2021 USA Basketball @ Tokyo Olympics

[ISO]

Breh.....Niqqas continue to sleep on the greatness of that team.

My all time favorite. When Durant and Melo were cooking.....

They shot over 50% from 3 in the Olympics.

 

[NYC Rebel]

They shot over 50% from 3 in the Olympics.

That shyt was incredible. Had teams bewildered.

 

[GOAT]

the film of mj torching slow white dudes 1on1 because of the illegal defense rules? ya everybody seen those saying youre using the eye test for watching mj flame broil craig ehlo is not helping your case when kobe was actually going against legit superstar wings on offense and defense throughout his career. acting like everyone in the modern world cant see these 80s and 90s games like youre special for seeing it live

this retard swears up and down he's winning the argument and that he's played competitive basketball before but keeps trying to say that scrimmages dont matter because theyre just practice. telling me that 11 HOF just laid down all their competitive instincts that got them where they were, that the most insane competitor of all time mj lost to college kids because they werent trying were they trying in the intra-squad scrimmage they had team magic v team jordan or were they just fukking around because it was just practice. any scrimmages for any team worth a shyt at any level will be competitive and heated. and this is how i know you never played any level of ball in your life, you probably grew up in the era of participation trophies too

you list only centers when we're talking about bigs because you dont wanna talk about duncan kg and dirk. but then you list SF's when you're talking about MJ's competition when hes a guard. you thought you were slick but that list looking real flabby when you take out the players whose natural positions are sf that pippen wouldve drawn as a matchup

when you say ewing would dominate a roleplayer like chandler, let me ask you this, is former dpoy chandler better or worse than the super-tandem of luc longley and bill cartwright that strapped ewing up in the 91 playoffs? a little later in ewing's career when he had more experience and a better team around him, why did he shoot 42% in game 7 of 1994 ecf against longley and cartwright instead of dominating those roleplayers like an elite post should? why did he shoot 41% against the monster defensive duo of prime john salley and 35 year old laimbeer in 1992? could it be because you're a dikkriding casual who doesnt understand the nuances of team defense and how they affect post players in particular and that in the paint especially, not everything is a straight 1on1 matchup? for someone who claims to have been watching all this basketball in the 90s you sure dont have a basic grasp of one of the criticisms of ewing's game being his reliance on jumpers which led to a drop of 50% FG in the regular ssn to 47% in the playoffs. in comparison hakeem was doing 53% in the playoffs and 51% in season.


now onto d-rob. this one will be quick. how good is former dpoy tyson chandler compared to felton spencer and why was felton spencer holding d-rob to 41% shooting in the 94 offs fast forward to 98, again taking the L to utah, how did elite big greg foster put d-rob in jail to the tune of 40% shooting the 48% playoff FG compared to 51% season FG tells us what we need to know

in summation, elite post players john salley, bill laimbeer, luc longley, bill cartwright, felton spencer, and greg foster are able to hold elite post players ewing and d-rob to mediocre/bad playoff series, but former dpoy tyson chandler cant do that for 1 game. got u breh, say no more

bron, kobe, kidd, cp3, dwight are some of the best defenders ever at their position with wade having multiple all-defense nods so im not sure where youre trying to go with that

on the 2012 squad they got bron kobe cp3 chandler, iggy has multiple all-defense nods too


i keep bringing up tatum because he's the reason you deflected to talking about the dream team after your dumb ass take that any coach k led usa team could beat prime spain. i let that slide but im happy to continue exposing your lack of basketball knowledge if you like. lemme know when you wanna throw the towel

So...basically you want to discount stats AND film when comparing players historically? So what do we base the stuff on? Just say you don't know basketball and save yourself from further embarrassment. There is no version of Kobe that is fukking with prime Mike. Case closed.

Everybody can see those tapes. You just don't happen to be one of them who has. And it shines through with every post you make

The fact that you think the scrimmages thing is a "competitive nature" issue further illustrates you don't have a clue what you're talking about and have never participated in a practice for an organized sport in your life. It's not equivalent whatsoever to a game and anyone who has played could tell you that. Suggesting one team is better than another based on what took place in a scrimmage is so laughable it's beyond comprehension. I've argued with idiots who don't have much knowledge of the game, but this is beyond anything I've ever encountered.

