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As mentioned earlier, Warren is polling second with college educate black voters which is why you and I* know plenty of black people who support Warren. However, Warren supporters don't bring this up because nobody outside of Biden is actually doing well with black voters. Of course, that doesn't stop Sanders people from beating their chests about his black support as if it were significant.

I'm not saying we're the only college-educated black posters, but both of us have mentioned it Warren support among those in our social networks multiple times.

Oh and here's a data point from NBC/WSJ:


Crazy how this poll describes the dynamic of your first paragraph...



This an outlier poll. I’m not familiar with the context of whatever you are all talking about but I just felt the need to fact check this. It is literally the only poll with this sort of breakdown. As for Warren, she is benefitting from millions of dollars of free press right now that is second only to Biden. I’d actually like to see people punch at her to see how she handles it. I’m not so sure Obama wins in 08 if the Reverend Wright stuff didn’t happen in the primary.


Yeah, just to add on to this discussion. My best friend and I are both college graduates. My oldest brother is a college graduate. Most of my other friends are not too vested in politics, but a few college grads sprinkled here and there, but most just have a high school/community college level education.

We're all solidly in the Bernie camp, as is my best friend's family (his wife is Puerto Rican). My ma dukes and her husband had been in the moderate dem donor base for years, both highly educated and upper middle class. I haven't breached the topic with them yet (given their age and history I would think they lean towards Biden). Pops before he passed was always strategic with his votes, yet solidly progressive in his beliefs.

I say all that to say that this notion that younger black people either don't or won't support Bernie, doesn't hold weight in my personal experience. He's gonna struggle with older black voters and those who don't follow candidates to the extent that we in HL do (pretty much all of my coworkers are black too, most are 40 and over if not older, and all they know is Biden from name recognition and what they see discussed on local/cable news).
 

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The Hillary didn't win because she wasn't far enough left angle is probably the least believable theory for her failing in 2016.

Shes was further left than Obama. Biden is further right than Obama.

Biden is the current front runner. Trump is the president. :francis:
I disagree that she ran further left than Obama. Obama ran the government as a moderate, but he campaigned as the more progressive candidate in 08 and in 2012. He stated he would meet with dictators without preconditions. That was unheard of for a mainstream candidate to have this position at the time. Obama being against the Iraq war and Clinton voting for the Iraq War is one of the main reason he won in 08. Plus Obama positioned himself as a former community organizer that stands with the people. He definitely ran to the left of Hillary in 08. In 2012 he hammered Romney on Venture Capitalism and outsourcing jobs out of the US.

Ironically enough Trump attacked Hillary from the left on this issue. The Rust Belt didn’t trust her because if NAFTA, and Obama pushing the TPP didn’t help. Also, Hillary had 100 percent name recognition and somehow had a close primary with a obscure 74 year old socialist senator, that started off at 3 percent in the polls. This was because of her personality and policies. Biden is ahead only because of name recognition and his connection to Obama. Not because he is more moderate. Before Biden entered the race Bernie was leading in the polls. Like Biden, Bernie was leading mainly because of name recognition.
 

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"This is a 2 person race. The people have spoken. We need to stop lumping Warren and Bernie together. Warren is the true liberal alternative to Biden"

 

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New Fox News Poll with 200 landlines responses (20% of the poll)... so very good news for Bernie obviously since his core demographic doesnt own any of those

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What’s wrong with pandering to racist whites to get our agenda pushed through?

Rich republicans do it everyday to racist poor whites?

Super white progressives do it to black ppl?

If I as a black man, I need to have the numbers to make sure “my needs and agendas” come to fruition and I need racist poor white ppl to get to those numbers. Why wouldn’t I?
 

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I disagree that she ran further left than Obama. Obama ran the government as a moderate, but he campaigned as the more progressive candidate in 08 and in 2012. He stated he would meet with dictators without preconditions. That was unheard of for a mainstream candidate to have this position at the time. Obama being against the Iraq war and Clinton voting for the Iraq War is one of the main reason he won in 08. Plus Obama positioned himself as a former community organizer that stands with the people. He definitely ran to the left of Hillary in 08. In 2012 he hammered Romney on Venture Capitalism and outsourcing jobs out of the US.

Ironically enough Trump attacked Hillary from the left on this issue. The Rust Belt didn’t trust her because if NAFTA, and Obama pushing the TPP didn’t help. Also, Hillary had 100 percent name recognition and somehow had a close primary with a obscure 74 year old socialist senator, that started off at 3 percent in the polls. This was because of her personality and policies. Biden is ahead only because of name recognition and his connection to Obama. Not because he is more moderate. Before Biden entered the race Bernie was leading in the polls. Like Biden, Bernie was leading mainly because of name recognition.

Clinton's campaign was further left than Obama in 2016.

It's not debatable.

I have a post in another thread here that goes over Obama's campaign in 2008.

He was always pretty moderate. Bushism was just that bad.

Further much of the current leftist platform is built around what dems have done historically.
 

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The Hillary didn't win because she wasn't far enough left angle is probably the least believable theory for her failing in 2016.

Shes was further left than Obama. Biden is further right than Obama.

Biden is the current front runner. Trump is the president. :francis:

Exactly for some reason progressives think that their 2 friends who refused to vote for hilary in their “very blue” states are the “untapped” voters we need to win.

That’s soooo far from the truth.
 
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Jesus I can’t believe ppl liked that tweet and dapped your post:mindblown:


Unions negotiate in their contracts that employers must stop paying for health insurance. Just so they CANT hold it over the workers heads. The union starts to make the payments themselves.


We understand strikes are difficult and disruptive to families," GM said in an email to The Hill. "While on strike, some benefits shift to being funded by the union's strike fund, and in this case hourly employees are eligible for union-paid COBRA so their health care benefits can continue."


no one lost health insurance. :aicmon:.
 
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