2021 USA Basketball @ Tokyo Olympics

[Cladyclad]

2012 is washing any basketball team

 

[GOAT]

talking to this kid is literally like trying to argue with someone autistic. lost in his own world, making shyt up, ignoring shyt I say when it suits him, and only dealing in absolutes so ill keep this terse and to the point since I feel like I'm abusing the disabled at this point. ill even put the shyt you made up or ignored in quotes so it'll be easier for your remedial ass to follow

Translation: " I'm getting cooked and my feeble arguments have repeatedly been shut down and my attempts to pivot the discussion to Tatum as an out are not working, so I gotta find another way out. Your lack of basketball knowledge has been thoroughly exposed. Sorry.

how am I backtracking when that was the point I was making since the beginning and I never strayed from it going toe to toe is a common expression in sports when you're talking about head to head matchups, lil buddy. put it any other way, it means the same thing





anyone who truly understands basketball knows there is a gap between prime bron and prime pierce. so how did pierce score 41 to bron's 45 to close the cavs out in a game 7 win if all it takes is knowing that bron is better than pierce isn't it a foregone conclusion that bron will son pierce easily with no debate according to your logic

Going from arguing that '08 Kobe (When we were discussing '12 vs '92. again, conflating '08 and '12 because you can't make a strong enough argument against the dream team without combining Olympic teams) and Jordan was some kind of neck and neck matchup to " I didn't say he was better. All I said was he can HANG with Mike". Seems like backtracking to me. You don't even believe it yourself, hence why you gotta qualify your comments at all.

Again, that "toe to toe" shyt is just cliche bullshyt that means nothing. We are comparing the teams head to head, I don't wanna hear that bullshyt. Analyze the matchups. Either you're saying Kobe wins that matchup or it's a wash. Otherwise, you're just trying to dance around the fact that Jordan has the clear advantage there.

@ that Paul Pierce vs Bron comparison. Pierce played with two other HOFers and Lebron's second best offensive player was Zydrunas Ilgauskas. That situation isn't remotely similar to Kobe vs Jordan playing on Olympic teams. On top of that, if you're basing your whole bullshyt "toe to toe" argument on single isolated games then you could argue '12 Jeremy Lin could go "toe to toe" with Kobe. Like I said, that whole phrase means fukking nothing and it's a bullshyt cliche cop out because you don't actually believe (or just don't have the balls to say) Kobe is anywhere near as good as prime MJ.

why is the best basketball player ever referring to that scrimmage as a game according to you, conflating scrimmages with games means you've never participated in basketball. does this mean the best basketball player ever never participated in basketball why was magic mad about a meaningless scrimmage for 2 days should we take the opinion of the best basketball player ever and the best point guard ever to play the game that scrimmages mean something or should we take the opinion of a random autistic coli poster

@ Desperately latching onto the "competitive" issue as if it has anything to do with the argument. You can be competitive and "mad" about losing a scrimmage, and it's still doesn't mean it's the equivalent of a game. The fact that you're now bringing up a COMPLETELY different scrimmage with the best players in history going at each other, and comparing it to a random scrimmage at the end of practice where they brought in a bunch of fresh college guys and where the best player (Mike) on the Dream Team barely played. Again, neither is comparable to an actual game anyway, so the comparison is irrelevant. Scrimmages are held to work on specific things, develop team chemistry, experiment lineups, and get reps in. The final scores are secondary, regardless of how competitive the players are.

Your continued harping on a scrimmage as the bulk of your argument shows you already lost and you have nothing.

give you the benefit of the doubt here and allow that you were referring to the 2008 or 12 teams and the dream team in the 2nd quote. point me to where I suggested anything of the sort tho



going from 25/12 on 52% fg as a 1st option the year before the injury to 22/11 on 51% fg as a 2nd option the year after the injury is a dramatic drop off



how does someone who claims to know so much about the 90s not know that Robinson only had a fractured foot and was held out by the spurs so they could tank which eventually got them duncan as above, how was a 32 year old putting up 22/11 on 51% fg as a 2nd option on a 56 win team past his prime when he was doing 25/12 on 52% fg as a 1st option in the full year before the injury why is a guru of 90s ball claiming that drob was past his prime that year when he wasn't. wasn't he watching those games like he's been saying this whole time



but magic suffered a major injury that olympics and didn't play very much

Look at Robinson's prime numbers and compare them to the post injury numbers. He was better in every category, more athletic, was putting up record scoring numbers, etc. If you think a 32 year old David Robinson coming off a major injury is at all comparable to the spry, athletic specimen he was in '92, you simply didn't watch.

@ "only" a fractured foot. On what planet is that not a significant injury? A broken fukking foot? Especially in '98. They held him out because he had a major injury, they aren't shutting him down for the season to tank if he had a sprained ankle or some shyt. My lord, you have to be trolling at this point. You can't possibly be this dumb.