@ handpicking at basketball reference box scores to try to paint a picture of how Ewing and Robinson would somehow being at a disadvantage against Tyson Chandler. Those team's entire defense was keyed in on Ewing and Robinson in those games. They literally didn't play with a single other great offensive player during those years (except for the post prime D-Rob season you included to be disingenuous). How do you think that would work out with the Dream Team? Go ahead and key in on Ewing and Robinson defensively. See what that gets you lol. And the fact that you refuse to even acknowledge that there are two sides to the floor and those guys are elite defensive bigs and all time rim protectors goes to show how little you understand about basketball and how surface level your knowledge of the game is.

I listed centers because the original point I made was that Dwight played in the worst era for centers in modern basketball history. That's the whole point of contention here. And then I listed "wings" because those were literally YOUR WORDS Dumb fukk.

you talk about dwight being in a weak era lets talk about how garbage the wings were in mj era. we can go there if you want

You can't even keep up with your own bullshyt arguments. And even if I took all the SFs off that list and just kept the SGs, Jordan still played much stiffer competition at that position than Dwight did at center in his prime. Either way your dumb ass is wrong. There is no argument for any position Jordan played at being weaker than the center position in Dwight's prime years at all.

Cool, and yet the Dream Team is still better defensively. They have multiple guys who were DPOY, who made all first team defense, who hold defensive records, and who led some of the best defensive teams ever. But go ahead and tell the people how Tyson Chandler and Jason Kidd are somehow anywhere on that level of defensive impact.

Nah, you're bringing up Tatum because you're desperate for an out and you think I'm somehow gonna get sidetracked taking offense to what some dumbass with no basketball knowledge says about him

 

[Saysumthinfunnymike]

with a prime Pau or Marc this game is different.

different in that Spain would have won. i keep waiting for the USA to dominate a real opponent to show their strength. Maybe in the semis..

 

[GOAT]

I post about that 2012 team every year. They are my favorite Olympic team ever and as the years go by, they are going to have all hall of famers on that squad.

When Durant and Melo started cooking from deep. Team Blackout....

There are at least three guys on the team with not a snowball's chance in hell at the HOF and at least two more who are borderline AT BEST (and that's only because the basketball HOF is the easiest to get into).

 

[ISO]

@GOAT

Mike paved the way for Kobe and the next generation. In his era he never faced a beast like Kobe head to head point blank.

Clyde Drexler dribbled with his head down, John Starks was 6’2, Reggie Miller came off screens all day.

Do not underestimate the evolution of the game and the rule differences. Kobe would have an easier time scoring in the 80’s pre-zone, facing smaller SG’s on average, playing at a faster pace than he did in the 00’s.

The main advantage the 2012 team has is the cheat codes that are Durant and Carmelo in international play who took deep threes well beyond the Olympic line at an over 50% clip. U can’t beat a team that shoots that well and these guys were godly above the break especially in transition from the wing. Then you had LeBron being a hyper efficient jack of all trades playing in spacing with multiple ball handlers.

 

[Jplaya2023]

I got 2012 over 1992.

I mean LeBron, Kobe, Durant, Melo all on the same team? That’s a cheat code the floor spacing is just

 

[Jplaya2023]

 

[ISO]

 

[Jplaya2023]

Not at all

08>>12 thpugh

 

[GOAT]

@GOAT

Mike paved the way for Kobe and the next generation. In his era he never faced a beast like Kobe head to head point blank.

Clyde Drexler dribbled with his head down, John Starks was 6’2, Reggie Miller came off screens all day.

Do not underestimate the evolution of the game and the rule differences. Kobe would have an easier time scoring in the 80’s pre-zone, facing smaller SG’s on average, playing at a faster pace than he did in the 00’s.

The main advantage the 2012 team has is the cheat codes that are Durant and Carmelo in international play who took deep threes well beyond the Olympic line at an over 50% clip. U can’t beat a team that shoots that well and these guys were godly above the break especially in transition from the wing. Then you had LeBron being a hyper efficient jack of all trades playing in spacing with multiple ball handlers.

So you're arguing prime Kobe > prime Jordan? If not, miss me with all that "evolution" bullshyt and 'rule changes'. Jordan put up better scoring numbers on better efficiency in the slower paced 90s than Kobe did in the '04-'10 post hand checking era and his Playoff numbers are even better. And he was better defensively on top of it.

And Drexler was good for 25+ a night on solid efficiency during his prime years while leading teams to the Finals. You say Reggie "came off screens all day" like that isn't incredibly hard to guard. A guy running perpetually off the ball who you know you can't give any space whatsoever for the jumper? You think that's a point in your favor? Ray Allen was the same way, and I personally watched him light Kobe up a few times to the point where they had to hide him on Rondo.

And the Dream Team would dominate the middle on both ends and had very good shooting in their own right. Highlighting one team's strength over the other while ignoring other aspects of the game is not going to win you the argument.

