2024 U.S. Presidential Election Thread: Donald Trump wins & will return to the White House; GOP wins U.S. Senate & U.S. House

[wire28]

@mastermind was complaining about inflation while at the same time Biden was passing progressive stimulus which aided to the inflation. Dude is not a serious person and just wants to complain.

Biden was the most pro-working class President since FDR and the working class completely shat on him for a fat cat con artist

The republicans just shot and killed my dog - working class American citizen

Sit down and let me tell you why it was actually the neoliberal corporate dem establishments fault that your dog is dead - smooth mind

 

[Pressure]

@mastermind was complaining about inflation while at the same time Biden was passing progressive stimulus which aided to the inflation. Dude is not a serious person and just wants to complain.

Biden was the most pro-working class President since FDR and the working class completely shat on him for a fat cat con artist

Dems are basically like paying off debt or a tax return.

After it happens, folks go right back to their old habits.

 

[Loose]

@mastermind was complaining about inflation while at the same time Biden was passing progressive stimulus which aided to the inflation. Dude is not a serious person and just wants to complain.

Biden was the most pro-working class President since FDR and the working class completely shat on him for a fat cat con artist

None of that aided people at the bottom. Their was several things out of the pandemic that helped people at the bottom... but biden administration got rid of them and told everyday workers get back to work.

Biden-everythings good now *snaps whip*

 

[King Kreole]

I hate to sound elitist, but you cannot address the structural problems in electoral politics without talking about how uninformed and ignorant that most Americans are about their government. This is an argument I was having with @King Kreole a few days before the election.

How is it possible that working class Americans think that the GOP is the Party working towards their best interests?

• This is not a defense of Democrats. All politicians are to some extent corrupt, and the Democratic Party has also been captured by corporate interests.

Looking at the last 90 years of governance (a period I would consider the modern period of the Presidency), outside of Eisenhower and Nixon, what have any Republican Presidents done to make the lives of everyday, working class Americans better? Keep in mind that Eisenhower and Nixon were heavily influenced by FDR and New Deal policies in the same way Obama and Clinton were influenced by Reagan-ite neo-liberal policies:

Social Security- Democratic President/Congress
NLRA- Major unionizing protection law- Democratic President/Congress
Medicare- Democratic President/Congress
Medicaid- Democratic President/Congress
Obamacare- Democratic President/Congress
OSHA (worker's safety)- Nixon, who never had a Republican Senate/House
EPA- Nixon, who never had a Republican Senate/House

Yes, NAFTA was signed by Bill Clinton, but if I'm remembering correctly, this was the brainchild of Reagan then HW, and voted for by more Republicans than Dems in Congress.

After the Nixon Presidency, what exactly have Republicans done to make the lives of working people better? (I'm asking this humbly, because maybe some of you know something I don't)

How can the modern day Republican Party possibly be perceived as the Party that's for the working class by anyone other than a numbskull? Why, because they don't say things like "LatinX" and they want to push trans people out of open society?

I don't remember the exact contours of our argument, but I seem to remember the disagreement being centered not on whether the American public/electorate are stupid (I have long said Americans are some of the most ignorant, propagandized people on the planet), but rather what do we do with this fact. I believe it is on political leaders to guide the public to a better place, not just respond to their currently stated wishes on some "the customer is always right!" tip. That concept is distinctly a product of the Democratic/Liberal Third Way Triangulation of the 1990s in the US and UK, bringing post-Cold War consumer capitalist thinking as a framework to respond to the Reagan/Thatcher thrashing of the left. And all it has done is further cemented right wing gains and let them define the Overton window.

As for the central question of your post, working class Americans think the GOP is the party of the working class because they're the only ones willing to wear that mask anymore. Democrats abandoned that mask when they made a concerted and deliberate choice to become the party of the metropolitan global elite for their neoliberal orientation, replete with all the animosity and hostility towards the lower class. This is a cultural analysis, not a policy analysis, because American elections are currently won on culture and spectacle, not policy. The Democrats have adopted a fundamental, structural analysis of the country that requires cultural disdain for the underclass. Trump accelerated this phenomenon. When he says some ignorant bullshyt and Democrats and their media scold him for it, it just solidifies the us vs them dichotomy. American politics/culture is a reactionary game now. Trump pisses off the elite lib strivers who are proud of going to elite schools and successfully climbing the economic and cultural ladder, so he gets coded as good for the people who don't identify with the Lib Striver game.

 

[The_Unchosen_One]

The republicans just shot and killed my dog - working class American citizen

Sit down and let me tell you why it was actually the neoliberal corporate dem establishments fault that your dog is dead - smooth mind

Well with Kristi Noem as HHS... Dogs are a national threat

 

[Spidey Man]

Happy to be the 40%

It angers me to no end that 60% voted for him. I can't wait for ICE to throw you out, and I don't wanna hear anybody cry when the next hurricane hits and he hands out paper towels.