Magic suffered such a "major" injury that he led the Dream Team in minutes in the gold medal game and was second in the semis, while being one of the best players on the floor

I'm sorry I don't recall ever saying that, can you point it out for me



addressed above



how does a knowledgeable 90s basketball fan not know that ewing and Robinson were well-known for their failures in the playoffs they are legends for their squads but ask any knicks or spurs fan and they will tell you the same

"Well known for their Playoff failures" = Two guys who made deep Playoff runs with literally NO great offensive players next to them. Two guys who were tasked with being the offensive focal point while ALSO being relied on to anchor the defense for their teams all while having no all stars on their squad. "Failures"

Again, you talk basketball like these cac ass hot take beat writers/talking heads who have never played the game and have no understanding of it whatsoever.

Any Knick fan or Spurs fan that isn't a complete dumb fukk knows Ewing and Robinson did ALL that they could with very little talent around them. They could not have reasonably been expected to take those teams farther

so your entire premise of tyson chandler getting dominated easily by ewing and Robinson on the offensive end is predicated on them having no plays called for them and working off what the better offensive players on their team are feeding them off hustle plays, boards, and pnr lobs

I...literally...didn't...say that they would dominate Chandler on offense and offense alone (although, yeah...they are much better offensive players than he is lol). And certainly never suggested they would do it on a diet of designed plays. It's obvious that the Dream Team would play through Mike, Magic, Barkley, etc. primarily. You know...their best offensive players and playmakers? The fact that you have to make shyt up that I said (that you can't even pull up quotes for) shows you're losing...badly. I said dominate Chandler period. And they would. They were better post defenders, rebounders, shot blockers, low post scorers, etc. And no amount of basketball reference cherry picking you do will ever change this fact.

why would the 08 or 12 teams need to key in on ewing or drob when you have already said they wont have plays called for them why would they need to key in on ewing and drob on rim runs and pnr lobs when they have athletic dpoy centers that can cover ground on pnr and match pace on rim runs

Yeah...that's MY POINT. You seriously can't be this fukking dumb. I said "go ahead and key in on them and see what happens" and your dumb ass doesn't even realize that I'm literally OUTRIGHT saying that focusing your defense on them is a mistake because they are not the primary, secondary, or even third, fourth, etc. best offensive options on the Dream Team. Keying your defense in on them over Mike, Chuck, Magic, Malone, etc. is dumb as fukk...because THOSE are the guys you should be focussed on. How do you get through life being a fukking moron who cannot read as a (presumably) grown ass adult?

but I mentioned ways the offensive attack would be shifted against a good rim protector and you said it was enough to expose my basketball knowledge here, we'll try again. if you are in the paint filling your role as an elite protector how do you contest a midrange jumper if the offensive player gets by their man and doesn't choose to go all the way to the cup. and what do you do as an elite rim protector...

The fact that you think protecting the rim means you literally just camp out in front of the rim and don't move for the entire possession is fukking hilarious. You don't have to sacrifice one for the other. KG is one of the best rim protectors of his era, and he was EVERYWHERE defensively. Hakeem Olajuwon was too. DAVID ROBINSON (you know, the man we're currently talking about?) was too. You can help, recover, and step up on shooters and still protect the rim. Especially if you cover the ground that those guys do on the floor. And having spectacular wing defenders on your side helps a tad too.

When you have guys that are intimidators and can shut down the middle, it limits the opposing team's offensive attack. This is fukking common sense.

Imagine insinuating that prime Robinson and Ewing can't defend the pick and roll. Just say you don't watch basketball and move on.

apparently not


when did I say this

Yeah...dumbfukk and that was in the MIDDLE of the discussion we were having about Dwight playing in the worst era for centers in modern basketball history. Context. Reading comprehension. Two basic principles you have no grasp of whatsoever

I love how your bytch ass tried to quickly gloss over the fact that you made up the idea that Dwight was guarding KG and Dirk in his prime

where did I combine 08 and 12 here?

as for chandler getting dominated by the much superior centers who you have confessed will not have plays called for them and will be living off rim runs and pnr lobs, I think coach k will be ok with letting his mobile dpoy center fend for himself on those don't you

You've been combining both teams the entire time. Hence why in one paragraph we're arguing about Chandler, and the next you're talking about '08 Kobe or Dwight Howard. You cannot discuss one alone (or even one at a time), because you don't have a strong enough argument. You need to be conflating both at all times. And yet you're still somehow losing.

