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Correct, but not everybody that voted Trump in '16 is part of his cult of idiots. Many were just generic Republicans who were voting that way regardless. Some were possible Dems who bought into all the insane propaganda against Hillary over the years. Some were just sexist. Some were fools who thought Trump was a good businessman.

I hate to break it to y'all, but an old white guy promising things to these people can beat Trump, and easily. I can see Bernie winning by 20%. I can see these folks spending 2021 saying "Yeah, hey, wait a minute, why doesn't congress enact President Bernie's agenda? I'm voting for his progressive pals in 2022, I want the economy fixed."

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Doubtful. All Trump has to do is tell them Bernie wants to take their stuff and give it to undeserving black and brown people, he's a socialist, the immigrant caravan is coming, fake news, etc. and they'll stick with Trump.

There's a small chance the Dems can win, but like @NY's #1 Draft Pick said it's if and only if more Dems turn out. Jesus himself wouldn't be able to convince Trump voters to change their minds.
 

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Doubtful. All Trump has to do is tell them Bernie wants to take their stuff and give it to undeserving black and brown people, he's a socialist, the immigrant caravan is coming, fake news, etc. and they'll stick with Trump.
Nope. A large number of Trump voters have expressed regret at voting for him. He won't get them all again. Remember, Bernie went on Fox and got these rednecks to agree that healthcare is a right. He is the Cac whisperer.

Jesus himself wouldn't be able to convince Trump voters to change their minds.
Jesus was a Jew who was hated and feared by the establishment because he wanted to turn over the tables and upset the money. :ohhh:
 

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Nope. A large number of Trump voters have expressed regret at voting for him. He won't get them all again.

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Obama-Trump Country: Voters Aren’t Regretting the Switch | National Review
Poll: 96 Percent of Trump Voters Don’t Regret It

Jesus was a Jew who was hated and feared by the establishment because he wanted to turn over the tables and upset the money. :ohhh:

And he'd have about as much luck convincing Trump supporters as he did the Romans. :francis:
 

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Hillary Clinton is white. They didn't vote for her. I'm sorry, but you don't get it.
no, you seem not to get it. her being the same race has nothing to do with what they identified with.

she's campaigning on a platform that's about inclusiveness of the diver dem coalition, many of whom's issues seemed to be preoccupying dems - gay rights, immigration reform, etc - while also not spending time with them

trump used dog whistle racial polictics while making promises to them that excluded minorities...his rhetoric was 100% about restoring the old days of the white man having all the options. you're being dishonest to ignore their stances and pretend race should've been some equalizer


Nope. Bernie is the most popular Dem candidate among URM.
do you just make shyt up? he may have made inroads with young URM (the average young person doesn't vote anyway), but with black voters, there definitely is a segment not fukking with him due to his reluctance to talk specifics in helping blacks. and then the 55 and up black folks will definitely vote biden or kamala. blacks 30-50 will likely be all over the board, except down south where they'll likely be for biden, or whoever seems stronger between kamala and booker. again, your outsider status really doesn't understand the black community.

i can't speak for where latinos fall...but even a quick google search reveals
Black Voters Like Bernie Sanders Just Fine — They Just Might Like Other Candidates More
https://www.vox.com/2019/3/7/18216899/bernie-sanders-bro-base-polling-2020-president
But in this poll, Sanders’s support is driven by voters ages 18 to 44, more so than any other candidate in the race right now. The older, and wealthier, the voter gets, the less interested they are in Sanders. These results are consistent with five national polls between November 2018 and March 2019 — and with exit polls from 2016 primaries.

“It’s younger. It’s more diverse. It’s people of color,” Joshua Ulibarri, a partner with the Democratic research firm Lake Research Partners, said of Sanders’s coalition. “It’s still pretty Anglo, [but] he has made some inroads with African Americans.”

Among those 18 to 24 years of age, 59 percent supported Sanders. But in the 65-plus age range, his support dropped 10 points, to 49 percent.
https://www.vox.com/2019/2/19/18231538/bernie-sanders-2020-win-chances-gallup
^^^ this one brings up good points about social conservatism of minority dem voters (which is also an issue for "heartland" american voters). thus far dems have had the ability to dance around tentpole issues - jobs/min wage, debt, education, health care, but once we get into people having to flush out their platform, various stances on social issues will further split voters.

he has a lot of work to do, don't conflate early leads due to name recognition/popularity with how people will break once the real campaigning starts. if you can't win a significant portion of the black vote and older dem vote (who are more conservative...and the base that participates more highly in primaries)...you're not winning the nomination. yall are being too quick to crown dude when we're pretty m


These people voted for Obama before voting for Trump. They just want change. Obama offered that, McCain did not. Trump offered that, Hillary did not. Bernie offers that, Trump does not, Biden does not, Beto does not, Copmala does not, Pete Booty Guy does not, and so on.
they voted obama because they were voting dem, their support of him declined in the second run and clearly declined again during hilary, lasting demographic shifts in political parties isn't something new....blacks shifted from repub to dem, white southerners from dem to repub, asians from repub/split to dem. yall are funny to act like a wave of a wand reverses course. if you activate white nationalism within a segment of voters, that alone will >>>>> policy anyday...white women made this astoundingly clear with their 2016 vote.
 

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Polling data sure looks different when it's framed around top choice instead of nebulous concepts...

I don't think juelzing at the debates is going to help either.:youngsabo:
 

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Polling data sure looks different when it's framed around top choice instead of nebulous concepts...

I don't think juelzing at the debates is going to help either.:youngsabo:

It's still within the margin of error
Y'all are reaching. :Ifyouinsist:
 

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The fact that Warren and Sanders combined are at about 50% let's you know that the party is not going back to the center.
The youngest voters are further left. But the top priority for dem/dem leaning voters is beating Trump and most are willing to vote for someone they don't agree with ideologically to do so. We even saw this in 2018 elections.

That said, the democratic part will likely remain a moving target for voters looking to address economic and social issues.



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Today healthcare and the economy are the two largest issues aside from trump. I don't think much has changed with regard to voter prioties from 2012, 2016, to today. And I think the dem party will remain center left for a long time. :yeshrug:
 
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