 

[wire28]

Well with Kristi Noem as HHS... Dogs are a national threat

Lol I forgot about that shyt

 

[MAKAVELI25]

I don't remember the exact contours of our argument, but I seem to remember the disagreement being centered not on whether the American public/electorate are stupid (I have long said Americans are some of the most ignorant, propagandized people on the planet), but rather what do we do with this fact. I believe it is on political leaders to guide the public to a better place, not just respond to their currently stated wishes on some "the customer is always right!" tip. That concept is distinctly a product of the Democratic/Liberal Third Way Triangulation of the 1990s in the US and UK, bringing post-Cold War consumer capitalist thinking as a framework to respond to the Reagan/Thatcher thrashing of the left. And all it has done is further cemented right wing gains and let them define the Overton window.

• As for the central question of your post, working class Americans think the GOP is the party of the working class because they're the only ones willing to wear that mask anymore. Democrats abandoned that mask when they made a concerted and deliberate choice to become the party of the metropolitan global elite for their neoliberal orientation, replete with all the animosity and hostility towards the lower class. This is a cultural analysis, not a policy analysis, because American elections are currently won on culture and spectacle, not policy. The Democrats have adopted a fundamental, structural analysis of the country that requires cultural disdain for the underclass. Trump accelerated this phenomenon. When he says some ignorant bullshyt and Democrats and their media scold him for it, it just solidifies the us vs them dichotomy. American politics/culture is a reactionary game now. Trump pisses off the elite lib strivers who are proud of going to elite schools and successfully climbing the economic and cultural ladder, so he gets coded as good for the people who don't identify with the Lib Striver game.

Can you elaborate on some of the ways that you think Democrats, or their manner, express cultural disdain for the underclass?

Also, what does it say about the population that Trump saying ignorant shyt makes them feel like he is one of them rather than repulses them? I know you've already admitted that Americans are ignorant, but how are people that are not only attracted to his repugnant behavior and style, but also want that in the Oval Office, supposed to be led away from that?

You're talking about a male population that sees clowns like Andrew Tate and Joe Rogan as thought leaders. It's a truism that politics flows downstream from culture, I feel like you (and all of us) are speaking to issues concerning a broken culture that cannot be fixed by politicians.

 

[Pull Up the Roots]

I really wish people would stop saying "Democrats abandoned the working class." I am a Black skilled tradesman. Many of my relatives, neighbors, and acquaintances are blue-collar, working-class people, and we don't see this. Can we at least be honest when we talk about the "working class" and what that really means in these conversations?

 

[wire28]

I really wish people would stop saying "Democrats abandoned the working class." I am a Black skilled tradesman. Many of my relatives, neighbors, and acquaintances are blue-collar, working-class people, and we don't see this. Can we at least be honest when we talk about the "working class" and what that really means in these conversations?

Doesn’t really fit my agenda, so no

 

[RickyGQ]

A fukking joke.

 

[MAKAVELI25]

A fukking joke.

The nikka will be nominating Pete Hegseth (from Fox News) for Defense Secretary.

I can't believe I left Nigeria for this shyt

 

[Spidey Man]

A fukking joke.

I hope he ODs.

 

[cobra]

based on trump's neocon picks, looks like this administration will be Bush 3.0

 

[Jesus H. Christ]

I really wish people would stop saying "Democrats abandoned the working class." I am a Black skilled tradesman. Many of my relatives, neighbors, and acquaintances are blue-collar, working-class people, and we don't see this. Can we at least be honest when we talk about the "working class" and what that really means in these conversations?

Joe Manchin (D-West Virginia)

Kyrsten Sinema (D-Arizona)

Jon Tester (D-Montana)

Jeanne Shaheen (D-New Hampshire)

Maggie Hassan (D-New Hampshire)

Chris c00ns (D-Delaware)

Tom Carper (D-Delaware)

Angus King (I-Maine), an Independent who caucuses with the Democrats

When you vote against doing the bare minimum (no pun intended) and it happens to be the Dems. I'm going to shyt on them even more. Then they wonder why working class is getting away from them.

How about the build back better plan that was watered by corporate Dems and do stupid shyt like this



Literally playing into the stereotype that Democrats are elites and don't care about the working class.

Initially it was going to be a $3.5 trillion investment and it was narrowed down to $1.5 trillion. In the end the bill ended up being a corporate give away (surprise, surprise)

With the following provisions killed by corporate dems

1. Universal Pre-K and Child Care
2. Paid Family and Medical Leave
3. Free Community College
4. Affordable Housing
5. Medicare Expansion
6. Climate Initiatives
7. Child Tax Credit Extension
8. Healthcare Subsidies

All of these things are popular with Americans. When the corporate Dems kill things like this, don't turn around and wonder why the working class get frustrated and desperately looking for answers to MAGA (which by the way is an awful solution of politicians to seek answers to)