2020 Democratic Primary Thread: Focus on House & Senate races

[MoneyTron]

Once again, this is for passing legislation that could actually make a difference, not just "winning." If winning is all you care about...well...this is still a good strategy.

As base as that objective is, I think the majority of voters are saying that's all they want to focus on right now.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Ben Dixon out here thinking he's got clout

Dude's gonna get that negro wake up call soon

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

 

[Althalucian]

No one is president for ever. Whats the point of this exercise?

Critical thinking? Thinking ahead?

You ever think ahead about your finances, your job, your family, your health? Is it too much to think about past the 2020 president election into future ones?

 

[duncanthetall]

Never having to see another Krystal Ball post in HL. This is one of the benefits of a Biden victory.

Are you dumb? Krystal Ball has been around as a progressive voice for a while. She was one of the people begging Warren to run as early as 2014. Y’all really hate a competent female that’s not on your side. That misogyny just flooooooows on out

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

Never having to see another Krystal Ball post in HL. This is one of the benefits of a Biden victory.

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

Sigh...I can't believe I have to say this, but with Biden being the nominee...

Democrats need to lose the 2020 Presidential election if they ever want to pass a single large piece of progressive legislation in the next 12 years.

Biden's presidency will be awful, for:

• Left leaning Democrats and progressives in terms of policy (by his and his wife's own admission - he is fighting for the status quo and to defeat Trump, but that's it)
• Moderate Democrats because of the perception that Biden is a horrible president WHEN and WHILE he is president - expect it and think ahead for a moment: his old age, dementia, gaffes, no change - a neoliberalism way worse than the WORST aspects of Obama or Hillary, etc.

If Biden becomes president, I think it guarantees that a Republican will win the Presidency in 2024. They won't have Trump tied around their necks anymore because the American people (especially Republicans) get political amnesia easily. Republicans have a great number of talented people in their 50s and 60s who are poised to run and win. They are very hungry and very smart. They will easily defeat Biden, who people will be very over at that point considering all of his weaknesses and age. The man can't even be trusted to run an incumbent campaign. And then, we will likely have a two-term Republican president until at least 2032.

2032

2032

A continuing Trump presidency, however, will push Democratic voters to vote in an overwhelming amount of Democrats into power in 2024, guaranteeing a majority in the House, Senate, and of course the Presidency, thereby giving them the opportunity to pass some actual policy. Some actual change - imagine that. Think what happened to Obama in 2012 and 2016, but for Republicans. They got a lot of power, momentum, and eventually a majority, even with crazy Trump. Or, you could just imagine a 2008 Obama Presidency, with a real supermajority.

You'll also have a refreshed group of 2024 Democratic candidates who are poised and ready to battle the Republican candidates. Those Republican candidates will have Trump tied around their neck - making it easier to defeat a Nikki Haley or Sasse or whomever. Oh, and if you want to get really angry, if we have Biden as President, that increases the likelihood that the first woman to become president will be a woman: Nikki Haley. Imagine how that would blow up the Democratic narrative for women.

The downside of this strategy is Trump likely getting another conservative or two on the Supreme Court. The neutral side to this is that there are already 9 Supreme court justices, and 5 are already conservative, so it's not like it isn't stacked in their favor. But, you have to see it this way: control of two out of three branches of government so you can pass progressive policy, OR two supreme court justices which represent only one branch of government (and generally, but not always, a non-activist one, in comparison to the Executive and Legislative branch). But yeah, that's a huge downside.

The other downside is that Trump will bring chaos for the next four years and who knows what he might do. This is a pure risky trade-off.

Once again, this is for passing legislation that could actually make a difference, not just "winning." If winning is all you care about...well...this is still a good strategy.

Anyone want to counter this?

(Edit: btw, I'm not talking about Warren or Bernie or whatever...just the reality of Biden being the nominee.)

you wrote all this on the premise of biden running again?

yall are tripping, if anything, biden buys time for dems to figure out who to bring off the bench, and they will definitely all be further left than him

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

At this point I think some people *want* Biden to lose to Trump because of what that’d do to their assumptions about winning politics

If Biden wins in November I can see Greenwald, Grim, Tracey etc be more devastated than Trump actually getting re-elected.

Tracy and Greenwald, yeah. I wouldn’t put Grim in that category though.

 

[Joe Sixpack]

Bernie has to make strategic decisions on where to campaign. Michigan is a swing state and one of the states that Trump won...

He’s making a decision that unfortunately will have repercussions

 

[Althalucian]

you wrote all this on the premise of biden running again?

yall are tripping, if anything, biden buys time for dems to figure out who to bring off the bench, and they will definitely all be further left than him

No, even if he didn't it would be the same outcome in that prediction. The American people have no memory. They will blame Biden for all problems during his presidency and if he is a terrible leader during that time Democrats get blasted for choosing a shytty president.

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

No, even if he didn't it would be the same outcome in that prediction. The American people have no memory. They will blame Biden for all problems during his presidency and if he is a terrible leader during that time Democrats get blasted for choosing a shytty president.

this would be the case no matter what dem was sitting, if they inherit a downturn, they get blamed. this doesn't work out any differently for bernie who'd also be a one term president and have republicans fired up to take the WH back. and bernie's platform needs a two termer int he first place, so outside of executive orders, i don't see the death of progressive legislation just because he doesn't win, he was going to need more time than he had anyway. this is a reset, people already giving up 2024 when we're not even to 2020

 

[FAH1223]

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[King Kreole]

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[Cognito]

Fang is a idiot. Tulcels lost the plot.

 

[duncanthetall]

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