2020 Democratic Primary Thread: Focus on House & Senate races

[Pressure]

None of this is true. Sanders campaigned for Hillary after the convention, just like she did for Obama. In fact, they stayed in the race the same amount of time essentially. He campaigned more for her than any other loser in history. Lastly, Bernie's "rabid fanbase" were primary voters. Most people don't vote in primaries. HRC was supposed to be able to win off her "strength with black voters," and I kept telling y'all that there is a difference betwen a reliable Democrat and black primary voters. Black voter turnout decreeased for the first time in 20 years. Trump won a smaller percentage of the vote than Romney. HRC lost because her campaign was trash and no one who is seriously involved in politics believes it was Bernie's fault unless they are a loyalist. I was in meetings where people straight up said, "the people just don't like her. there's nothing we can do about it."

Bernie sanders lost to Hillary Clinton.
If she's trash. So is he.

Cool he spent a lot of time in the midwest and rust belt where Hillary lost to him and the primary and where she lost to Donald in the general.

What's that got to do with his poorly run campaign against her in the primary that he lost handily.

Second, what does that have to do with him having similar struggles this time around?

 

[Pressure]

And for consistency sake, Hillary was also blasted for for not conceding earlier.


But again you all are attempting to make two separate points as one.

• Did Hillary lose because of electability?
• Or did Hillary lose because she ran a poor campaign?

 

[Berniewood Hogan]

"the people just don't like her. there's nothing we can do about it."

the problem was her.

I'm the #1 Bernie Bro and Hillary Hater, but I have to say that this isn't really true. Hillary was the victim of a 25 year long far right propaganda campaign. Rush Limbaugh and his legion of demons painted this woman with shyt for a quarter of a century. I don't know why, but those a$$holes feared her.

 

[No1]

I'm the #1 Bernie Bro and Hillary Hater, but I have to say that this isn't really true. Hillary was the victim of a 25 year long far right propaganda campaign. Rush Limbaugh and his legion of demons painted this woman with shyt for a quarter of a century. I don't know why, but those a$$holes feared her.

I'm not saying this isn't true at all. This isn't what I was saying to @Call Me James. I'm saying people didn't like her. It's not entirely her fault and I empathized but it was what it was. I voted for her in the general election and encouraged others to do the same. As far as Bernie voters not showing up, Obama beat Hillary in 2008 by winning the black vote and 60% of millennials. Sanders won 70% of millennials. In other words, you had a generation of people who had never seen their preferred candidate lose. And the entire Democratic Party including Obama handled that poorly. I'll never forget son saying, "if you don't show up it's a personal insult to my legacy." nikka what?

 

[Pressure]

I'm not saying this isn't true at all. This isn't what I was saying to @Call Me James. I'm saying people didn't like her. It's not entirely her fault and I empathized but it was what it was. I voted for her in the general election and encouraged others to do the same. As far as Bernie voters not showing up, Obama beat Hillary in 2008 by winning the black vote and 60% of millennials. Sanders won 70% of millennials. In other words, you had a generation of people who had never seen their preferred candidate lose. And the entire Democratic Party including Obama handled that poorly. I'll never forget son saying, "if you don't show up it's a personal insult to my legacy." nikka what?

Young Voters in the 2008 Presidential Primaries

Like you said Obama won off of young voters, but more importantly Obama won off of the backs of black voters more than anything.

Still, people weren't that polarized between Obama to Hillary nor Hillary to Obama.

 

[tru_m.a.c]

I live in NC. Roy Cooper won because Pat McCrory ran up the Bathroom bill that pulled the ncaa, acc tournaments, and the NBA all star game from the states most populous cities. It was an indictment on him, not a support for liberal policies.

Roy Cooper's policies are in the same vain as Hillary and Obama.

Obama lost NC .

NC is currently red +5 for the Thillis seat.

Clearly I know you live in NC. And clearly as I've stated my family is from both north and south carolina - so I'm well in tune with why Pat lost favor with voters as well as the voter outreach throughout the state. That however does not make up for the fact that Roy Cooper received 200k more votes than Hillary.

And notice there is no national movement toward electing Thillis' opponent.

So Thillis is +5, the Dems would need NC (if they lose WI for example) but we're supposed to believe that the democratic presidential candidate is going to overcome that gap and win statewide? No. This is PA and WI in 2016 all over again. You've just proved why focusing on Iowa and the presidential election alone is a fools errand.

Nah. That's bullshyt. We use the national votes to show that the electoral college has gone against the will of the people consistently to the advantage of Republicans.

The rest of that is emotional rambling. My position is and always has been that Bernie Sanders lost the Democratic primary fair and square because he failed to make the necessary inroads in the south and in particular the southern black vote.