I'm not going to categorize you with that other dude, because from what I've seen here and there you seem to have knowledge of the game. I know you're a Bron stan though so the objectivity in this discussion just isn't there

 

[ISO]

So you're arguing prime Kobe > prime Jordan? If not, miss me with all that "evolution" bullshyt and 'rule changes'. Jordan put up better scoring numbers on better efficiency in the slower paced 90s than Kobe did in the '04-'10 post hand checking era and his Playoff numbers are even better. And he was better defensively on top of it.

And Drexler was good for 25+ a night on solid efficiency during his prime years while leading teams to the Finals. You say Reggie "came off screens all day" that isn't incredibly hard to guard. A guy running perpetually off the ball who you know you can't give any space whatsoever for the jumper? You think that's a point in your favor? Ray Allen was the same way, and I personally watched him light Kobe up a few times to the point where they had to hide him on Rondo.

And the Dream Team would dominate the middle on both ends and had very good shooting in their own right. Highlighting one team's strength over the other while ignoring other aspects of the game is not going to win you the argument.

I'm not going to categorize you with that other dude, because from what I've seen here and there you seem to have knowledge of the game. I know you're a Bron stan though so the objectivity in this discussion just isn't there

The early 90’s were much faster paced than Kobe’s prime years in the 2000’s.

The pace lowered in the mid to late 90’s. That was still pre-zone and with a shortened three point line in two of those seasons so it still wouldn’t be a good comparison. I’m not arguing Kobe>Jordan. I’m arguing Jordan never faced anything like prime Kobe in those years. He never faced a guy like that to make him work on both ends or a guy with that type of prolific scoring ability. I’m also arguing that Kobe would score more and score more efficiently in the 80’s and 90’s.

No disrespect to Ray or Reggie or guys of that ilk but it’s tougher guarding a Kobe or Dwyane Wade. That’s why Steph is so tough because he’s elite on and off the ball.

 

[NYC Rebel]

Not at all

08>>12 thpugh

Mr. “Im here to save the 90s” makes his usual appearance

 

[Jplaya2023]

Mr. “Im here to save the 90s” makes his usual appearance

Well i didnt know 2008 was in the 90s but ok.

Its lox and dipset time. You watching

 

[im not you]

So...basically you want to discount stats AND film when comparing players historically? So what do we base the stuff on? Just say you don't know basketball and save yourself from further embarrassment. There is no version of Kobe that is fukking with prime Mike. Case closed.

Everybody can see those tapes. You just don't happen to be one of them who has. And it shines through with every post you make

The fact that you think the scrimmages thing is a "competitive nature" issue further illustrates you don't have a clue what you're talking about and have never participated in a practice for an organized sport in your life. It's not equivalent whatsoever to a game and anyone who has played could tell you that. Suggesting one team is better than another based on what took place in a scrimmage is so laughable it's beyond comprehension. I've argued with idiots who don't have much knowledge of the game, but this is beyond anything I've ever encountered.

@ handpicking at basketball reference box scores to try to paint a picture of how Ewing and Robinson would somehow being at a disadvantage against Tyson Chandler. Those team's entire defense was keyed in on Ewing and Robinson in those games. They literally didn't play with a single other great offensive player during those years (except for the post prime D-Rob season you included to be disingenuous). How do you think that would work out with the Dream Team? Go ahead and key in on Ewing and Robinson defensively. See what that gets you lol. And the fact that you refuse to even acknowledge that there are two sides to the floor and those guys are elite defensive bigs and all time rim protectors goes to show how little you understand about basketball and how surface level your knowledge of the game is.

I listed centers because the original point I made was that Dwight played in the worst era for centers in modern basketball history. That's the whole point of contention here. And then I listed "wings" because those were literally YOUR WORDS Dumb fukk.



You can't even keep up with your own bullshyt arguments. And even if I took all the SFs off that list and just kept the SGs, Jordan still played much stiffer competition at that position than Dwight did at center in his prime. Either way your dumb ass is wrong. There is no argument for any position Jordan played at being weaker than the center position in Dwight's prime years at all.

Cool, and yet the Dream Team is still better defensively. They have multiple guys who were DPOY, who made all first team defense, who hold defensive records, and who led some of the best defensive teams ever. But go ahead and tell the people how Tyson Chandler and Jason Kidd are somehow anywhere on that level of defensive impact.

