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Of the 57 incoming Democratic House members, 37 support “Medicare for all,” expanding Social Security, or another Medicare-policy option, according to an analysis by the Progressive Change Institute. That’s 65 percent of the incoming freshman class. Plus, a series of progressive ballot measures were passed in traditionally red states: Missouri and Arkansas approved a measure to raise the minimum wage; Louisiana passed criminal-justice reform; and Medicaid expansion was approved in Utah, Idaho, and Nebraska.
Look at how wide of a net you cast. The key operator in that analysis is OR.

Expanding social security or another "Medicare policy option" isn't progressive.

Increasing minimum wage is standard fair for the Democratic platform.

Criminal justice reform is sweeping support across both parties.

And medicaid expansion is Obamacare.

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You must have forgotten about the PUMAs and the various radical Hillary stans who shat on Obama+promised not to vote for him because he "stole" the nomination. Remember, Hillary "won" Michigan and Florida's primaries but they weren't counted because the states violated DNC rules by moving their vote election dates up. Obama and John Edwards didn't campaign in either state. Hillary did and won...then spent months acting like she was being sabotaged when everyone knew those states wouldn't count.

I did not. I just pointed to the data that showed despite that it was pretty even the expected voter carry over was the despite who won the candidacy. That is all.
 

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If she wasn't electable in WI, PA, MI, and NC why are you putting so much weight on her not campaigning there more as proof she ran a bad campaign. :unimpressed:


This is becoming circular. You're better than this. :unimpressed:
How is not running in the 4 most important swing states not proof of a bad campaign :mindblown:

Bro I really don't think you ever read the stories about the campaign AT ALL

Why hasn't Clinton come to Wisconsin? Here are some theories
Numbers compiled by University of Wisconsin-Madison political scientist Barry Burden show if Clinton doesn't come to Wisconsin it will be the first time since 1972 that both nominees for president didn't campaign in Wisconsin before the general election. Burden said the last time was when Richard Nixon decided not to visit the state during his re-election campaign.

That said, Democratic vice-presidential nominee Tim Kaine will make two stops in Wisconsin on Tuesday, including one in Madison.

Burden said his analysis shows Clinton has spent more than half of her time in swing states like Ohio, Florida, North Carolina and Pennsylvania.

"Clinton, I think, has some reasons not to visit the state," Burden said. "Her approval ratings are still underwater in the polls in Wisconsin, so better to send in either surrogates who are more popular or surrogates who can fly under the radar and just visit with volunteers."

Everybody could see Hillary Clinton was cooked in Iowa. So when, a week-and-a-half out, the Service Employees International Union started hearing anxiety out of Michigan, union officials decided to reroute their volunteers, giving a desperate team on the ground around Detroit some hope.

They started prepping meals and organizing hotel rooms.

SEIU — which had wanted to go to Michigan from the beginning, but been ordered not to — dialed Clinton’s top campaign aides to tell them about the new plan. According to several people familiar with the call, Brooklyn was furious.

Turn that bus around, the Clinton team ordered SEIU. Those volunteers needed to stay in Iowa to fool Donald Trump into competing there, not drive to Michigan, where the Democrat’s models projected a 5-point win through the morning of Election Day.

How Clinton lost Michigan — and blew the election

“I set up my campaign and we have our own data operation. I get the nomination. So I’m now the nominee of the Democratic Party. I inherit nothing from the Democratic Party,” Clinton said, according to a transcript. “I mean it was bankrupt, it was on the verge of insolvency, its data was mediocre to poor, nonexistent, wrong. I had to inject money into it — the DNC — to keep it going.”

Andrew Therriault, who served as the DNC's director of data science and now works for the City of Boston, took exception to Clinton's criticisms in tweets that have since been deleted.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ennsylvania-wisconsin/?utm_term=.700bab493517



One of the lessons Mook and his allies took from Michigan was that Hillary was better off not getting into an all-out war with her opponent in states where non-college-educated whites could be the decisive demographic. In Michigan, they believed, Hillary’s hard campaigning had called attention to an election that many would-be voters weren’t paying attention to, and given Bernie a chance to show that his economic message was more in line with their views.

So Mook’s clique looked at the elevation of the Michigan primary — poking the sleeping bear of the white working class — as a mistake that shouldn’t be repeated. “That was a takeaway that we tried to use in the general,” said one high-ranking campaign official.

With hindsight, the decision looks like an inexplicable and unforced error. Aides told Allen and Parnes that they sent Clinton to Michigan only once (and not at all to Wisconsin) because they believed “to make the election a bigger deal was not good for our prospects.”
A new tell-all about the Clinton campaign is a searing indictment of the candidate herself

In Michigan alone, a senior battleground state operative told HuffPost that the state party and local officials were running at roughly one-tenth the paid canvasser capacity that Sen. John Kerry (D-Mass.) had when he ran for president in 2004. Desperate for more human capital, the state party and local officials ended up raising $300,000 themselves to pay 500 people to help canvass in the election’s closing weeks. By that point, however, they were operating in the dark. One organizer said that in a precinct in Flint, they were sent to a burned down trailer park. No one had taken it off the list of places to visit because no one had been there until the final weekend. Clinton lost the state by 12,000 votes.

The campaign’s state office argued additionally for prominent African-American surrogates to help in Milwaukee. “There are only so many times you can get folks excited about Chelsea Clinton,” explained one Wisconsin Democrat. But President Barack Obama and first lady Michelle Obama didn’t come. Nor did Hillary Clinton after the July Democratic convention. She would go on to lose the state, hampered by lower turnout in precisely the place that had operatives worried. Clinton got 289,000 votes in Milwaukee County compared to the 328,000 that Obama won in 2012.