Yeah, and I'm sure Coach K also be okay with Chandler getting abused on the offensive and defensive glass, being completely neutralized at the rim, getting beat up physically and dunked on viciously by the much superior and stronger bigs of the Dream Team. @ thinking the only way you can be effective is by having the team play through you offensively. You don't watch basketball. Like..at all.

i know this and I never claimed otherwise



yes I've acknowledged this a couple times already, why are you repeating what I'm saying

I see we have come to the conclusion that these teams all have some of the best defenders ever

Yeah...the Dream Team just has more of them. And more prolific ones. Hence why they win the matchup.

yes both teams have mismatches that will be exploited, its almost like that's what happens in basketball

Yeah...the 2012 team just has more of them. Hence why the Dream Team wins.

'you win every single time' only in your own mind where you don't account for style and how an actual basketball game plays out on the court and not on paper. offensively the dream team would have an advantage inside and 08/12 would have the advantage by spreading the floor 4out1in. whoever can impose their style the most effectively will win and I think 08/12 would do that



this is me not bringing him up because I've already deconstructed your entire argument and embarrassing you further is unnecessary

I already explained the Dream Team's advantages stylistically and their matchup advantages. And you responded with "lol cacs", "weak era", "Magic was washed" (false) and all the other bullshyt cliches that new basketball fans who have not actually put the time in to study and analyze the game say.

Watch more basketball. It's fun and you might learn a thing or two. And save yourself from this level of embarrassment in the future

 

[FcKuPaYmE]

nikkas typing essays

 

[YaThreadFloppedB!]

nikkas typing essays

nikka took up the whole page

 

[Numpsay]

Breh should be banned from the thread for that shyt.

 

[Brozay]

yall need to stop trying to debate these players/teams that are generations apart, the conversation goes nowhere and there is never a 'winner'

the game has changed too much to imagine how a team from 1992 matches up to a team from 2012

 

[big bun]

Translation: " I'm getting cooked and my feeble arguments have repeatedly been shut down and my attempts to pivot the discussion to Tatum as an out are not working, so I gotta find another way out. Your lack of basketball knowledge has been thoroughly exposed. Sorry.








Going from arguing that '08 Kobe (When we were discussing '12 vs '92. again, conflating '08 and '12 because you can't make a strong enough argument against the dream team without combining Olympic teams) and Jordan was some kind of neck and neck matchup to " I didn't say he was better. All I said was he can HANG with Mike". Seems like backtracking to me. You don't even believe it yourself, hence why you gotta qualify your comments at all.

Again, that "toe to toe" shyt is just cliche bullshyt that means nothing. We are comparing the teams head to head, I don't wanna hear that bullshyt. Analyze the matchups. Either you're saying Kobe wins that matchup or it's a wash. Otherwise, you're just trying to dance around the fact that Jordan has the clear advantage there.

@ that Paul Pierce vs Bron comparison. Pierce played with two other HOFers and Lebron's second best offensive player was Zydrunas Ilgauskas. That situation isn't remotely similar to Kobe vs Jordan playing on Olympic teams. On top of that, if you're basing your whole bullshyt "toe to toe" argument on single isolated games then you could argue '12 Jeremy Lin could go "toe to toe" with Kobe. Like I said, that whole phrase means fukking nothing and it's a bullshyt cliche cop out because you don't actually believe (or just don't have the balls to say) Kobe is anywhere near as good as prime MJ.




@ Desperately latching onto the "competitive" issue as if it has anything to do with the argument. You can be competitive and "mad" about losing a scrimmage, and it's still doesn't mean it's the equivalent of a game. The fact that you're now bringing up a COMPLETELY different scrimmage with the best players in history going at each other, and comparing it to a random scrimmage at the end of practice where they brought in a bunch of fresh college guys and where the best player (Mike) on the Dream Team barely played. Again, neither is comparable to an actual game anyway, so the comparison is irrelevant. Scrimmages are held to work on specific things, develop team chemistry, experiment lineups, and get reps in. The final scores are secondary, regardless of how competitive the players are.

Your continued harping on a scrimmage as the bulk of your argument shows you already lost and you have nothing.





Look at Robinson's prime numbers and compare them to the post injury numbers. He was better in every category, more athletic, was putting up record scoring numbers, etc. If you think a 32 year old David Robinson coming off a major injury is at all comparable to the spry, athletic specimen he was in '92, you simply didn't watch.

@ "only" a fractured foot. On what planet is that not a significant injury? A broken fukking foot? Especially in '98. They held him out because he had a major injury, they aren't shutting him down for the season to tank if he had a sprained ankle or some shyt. My lord, you have to be trolling at this point. You can't possibly be this dumb.

Magic suffered such a "major" injury that he led the Dream Team in minutes in the gold medal game and was second in the semis, while being one of the best players on the floor


"Well known for their Playoff failures" = Two guys who made deep Playoff runs with literally NO great offensive players next to them. Two guys who were tasked with being the offensive focal point while ALSO being relied on to anchor the defense for their teams all while having no all stars on their squad. "Failures"

Again, you talk basketball like these cac ass hot take beat writers/talking heads who have never played the game and have no understanding of it whatsoever.

