you posting about it at 4/5am, I figure
because I posted links at 4am I'm afraid of bloomberg? You think I stayed up all night? Then you think I stayed up to look for links about bloomberg?
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because I posted links at 4am I'm afraid of bloomberg? You think I stayed up all night? Then you think I stayed up to look for links about bloomberg?
King Kreole
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What are you claiming she is fake and inauthentic about if not her professed (and proven btw) progressive politics?
Dusty Bake Activate
Fukk your corny debates
Dems are gonna control the Virginia legislature and Northam is the Dem Governor. Yet Dems don’t want to repeal right to work laws.
King Kreole
natural blondie like goku
Yes
This is normally the point where posters go into a diatribe about how much p*ssy they get or some lame shyt like that....Yes
But I won't take the bait
Not even when I lived in ny and dodged stop and frisk did I allow bloomberg to keep me up at night...pause
These articles are cheesy
How can you consider polls a snapshot in time, then argue that 1 week of release polling of polls done at different times signals the end for a campaign.
ON TOP of the fact that these "Warren is sliding" articles JUST SO HAPPEN to coincide with Pete's sudden rejuvenation
Where does it say anything about them paying exactly the same in taxes as they would pay for healthcare?Warrens making them pay the same they’re already paying for employees breh.
they’re 100% still paying for healthcare insurance, it’s just reconfigured as a tax
You can use this to argue that the employees are still paying for healthcare, just reconfigured as taxes. Which is true, you are still paying for healthcare, but it will still save the average worker money.
You went from saying that she thinks her plan would cause employers to give out raises to assuming employers will cut wages if her plan went through. You didnt even understand what you posted. It's all bullshyt fear tactics to convince people that the current system is the only solution that can work.
I support Bernie for president, but I have no problem voting Warren if she's the nominee. I like both candidates.
Everyone else other than Yang is pure trash.
Yangs my dog. He's keeping it real about automation.
No. Warren says her plan will give out raises. She thinks that when your employee contribution isnt there, you get that money back and she calls that a "raise". She then assumes all employers will give out new wages at the same rate they did before M4ALL.
I'll help you understand.
Old Way
(These are dummy numbers) You get a job offer of 65k, 5k of that is in the offer to cover your employee contribution for healthcare. When you get a promotion, the amount they offer to you of 10k for the promotion, they allocate 2k as for your healthcare costs. So after promotion you make 75k and they assume you'll spend 7k of that on healthcare costs. Thats how 90% of people on salary are compensated for ppl that make under 150K a year.
Your take home pay at first is 60k 65-5k(healthcare). and after promotion is 68k 75k-7k(healthcare)
Warrens Way
You get a job offer of 65k, the extra 5k that they gave you to cover healthcare, but you no longer have to pay this so SHE ASSUMES they'll keep giving it you. When you get a promotion, the amount they offer to you of 10k for the promotion, the allocation of another 2k that doesn't need to be paid, SHE ASSUMES they'll keep giving it you.
Your proposed take home pay with Warren is 65k and 75k. Thats way more than the old way. 65k to 60k. 75k to 68k.
But here's the bullshyt she's selling.
She thinks the extra 5k in your job and the other 2k you got when you were promoted that they give to cover healthcare costs. That they'll keep giving that you, even though you dont have to pay for health insurance anymore. She's banking them to continue to pay you for something you no longer have to pay for.She thinks your employer will continue to give you that extra 7k a year out of the kindness of their hearts.
That not how business works.
If they're giving you a bump in salary to help with healthcare costs. Why would they continue giving you that extra 7k if you no longer need it. She's the biggest corporate hater and then thinks those same corporations won't pocket the 7k themselves instead of just giving it to you.Its a bold face lie.
Your take home pay under Warren will not change.
Your initial offer of 65k will only be 60k, thats because theyre not adding more to account for the healthcare costs you pay. Your promotion will be for 75k will only be 68k. Thats bc theyre not just going to just keep giving you 7k for a cost you no longer have.
Theyre taking that 7k back for themselves. And she's banking on them to continue giving you that 7k, because she needs to tax it to pay for Medicare for all. You're not getting that 7k and shes not getting the tax from that 7k. Fugazi numbers
Now when it comes to what your employers contribution will be to your healthcare, thats completely seperate than what the topic above. Warrens states that all employer contributions will just be rerouted to medicare for all.
https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/6535845/Elizabeth-Warren-Medicare-for-All-Plan.pdf "
Under this maintenance-of-effort requirement, state and local governments will redirect $3.3
trillion of what they currently spend to support Medicaid and the Children’s Health Insurance
Program and $2.7 trillion of what they currently spend on employer contributions to private
insurance premiums for their employees into Medicare for All
"Existing total private sector employer contributions to health insurance will continue in
the form of contributions to Medicare"
Ya'll need to read her bill brehs
it's all in there
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the next guy
Superstar
You actually have to pay for things if you want them.I dont support M4A if it means middle class taxes have to go up 6%.
King Kreole
natural blondie like goku
The poll prognostications are less interesting to me than the quotes and thoughts from fellow Democrats and M4A-fence-sitters. I don’t think Warren is dead by any means, but I do think this episode will have lasting consequences for the growth of the M4A movement.
Let me make this clear. I fully support M4A but I can’t help but to call out some people on the left for shytting of reparations because it is only at 32% popularity in the polls.
I hope people like Kyle and Ana that defended Bernie on not supporting reparations because it is “decisive” and “not popular” keep that same energy for M4A now that it is polling low. Of course they are not. And they shouldn’t. My point is you don’t Stop fighting for the right position just because it doesn’t have majority support.
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