“They had staff on the ground and lots of volunteers, but they weren’t running a massive program because they thought they were up 6-7 points,” said the aforementioned senior battleground state operative.

In politics, much like anything else, victory has a thousand fathers and defeat is an orphan. A senior official from Clinton’s campaign noted that they did have a large staff presence in Michigan and Wisconsin (200 and 180 people respectively) while also stressing that one of the reasons they didn’t do more was, in part, because of psychological games they were playing with the Trump campaign. They recognized that Michigan, for example, was a vulnerable state and felt that if they could keep Trump away ― by acting overly confident about their chances ― they would win it by a small margin and with a marginal resource allocation.


:laff: y'all don't know these stories?
 

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I'm the #1 Bernie Bro and Hillary Hater, but I have to say that this isn't really true. Hillary was the victim of a 25 year long far right propaganda campaign. Rush Limbaugh and his legion of demons painted this woman with shyt for a quarter of a century. I don't know why, but those a$$holes feared her.
Just like in sports you have to overcome franchises, in politics you have to overcome bad conditions. Lots of women have come and gone from capitol hill yet Hillary one of the very few with controversy from day one. Hillary can only win when things are easy. Like the NY senate. Let's be honest, if Kasich or Rubio was the nominee in 2016 she would have lost 40 states. Only so long fake thugs can pretend.
 

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Just like in sports you have to overcome franchises, in politics you have to overcome bad conditions. Lots of women have come and gone from capitol hill yet Hillary one of the very few with controversy from day one. Hillary can only win when things are easy. Like the NY senate. Let's be honest, if Kasich or Rubio was the nominee in 2016 she would have lost 40 states. Only so ling fake thugs can pretend.

She would have beat Kasich and Rubio

Those fools couldn’t even beat Trump
 

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How is not running in the 4 most important swing states not proof of a bad campaign :mindblown:

Again, pointing out your logical inconsistencies...

Was she unelectable there or are you saying she's unelectable there because she didn't campaign well there.

You seem to be saying the latter.

Which I why I asked the question in the first place. It's a circular argument you're making.
 

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She would have beat Kasich and Rubio

Those fools couldn’t even beat Trump
Nope Kasich was a clear +5 on her in the RCP averages. There probably wouldn't have been any furor over the russians either. Right now were probably talking about if we should even be running female candidates for potus given the conditions in the midwest, rather then staring at Biden vs Trump.
 

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She would have beat Kasich and Rubio

Those fools couldn’t even beat Trump
Trump ran on being anti Obama. Big data from Google and Microsoft show areas with the largest amount of Trump support performed the largest about of anti-Obama rhetoric.

He then pegged Clinton as 8 more years of Obama. :yeshrug:

So did sanders though :pachaha:
 

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Again, pointing out your logical inconsistencies...

Was she unelectable there or are you saying she's unelectable there because she didn't campaign well there.

You seem to be saying the latter.

Which I why I asked the question in the first place. It's a circular argument you're making.
No gas but I really don't understand what you're asking. Honest shyt lol You gotta explain what you mean. I thought I answered it but I guess I didn't.
 

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2018 had one of the largest young voter turnouts.

Centrists picked up more seats than progressives by a sizable margin.

Only way for what you're saying to be true, in the face of data, is that non voters don't prefer moderates.

Just last week a coalition of moderates forced the spending bill through.

Earlier this year moderates almost Tanked pelosi as speaker. :francis:
I’m not doing this with you. You’re looking for an argument and my days of writing paragraphs on here are over. The evidence to refute you is readily available. Of course centrists picked up more seats. That’s a funding issue and a anybody but republicans once we get to the general election thing.
 

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No gas but I really don't understand what you're asking. Honest shyt lol You gotta explain what you mean. I thought I answered it but I guess I didn't.
My position is that Hillary could have campaigned better to win the nomination.

There's plenty of information to support that claim.

I don't think the electability argument supports that claim and in many ways supports the why you wouldn't from.

For example, Hillary isn't electable in A. Okay, then you wouldn't expect her to focus resources on A.

As opposed to Hillary needs to spend time in A where she is more electable than B where she isn't.

In this scenario A is Michigan and B is Florida.
 

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I’m not doing this with you. You’re looking for an argument and my days of writing paragraphs on here are over. The evidence to refute you is readily available. Of course centrists picked up more seats. That’s a funding issue and a anybody but republicans once we get to the general election thing.
I'm not looking for an argument. I'm just stating that moderates in fact picked up more seats than progressives.

Even in places where progressives and moderates both faced each other in the primaries for seats where they went on to unseat Republicans.

Thus concluding that progressivism isn't necessarily the driving factor to get voters to turn out and flip seats. In fact, it's at odds with what we just saw.

And it's directly at odds with your previous claim that we lose seats by running moderate candidates.
 

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None of this is true. Sanders campaigned for Hillary after the convention, just like she did for Obama. In fact, they stayed in the race the same amount of time essentially. He campaigned more for her than any other loser in history. Lastly, Bernie's "rabid fanbase" were primary voters. Most people don't vote in primaries. HRC was supposed to be able to win off her "strength with black voters," and I kept telling y'all that there is a difference betwen a reliable Democrat and black primary voters. Black voter turnout decreeased for the first time in 20 years. Trump won a smaller percentage of the vote than Romney. HRC lost because her campaign was trash and no one who is seriously involved in politics believes it was Bernie's fault unless they are a loyalist. I was in meetings where people straight up said, "the people just don't like her. there's nothing we can do about it."
Say word :ohhh: how is that even quantified? :mjlol: what else did he do more than any other candidate in history? :mjlol:

Y’all love that man more than y’all love what he “stands” for which is a major problem alone

And y’all still can’t answer @Call Me James question but somehow writing dissertations on how you are unbiased but Bernie was/is the best candidate of all time :camby:
 
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