’t believe Trump is a threat to democracy in subsequent elections?

What if Trump forces states to connect voting machines to starlink going forward hypothetically?
 

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It would depend on your definition of white supremacy. There's a more nuanced definition that would account for what you're saying, but it would also mean that you could attribute Barack Obama's election to white supremacy. People in here and the broader political discourse right now aren't using the term in that way, they're saying Donald Trump won because he promised to return America to Jim Crow, and that's tough to gel with the fact he won with the most racially diverse coalition in modern Republican history. Turning to racism as the primary explanatory factor would require you to posit that millions of black and brown people are for the first time consciously voting for their own explicit immiseration (the mass delusion argument).

The thing is, Trump's actual agenda itself is white supremacist. So his voters voted for that whether knowingly or not.

We could go into various reasons why some minorities voted that way (some are socially conservative, some are religious, some are sexist, some are brainwashed by social media and on an anti woke crusade, some think they're white, etc.) but that's not really the point.
 

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Dems went from, "Trump is the greatest threat of our lifetimes! :damn:" to, "Oh, he won. Ah well. We'll get em next time. :manny:"
You think panicking would help.

The history books are written Everyone knows which side AOC was on and what she said.

The military people who tried to kill Hitler aren’t getting federal holidays.

When the moment comes be ready.
 
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