That's usually when you all refer to likeability of him by Black voters is where I point out that Hillary had similar likeability by black voters which in when you go off on another tangent.

The reality is you're a Bernie Bro, you hate Hillary, and you hate the Democratic party. That's your prerogative, but you then use that to spin up this false narrative of strawmen arguments to justify why things aren't going the way you want.

Wouldn't a strawman be you bringing up an argument I've never made after my arguments were directed toward a specific quote?

I frankly do not care why Bernie lost the primary as that was not the topic at hand. Nor do I think that it was rigged. Nor do I care about Hillary, Bill, or any other Clinton. The first statement I addressed was the Trumpian logic that bernie voters tanked the election. A point that I'm still waiting on a few posters to admit that they were wrong about. (But that's never going to happen as they'll just steer the conversation away from the original point )

Can I ask you a questions. During the Democratic blue wave, what were the top voter prioties?

During the democratic blue wave, who picked up more seats-- the moderate dems you hate or the progressives you admire?

This is a boring point and proves you're living in stan mode right now.

• Kamala Harris: "I'm A Progressive Democrat... I'm Not A Socialist"
• Nancy Pelosi says Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez's radical wing of Democrats is 'like, five people' “I'm a progressive,” Pelosi said
• https://nypost.com/2018/12/14/de-blasio-i-dont-get-enough-credit-for-my-progressive-achievements/
• Julián Castro pushes back against liberal critics "Castro, while quick to label himself a progressive"
• Chicago Tribune - We are currently unavailable in your region "I'm a progressive who knows how to talk to working class people

I'm not digging through all my midterm notes, but this argument is tired. nikkas love to use the label and then throw it back in our face when convenient.

The progressive caucus was literally created by Bernie: The CPC was established in 1991 by six members of the United States House of Representatives, namely U.S. Representatives Ron Dellums (D-CA), Lane Evans (D-IL), Thomas Andrews (D-ME), Peter DeFazio (D-OR), Maxine Waters (D-CA) and Bernie Sanders (I-VT).

He was literally the first chair Congressional Progressive Caucus - Wikipedia

Progressives gave your favorites a style for them to run with

In the midterms the winning message was healthcare: Democrats ran and won on health care. Now what? - CNNPolitics.

Oh - but you'll say "Did they run on medicare for all?"


Sanders Op-Ed: A Strong Public Option Will Keep Insurance Companies Honest - from 2009

Oh - but you'll say "there was never a chance it could pass"

Sanders: Senate has the votes to pass public option via reconciliation

Oh but that was in the past

• Tim Ryan of Ohio said: “we need to have some public option around affordable Yahoo is now part of Oath
• Jay Inslee: I’ve done it as a public option. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/26/us/politics/democratic-debate-transcript.html
• Amy Klobuchar: And the idea I put out there, the public option, which the governor was just talking about, this idea is that you use Medicare or Medicaid without any insurance companies involved. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/26/us/politics/democratic-debate-transcript.html
• After O'Rourke said his plan to reform the US healthcare system would involve a public option https://www.businessinsider.com/bet...th-sides-on-healthcare-and-immigration-2019-6
  
• I wouldn’t be surprised if Bennet and Hickenlooper challenge Sanders on Medicare for all. Both favor a public option instead https://www.coloradoindependent.com/2019/06/27/debates-hickenlooper-bennet-democratic-primary/
  
• Gillibrand: Two minutes later she jumped into the fray again to state her support for a public option https://www.cityandstateny.com/arti...-2019-2nd-democratic-presedential-debate.html

Of the 57 incoming Democratic House members, 37 support “Medicare for all,” expanding Social Security, or another Medicare-policy option, according to an analysis by the Progressive Change Institute. That’s 65 percent of the incoming freshman class. Plus, a series of progressive ballot measures were passed in traditionally red states: Missouri and Arkansas approved a measure to raise the minimum wage; Louisiana passed criminal-justice reform; and Medicaid expansion was approved in Utah, Idaho, and Nebraska.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politic...ssives-declare-victory-after-midterms/575701/

Y'all nikkas serious. Don't play me like I'm twism.
If I sat you down with the Third Way party platform you'd throw that shyt in the garbage.

 

[ADevilYouKhow]

Will the Republicans use Benghazi to attack the Dems again?

 

[tru_m.a.c]

None of this is true. Sanders campaigned for Hillary after the convention, just like she did for Obama. In fact, they stayed in the race the same amount of time essentially. He campaigned more for her than any other loser in history. Lastly, Bernie's "rabid fanbase" were primary voters. Most people don't vote in primaries. HRC was supposed to be able to win off her "strength with black voters," and I kept telling y'all that there is a difference betwen a reliable Democrat and black primary voters. Black voter turnout decreeased for the first time in 20 years. Trump won a smaller percentage of the vote than Romney. HRC lost because her campaign was trash and no one who is seriously involved in politics believes it was Bernie's fault unless they are a loyalist. I was in meetings where people straight up said, "the people just don't like her. there's nothing we can do about it."