Nah, you're bringing up Tatum because you're desperate for an out and you think I'm somehow gonna get sidetracked taking offense to what some dumbass with no basketball knowledge says about him

my god you are retarded youre stuck making some sort of all-time historical strawman argument about mj and kobe's placing on the GOAT rankings when we're talking about what would happen in a game. nobody is saying kobe is BETTER but he can hang and go toe to toe with mj which is what I've been saying this whole time.

to put this into words your simplistic dikkriding casual basketball mind can comprehend, its the same reason why pierce isnt on brons level but was able to go toe to toe with him in multiple playoff series except the gap between pierce/bron is much wider compared to kobe/mj. oh but eye test and stats

saying im discounting film when i clearly said i used the eye test and i wasnt moved by the quality of competition nor the defensive tactics in comparison to what kobe faced. boy the education system failed u so bad your parents need to ask the government for a tax refund

we seem to be going in circles on this issue but here: The Dream Team’s Intrasquad Scrimmage in Monte Carlo - The Global Herald was this scrimmage not competitive because it took place in practice?

"In many ways," he said, "it was the best game I was ever in. Because the gym was locked and it was just about basketball. You saw a lot about players' DNA, how much some guys want to win. Magic was mad about it for two days."

look what mj had to say about a scrimmage. oh but the goat don't know shyt about basketball and never played it in his life because he takes scrimmages seriously right so heres the part where you can tell me the dream team beating up on angola is more meaningful than this intrasquad scrimmage because one was a game and the other was practice

you are STILL so pressed that you have to resort to arguing against shyt I never said. quote me where I said the college team was better than the dream team. i said they beat them fair and square in a competitive scrimmage and that means that the dream team can get got rather than your dikksucking casual take that the dream team was invincible and wins against any team no matter what. especially against teams with their rosters filled with hof talent as well.

ANOTHER strawman you cant make this shyt up how are you so bad at debating that you're putting words in my mouth and arguing with yourself with every point you make? point me to where I said ewing or Robinson would be at a disadvantage against chandler, please.

Even suggesting Chandler would hold his own in anyway is a laughable take.

i talked about high-leverage game situations and whole playoff series where roleplayers held their own against those two rather than your over-simplistic take that ewing and d-rob are so much better than chandler therefore they will dominate him on both ends a former dpoy tyson chandler holding his own on defense is inconceivable but not when greg foster does it for a whole playoff series. the 90s dikkriding is off the chain

a 32 year old d-rob putting up 22/11 on 51% shooting as the 2nd fiddle to duncan on a 56 win team is past his prime. ok lil buddy as I've been saying over and over, ewing and d-rob can be stopped, and they were stopped by players much worse than tyson chandler in the playoffs specifically because of their jumpshooting playstyle. you claim to be all up on 90s ball but somehow never heard of these criticisms of Robinson and ewing, as great as they were, they could never really get it done.

not only are you constantly making up strawman arguments, you're now ignoring things I've already said to rebut your dumbass points tell me what use elite rim protection is against some of the best midrange scorers the game's ever seen? tell me what this elite rim protection gets you when ewing gets caught on a switch having to guard kobe in space? what happens when bron trucks d-rob at the rim over and over and puts him in foul trouble because he outweighs dude by 40 lbs? d-rob and ewing were GREAT defenders but they are going against the best offensive players ever. your view of the game is so simplistic that it beggars belief, for someone that claims to know about basketball, you sure talk like a huge casual

Comparing the talent level of wings in the 80s-90s to late 00s-early 10s bigs

literally going off what you said lil buddy, duncan dirk and KG are bigs that dwight guarded. duncan or KG >>> ANY SG or SF in mj's prime

once again proving youre a dikksucking prisoner of nostalgia. if you really want to talk ball let's talk about how some of the best perimeter defenders ever would swarm and make life hell for the dream team wings, backed up by one of the best help defenders and rim protectors in nba history in dwight who won 3 straight dpoy these arent your athletes of the 90s we're talking about here

speaking of all-time defenders, let's talk about some of the guys who would play significant minutes for the dream team. who is barkley guarding in a scenario where the 08 team puts out dwight-bron-melo-kobe-wade? who is mullin guarding? stockton won multiple all-defense awards but who is he able to check that's not going to blow by him or shoot over him? its almost like team defense and matchups matter more in the real world than whatever hyperbolic situation you make up in your head where the dream team rolls over any and all competition because 'better offense and defense' and anyone saying otherwise doesn't know what they're talking about

I don't need any out. you're getting tortured out here, its so sad to see so infuriated that tatum can't get any burn on the worst olympic team since 2004 that you had to go off on a wild tangent to deflect off it and now you're trying to cover your tracks with nonstop strawman arguments and ridiculous hyperbole hate to see it