2020 Democratic Primary Thread: Focus on House & Senate races
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New Jeruzalem Journalist
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I know the LM issue has been raised before. It may have been on The Majority Report and not his own show. The only example I can think of at the moment on his own show was when Emma was on last week and they juxtaposed Bernie's votes/support of bills or businesses at odds with his politics in the same vein as Liz and Raytheon.
I think i can safely assume that the moniker of "liberal" is not why people voted against hillary
John Reena
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How big of percentage of the electorate do you think the Bernie or Bust crowd really is? And also expanding the ACA with a public option doesn't make sense because the expansion part is basically just medicaid. Which means that either the salary threshold is moved higher or the public option is auto enrolled with some kind allowance of unions and companies to stay on private. Either way that is tremendously better than the current situation. But M4A removes that confusion, cost less for the majority, and doesn't let southern states continue to keep their citizens from health care access at the whims of their election choices.I'm actually very curious to see how the anti-Liz Bernie or Bust supporters would react to Bernie signing into law an ACA expansion with a public option. I wonder if they'd demand he be primaried in 2024 because he turned his back on the movement and became an establishment stooge like they're claiming Warren is.
John Reena
Superstar
Ya really living in another reality. Any candidate who champion abortion, gay rights, etc., is considered liberal to most ppl.
I agree. She isn’t as liberal or far left as Warren and Bernie(hence why she washed Bernie in the southern primaries), and I believe she would have governed down the middle, but she is still considered a moderate liberal.
Which is why it makes no sense to think another super liberal like Warren wouldn’t suffer a similar defeat in the South.
@dora_da_destroyer say names next time if you wanna call me out
Pro-abortion is a right wing viewpoint though. Majority of American's support a women's right to choose and Roe v. Wade. The discussion isn't to have more abortions it's that taking away women's access to birth control and sex education causes higher teen pregnancy and unwanted births. Which is a bigger affect on society than the opposite. And as far as gay marriage, the conservative Supreme Court upheld that so at this point it ain't really controversial unless, once again, you're speaking from a right wing viewpoint.
Did she lose the election because she was perceived as "liberal"? Yes or no
I'm actually very curious to see how the anti-Liz Bernie or Bust supporters would react to Bernie signing into law an ACA expansion with a public option. I wonder if they'd demand he be primaried in 2024 because he turned his back on the movement and became an establishment stooge like they're claiming Warren is.
I also tell these people on Twitter, where are the 51 votes in the Senate?
JoogJoint
In my own league.
That's the biggest thing she has against her, her base is primarily college-educated, white latte liberals from the coasts. I think if she win's, she's gotta pick Bernie as VP to help get working class support.
Being VP is a waste of time for Bernie. He should just go back to the Senate if that's the case.
JoogJoint
In my own league.
She's a tone deaf rich centrist who raises a lot of money for her other rich friends. Pelosi has been for quite some time now.
dora_da_destroyer
Master Baker
@dora_da_destroyer say names next time if you wanna call me out
Hood Critic
The Power Circle
One way or another, this is going to be a lit thread post-primaries.
storyteller
Veteran
Brooks recently mentioned that you could find moves where Bernie focused on his constituents in Vermont first (ie: the Lockheed Martin vote and his vote for the crime bill which he explicitly stated he was putting his constituents and the Violence Against Women Act first). In just the past week he's said Bernie should take note of Andrew Yang on the war on drugs (Bernie's for marijuana legalized federally, Yang is for the Portugal model) and also mentioned that while he's not as big on the issue as others, he disagrees with Bernie on keeping the filibuster (that's a notch for Warren).
The heads that claim he's biased or act like he's hammering Warren could backtrack and catch him firing off HEAVY on Yang's UBI, Tulsi's isolationism and Mohdi support, Kamala's downplaying of policies she supported and literally everything about Pete Buttigeig (dude hates Pete especially hard). He's been a lot harsher on the worse candidates, but now that it's a three horse race he's drawing comparisons with the prefaces built in that Warren is best option sans Bernie (to oversimplified paraphrase him, Warren is where he'd like to see a sincere center of the political spectrum form); and that it's completely fine to agree to disagree on strategy.
I don't think you'll find him hitting Bernie's M4A bill though...it's too far ahead of everything else proposed so far. The Natalie Shure interview he did last week can lay out the concerns they both share for Warren on that end; though my own personal feeling is she's humoring the centrists by keeping the door open and not vice versa though. We have seen that script flipped enough times that a chunk of lefties I rock with are skeptical of any leeway though. Not because it means a candidate will just about face on the argument, but there's concerns about how hard a candidate will fight for the issue.