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You keep saying if Bernie was the better candidate he would of been the nominee. That is not how things work. Some of the key states were closed primaries, which means they didn’t allow independents to vote. Bernie outperformed Hillary with independent voters. Bernie won Wisconsin, and Michigan in the primaries, and probably would of won those states on the general, because Trump wouldn’t of been able to use the trade argument against Bernie. Also the DNC was activity tipping the process for Hillary by limiting debates and with the superdelegate process. And like I said i’m Not even the biggest Bernie Sanders fan.

Second,

It is about turnout. Joe can win the popular vote, and still lose the election. I think Joe will struggle in Michigan, Wisconsin, Ohio, and maybe Pennsylvania just like Hillary did. Especially once they start hammering away at his trade record. Biden supported NAFTA, and TPP wish are extremely unpopular in those states, and one of the main reasons Hillary lost these states in 2016. Trump is going exploit Biden record. Trump is highly unpopular (especially for an incumbent), so Biden weaknesses might not matter. However, we tried to tell people Hillary was a bad candidate in 2016. Biden is the same type of candidate, and maybe even be worse in some areas. Hopefully we won’t make the same mistake we did in 2016.
I actually think Biden will win close to 40 states against trump no lie breh. My problem is that he's just as big a gaffe machine and makes women feel like Jello. We'll be here in 2021 talking about embarrassing stuff with Biden's name swapped in for Trumps. But people in Ohio think things will be back to "normal" if he's in so w/e
 

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I actually think Biden will win close to 40 states against trump no lie breh. My problem is that he's just as big a gaffe machine and makes women feel like Jello. We'll be here in 2021 talking about embarrassing stuff with Biden's name swapped in for Trumps. But people in Ohio think things will be back to "normal" if he's in so w/e

:jbhmm: 40 is a little ambitious

Alabama, Arkansas, Mississippi, Georgia, Wyoming, Montana, North Dakota, South Dakota, Alaska, Idaho, Nebraska, Tennessee, West Virginia are all going Trump for sure
 

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I actually think Biden will win close to 40 states against trump no lie breh. My problem is that he's just as big a gaffe machine and makes women feel like Jello. We'll be here in 2021 talking about embarrassing stuff with Biden's name swapped in for Trumps. But people in Ohio think things will be back to "normal" if he's in so w/e
Got damn ,
40 states??? I don’t know about that. I think it is going to be a Tough election no matter who wins the primary. One thing that you can never discount is passion. Trump don’t have majority popularity, but he have dedicated supporters. I’m concerned that whoever wins the primary won’t have enough passionate supporters to carry them through the general in the key swing states . If this was about the popular vote, Trump would be done. However, I still think he have a decent shot of being re-elected due to the electoral college. I hope I am wrong and you are right.
 

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National Reuters/Ipsos Post Debate Poll (8/1-5):

Biden 22%
Sanders 18%
Warren 9%
Harris 6%
Buttigieg 4%
Booker 3%
Yang 2%
O'Rourke 2%

Biden leads Democrats as minorities favor most electable candidate vs Trump - Reuters

Among racial minorities who identify as Democrats or independents:

Biden 23%
Sanders 23%

When asked who would be most likely to beat Trump in the 2020 general election, 33% of minorities picked Biden and 19% picked Sanders.


:leon:
 

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National Reuters/Ipsos Post Debate Poll (8/1-5):

Biden 22%
Sanders 18%
Warren 9%
Harris 6%
Buttigieg 4%
Booker 3%
Yang 2%
O'Rourke 2%

Biden leads Democrats as minorities favor most electable candidate vs Trump - Reuters

Among racial minorities who identify as Democrats or independents:

Biden 23%
Sanders 23%

When asked who would be most likely to beat Trump in the 2020 general election, 33% of minorities picked Biden and 19% picked Sanders.


:leon:
and u already know they're not polling millenials in large numbers, either
 

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You keep saying if Bernie was the better candidate he would of been the nominee. That is not how things work. Some of the key states were closed primaries, which means they didn’t allow independents to vote. Bernie outperformed Hillary with independent voters. Bernie won Wisconsin, and Michigan in the primaries, and probably would of won those states in the general, because Trump wouldn’t of been able to use the trade argument against Bernie. Also the DNC was activity tipping the process for Hillary by limiting debates and with the superdelegate process. And like I said i’m Not even the biggest Bernie Sanders fan.

Second,

It is about turnout. Joe can win the popular vote, and still lose the election. I think Joe will struggle in Michigan, Wisconsin, Ohio, and maybe Pennsylvania just like Hillary did. Especially once they start hammering away at his trade record. Biden supported NAFTA, and TPP wish are extremely unpopular in those states, and one of the main reasons Hillary lost these states in 2016. Trump is going exploit Biden record. Trump is highly unpopular (especially for an incumbent), so Biden weaknesses might not matter. However, we tried to tell people Hillary was a bad candidate in 2016. Biden is the same type of candidate, and maybe even be worse in some areas. Hopefully we won’t make the same mistake we did in 2016.

agreed

the primary was extremely undemocratic and not representative of someone's performance in the general.
 

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Yeah, so by having the DNC and her surrogates put out the word 'it's her turn no other primary candidates need apply' and not realizing how unpopular she was herself. She laid out the red carpet for a Trump presidency.

Exactly and the only reason Biden didn’t run was because he son had passed away
 

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National QuinnipiacPoll Post Debate Poll (8/1-5):

Biden 32%
Warren 21%
Sanders 14%
Harris 7%
Buttigieg 5%
O'Rourke 2%
Booker 2%

Both Yang and Tulsi fail to hit 2% in a poll that could qualify them to September debate. It also seems clear that Biden is ahead and Bernie and Warren are starting to separate from the rest of the pack. Harris has fallen in this poll by 13 points since the first debate.
 

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National QuinnipiacPoll Post Debate Poll (8/1-5):

Biden 32%
Warren 21%
Sanders 14%
Harris 7%
Buttigieg 5%
O'Rourke 2%
Booker 2%

Both Yang and Tulsi fail to hit 2% in a poll that could qualify them to September debate. It also seems clear that Biden is ahead and Bernie and Warren are starting to separate from the rest of the pack. Harris has fallen in this poll by 13 points since the first debate.
A black woman not named Michelle Obama had no realistic shot of winning the nomination. Kamala was hot for about a week and that’s it.
 

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Don’t know what you don’t get. What I wrote was clear and it made sense.
You said it was unfair to suggest that Bernie lost because he was not a better candidate.

You then turned around and said Hillary lost because she was not a better candidate. :laff:
 

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Among racial minorities who identify as Democrats or independents:

Biden 23%
Sanders 23%
More proof that Napoleon is just lying all the time. :leon:


"YOU. DONT. GET. IT. I am at a bar with several black women right now and ALL of them are pledged Warren superdelegates and ALL of them are concerned Bernie will desecrate the Eucharist and give us all circumcisions."

:russ:
 
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