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dem political strategy on a national scale just seems like a clusterfukk, too many factions trying to unite, each one with different tentpole issues, some of which other factions oppose. for repubs, as long as you support guns, god, corporations, and :mjpls:, the rest don't even matter.

Yep. The problem is the Democratic base is almost impossible to please unless you have a once-in-a-lifetime candidate like Obama.

Otherwise, they have every excuse in the book not to vote (Bernie-or-bust, ADOS, Hillary's emails, both sides are the same, crime bill 25 years ago, etc.), meanwhile Republicans vote come hell or high water.
 

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Yep. The problem is the Democratic base is almost impossible to please unless you have a once-in-a-lifetime candidate like Obama.

Otherwise, they have every excuse in the book not to vote (Bernie-or-bust, ADOS, Hillary's emails, both sides are the same, crime bill 25 years ago, etc.), meanwhile Republicans vote come hell or high water.
maybe another four years of trump wont be so bad after all :sadcam:
 

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truth be told, neither are beating trump. warren being the better dem candidate, bernie being the more popular dem candidate...as much as i want warren in the WH, at the end of the day, i don't see either energinzing the entire dem base nor "flipping" these so-called trumptards the dem party is putting so much energy behind.
:beli: You don’t have to flip these trump tards they ain’t changing for shyt. The dem base is going to turn out regardless who it is. Especially with the grassroots organizations that have popped up the last two years. They worked hard to flip the house and just like they got independents out and moderate republicans to flip the house I believe the same will happen in 2020
 

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:beli: You don’t have to flip these trump tards they ain’t changing for shyt. The dem base is going to turn out regardless who it is. Especially with the grassroots organizations that have popped up the last two years. They worked hard to flip the house and just like they got independents out and moderate republicans to flip the house I believe the same will happen in 2020
I cannot speak for your home state of Florida, however, I can speak for Pennsylvania. Pennsylvania will give the president more electoral votes. We know it is a census year, and we are trying to take over the upper chamber of Harrisburg.
 

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I cannot speak for your home state of Florida, however, I can speak for Pennsylvania. Pennsylvania will give the president more electoral votes. We know it is a census year, and we are trying to take over the upper chamber of Harrisburg.
:mjlol: I totally agree with you. This the most ass backwards state in the union.i know we gonna fight out here to get the word out but the gop machine is big out here plus a state full of idiots. The fact that they granted ex cons the right to vote may help a bit.
 

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You don’t have to flip these trump tards they ain’t changing for shyt.
Correct, but not everybody that voted Trump in '16 is part of his cult of idiots. Many were just generic Republicans who were voting that way regardless. Some were possible Dems who bought into all the insane propaganda against Hillary over the years. Some were just sexist. Some were fools who thought Trump was a good businessman.

I hate to break it to y'all, but an old white guy promising things to these people can beat Trump, and easily. I can see Bernie winning by 20%. I can see these folks spending 2021 saying "Yeah, hey, wait a minute, why doesn't congress enact President Bernie's agenda? I'm voting for his progressive pals in 2022, I want the economy fixed."

:manny:
 

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Correct, but not everybody that voted Trump in '16 is part of his cult of idiots. Many were just generic Republicans who were voting that way regardless. Some were possible Dems who bought into all the insane propaganda against Hillary over the years. Some were just sexist. Some were fools who thought Trump was a good businessman.

I hate to break it to y'all, but an old white guy promising things to these people can beat Trump, and easily. I can see Bernie winning by 20%. I can see these folks spending 2021 saying "Yeah, hey, wait a minute, why doesn't congress enact President Bernie's agenda? I'm voting for his progressive pals in 2022, I want the economy fixed."

:manny:
i hate to break it to you, but nah...

not when a good portion of them deflected because their (i should actually be saying yall's, you've got white privilege, and thus blindness, dripping from so many of your posts) whiteness, and thus power, felt threatened. i'm not going to paint all working class white dem-trump voters that way, but a big portion are, and yall refuse to acknowledge that. majority of americans vote on emotion/party identification, not real policy. bernie coming along promising them stuff but refusing to really connect his policy and talking points to URM weakens his support from a core dem base, yet if he does make clear how his policies are helpful to URM, those trump voters stick with trump. don't be obtuse
 

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a good portion of them deflected because their whiteness, and thus power, felt threatened.
Hillary Clinton is white. They didn't vote for her. I'm sorry, but you don't get it.

bernie coming along promising them stuff but refusing to really connect his policy and talking points to URM weakens his support from a core dem base
Nope. Bernie is the most popular Dem candidate among URM.

yet if he does make clear how his policies are helpful to URM, those trump voters stick with trump.
These people voted for Obama before voting for Trump. They just want change. Obama offered that, McCain did not. Trump offered that, Hillary did not. Bernie offers that, Trump does not, Biden does not, Beto does not, Copmala does not, Pete Booty Guy does not, and so on.
 
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