Any Knick fan or Spurs fan that isn't a complete dumb fukk knows Ewing and Robinson did ALL that they could with very little talent around them. They could not have reasonably been expected to take those teams farther





I...literally...didn't...say that they would dominate Chandler on offense and offense alone (although, yeah...they are much better offensive players than he is lol). And certainly never suggested they would do it on a diet of designed plays. It's obvious that the Dream Team would play through Mike, Magic, Barkley, etc. primarily. You know...their best offensive players and playmakers? The fact that you have to make shyt up that I said (that you can't even pull up quotes for) shows you're losing...badly. I said dominate Chandler period. And they would. They were better post defenders, rebounders, shot blockers, low post scorers, etc. And no amount of basketball reference cherry picking you do will ever change this fact.



Yeah...that's MY POINT. You seriously can't be this fukking dumb. I said "go ahead and key in on them and see what happens" and your dumb ass doesn't even realize that I'm literally OUTRIGHT saying that focusing your defense on them is a mistake because they are not the primary, secondary, or even third, fourth, etc. best offensive options on the Dream Team. Keying your defense in on them over Mike, Chuck, Magic, Malone, etc. is dumb as fukk...because THOSE are the guys you should be focussed on. How do you get through life being a fukking moron who cannot read as a (presumably) grown ass adult?




The fact that you think protecting the rim means you literally just camp out in front of the rim and don't move for the entire possession is fukking hilarious. You don't have to sacrifice one for the other. KG is one of the best rim protectors of his era, and he was EVERYWHERE defensively. Hakeem Olajuwon was too. DAVID ROBINSON (you know, the man we're currently talking about?) was too. You can help, recover, and step up on shooters and still protect the rim. Especially if you cover the ground that those guys do on the floor. And having spectacular wing defenders on your side helps a tad too.

When you have guys that are intimidators and can shut down the middle, it limits the opposing team's offensive attack. This is fukking common sense.

Imagine insinuating that prime Robinson and Ewing can't defend the pick and roll. Just say you don't watch basketball and move on.



Yeah...dumbfukk and that was in the MIDDLE of the discussion we were having about Dwight playing in the worst era for centers in modern basketball history. Context. Reading comprehension. Two basic principles you have no grasp of whatsoever

I love how your bytch ass tried to quickly gloss over the fact that you made up the idea that Dwight was guarding KG and Dirk in his prime





You've been combining both teams the entire time. Hence why in one paragraph we're arguing about Chandler, and the next you're talking about '08 Kobe or Dwight Howard. You cannot discuss one alone (or even one at a time), because you don't have a strong enough argument. You need to be conflating both at all times. And yet you're still somehow losing.

Yeah, and I'm sure Coach K also be okay with Chandler getting abused on the offensive and defensive glass, being completely neutralized at the rim, getting beat up physically and dunked on viciously by the much superior and stronger bigs of the Dream Team. @ thinking the only way you can be effective is by having the team play through you offensively. You don't watch basketball. Like..at all.

Yeah...the Dream Team just has more of them. And more prolific ones. Hence why they win the matchup.


Yeah...the 2012 team just has more of them. Hence why the Dream Team wins.



I already explained the Dream Team's advantages stylistically and their matchup advantages. And you responded with "lol cacs", "weak era", "Magic was washed" (false) and all the other bullshyt cliches that new basketball fans who have not actually put the time in to study and analyze the game say.

Watch more basketball. It's fun and you might learn a thing or two. And save yourself from this level of embarrassment in the future

Nigguh

 

[GOAT]

Nigguh

What would compel you to quote that entire thing just for a one word response? You aren't helping the situation

 

[KingB137]

This thread is trash.

 

[Primetime21]

Breh should be banned from the thread for that shyt.

@CHICAGO @Houston911

 

[FloorGeneral]

You know what makes it worse? When one quotes a long ass post, then writes his own novel lmao. Then dude answers by quoting said novel, and writing a novel of his own. Rise and repeat.

 

[GOAT]

Breh should be banned from the thread for that shyt.

You should be banned from my dikk.

 

[Cole Cash]

Guys, once again im turnt off that edible and drank. we back at our place so we not on the reservation but we we gon serve these aussie. fukk patty mills. a nikka in 2k once not only ran plays on me over and over, but he knew how to legit play the game the right way and would free up patty mills (spurs) and got him incredibly open shots. Him and the nikka who dropped 80 on me with gerald fukking wallace in nba 2k9. i hate both these nikkas.

nikka fukk that nation of criminals cept Liz Cambage

 

[ALonelyDad]

What time is the game?

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

What time is the game?

In under 30 minutes.