Son that's what I'm saying. They won't even admit there are trends deeper than this stupid ass Bernie v Hillary shyt. This rat race shyt is so superficial.

And for consistency sake, Hillary was also blasted for for not conceding earlier.


But again you all are attempting to make two separate points as one.

• Did Hillary lose because of electability?
• Or did Hillary lose because she ran a poor campaign?

She lost because she wasn't electable in WI, PA, MI, and NC. Why is this so mind boggling? Why can't you guys stop thinking about total vote for 5 minutes?

 

[Pressure]

Son that's what I'm saying. They won't even admit there are trends deeper than this stupid ass Bernie v Hillary shyt. This rat race shyt is so superficial.


She lost because she wasn't electable in WI, PA, MI, and NC. Why is this so mind boggling? Why can't you guys stop thinking about total vote for 5 minutes?

If she wasn't electable in WI, PA, MI, and NC why are you putting so much weight on her not campaigning there more as proof she ran a bad campaign.


This is becoming circular. You're better than this.

 

[Secure Da Bag]

Son that's what I'm saying. They won't even admit there are trends deeper than this stupid ass Bernie v Hillary shyt. This rat race shyt is so superficial.


She lost because she wasn't electable in WI, PA, MI, and NC. Why is this so mind boggling? Why can't you guys stop thinking about total vote for 5 minutes?

You forgot FL. She lost 49 to 47.8%. OH, she lost 51.69 to 43.56%.

So basically any state that was purple.

 

[Pressure]

You forgot FL. She lost 49 to 47.8%. OH, she lost 51.69 to 43.56%.

So basically any state that was purple.

NC and Florida both saw increased voter turnout.

At some point y'all gotta accept Trump was just popular in NC and Florida.

 

[Secure Da Bag]

NC and Florida both saw increased voter turnout.

At some point y'all gotta accept Trump was just popular in NC and Florida.

That says a lot about Hillary. I doubt Obama would have had that problem.

 

[No1]

Young Voters in the 2008 Presidential Primaries

Like you said Obama won off of young voters, but more importantly Obama won off of the backs of black voters more than anything.

Still, people weren't that polarized between Obama to Hillary nor Hillary to Obama.

An entire decade happened between those elections. Both candidates had the fukk Bush push. In 2016 we had just had Obama for 8 years and millennials were angry with their status. They weren’t rocking with centrists. This is all common knowledge. Bernie didn’t do anything. He can’t make people in swing states like her. We heard about her diverse coalition and then they stayed home.

 

[Pressure]

An entire decade happened between those elections. Both candidates had the fukk Bush push. In 2016 we had just had Obama for 8 years and millennials were angry with their status. They weren’t rocking with centrists. This is all common knowledge. Bernie didn’t do anything. He can’t make people in swing states like her. We heard about her diverse coalition and then they stayed home.

2018 had one of the largest young voter turnouts.

Centrists picked up more seats than progressives by a sizable margin.

Only way for what you're saying to be true, in the face of data, is that non voters don't prefer moderates.

Just last week a coalition of moderates forced the spending bill through.

Earlier this year moderates almost Tanked pelosi as speaker.

 

[Piff Perkins]

Young Voters in the 2008 Presidential Primaries

Like you said Obama won off of young voters, but more importantly Obama won off of the backs of black voters more than anything.

Still, people weren't that polarized between Obama to Hillary nor Hillary to Obama.

You must have forgotten about the PUMAs and the various radical Hillary stans who shat on Obama+promised not to vote for him because he "stole" the nomination. Remember, Hillary "won" Michigan and Florida's primaries but they weren't counted because the states violated DNC rules by moving their vote election dates up. Obama and John Edwards didn't campaign in either state. Hillary did and won...then spent months acting like she was being sabotaged when everyone knew those states wouldn't count.

Hillary got real ugly towards the end, when she was winning white states while Obama simply played the math.


This is why I never respected Sanders stans who cried about Hillary in 2016. She didn't spend a dime attacking Sanders and never pulled out the knives. Anyone who watched the 2008 race play out saw Hillary and Obama duke it out. We didn't see anything like that in 2016...she simply coasted to an easy victory over Sanders. And so far it looks like the 2020 primary will be too lubby dubby as well. Nobody wants to attack each other. You NEED a good opponent. Hillary made Obama a better candidate. She forced him to become a better debater.