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I just want to be clear, I’m not supporting the bill. I’m just giving context to how the bill was passed and the support it had in the black community.

People were calling for more police and tougher sentencing for drug gangs that were tearing the black community apart with violence.

I don’t know how old you are, but Im in my 40s and trust when I tell you those times were legit scary and dangerous. There were a lot of sociopaths and psychopaths victimizing the black community and they needed to be taken off the street. Look up some of the more famous criminals like Preacher, Monster Kody, Wayne Perry, Alpo etc. These were not good guys and it was to the benefit of the black community to have them off the street.

Now, the comparison with opioids is true but only to a certain extent. Opioid epidemic doesn’t have my where close to the violence of the crack epidemic.

My solution would have been to decriminalize drugs and avoid “the war on drugs” completely.
calling for more policing is a local thing, not making discrepancies in sentencing, disparate conviction rates etc. and along with wanting more safety there was a huge ask for more community resources. furthermore, i don't give that bill any credibility as the US has a long history of using law/the criminal justice to keep blacks disenfranchised. i wont say all who voted yes knew what that law was doing, but those who brokered it (working with the lobbyist, private prisons, and other groups that stood to profit from increased prison populations) knew exactly what they were doing.

i lived that era too, albeit younger than you, but in Cali in particular, I saw firsthand how those fed laws and Cali's 3 strikes decimated the black male population in the 90's/00's. nikkas was getting popped and catching charges fast AF, young dudes on some petty shyt. they fukked up these dudes for life on low grade distro charges, these wasn't even violent dudes.
 

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So essentially your point is that records don't matter? If some shyt is popular back then than we shouldn't blame them is what your trying to say right? Get the fukk out of here.


That shyt is disqualifying period. The devastation that had on the black community cannot be understated. fukk that Bill and anyone who voted for it.

So I assume you're just not going to vote? I'm not aware of any candidates that voted against it.
 

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Warren was a Republican. Almost all Democrats voted for the bill. If you think she would've voted against it, lol at you.

Besides, she needed those types of bills so she could lay claim to touching an enemy without killing them so she could ascend to war chief.
 

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Warren was a Republican. Almost all Democrats voted for the bill. If you think she would've voted against it, lol at you.

Besides, she needed those types of bills so she could lay claim to touching an enemy without killing them so she could ascend to war chief.

Once again fam I'm just sitting here waiting for evidence. If all you got is conjecture that's ok....but at the end of the day we have it on record which two of these candidates voted for that bullshyt.

Don't let me stop yall with my petty "identity politics" though.
 

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black people weren't calling for this, we were calling for help and resources and better funded schools, jobs, access to health care and other things we needed to improve our quality of life and thus curb the allure of illegal activity. these law makers took it upon themselves to structure a bill and laws that would hyper-penalize "black crime" as opposed to crimes of others.

how one can defend this then turn around and look at the response to crime/drug use in today's white community - billions being spent to fund treatment and rehab of opioid addiction, addicts being looked at with compassion, sellers completely absolved as the government spends billions suing the drug companies who produced the opioids as opposed to the lowlifes selling them on the black market...fukk up outta here with this "we needed something"...that crime bill was the denouement of reagan era tough on crime/welfare queen rhetoric and policy. devastated the black community and wiped out the socio-economic gains we made in the late 60's-early 80's....set us back decades once again
Not true. Black people were asking for both tougher law enforcement and better allocation of resources for money, school, jobs, etc. It wasn’t either/or.

Yall must be too young to remember the 80’s and 90’s. A lot of places were straight up open air drug markets with neighborhoods controlled by violent youth gangs, and the communities were asking for the police to come lock people up who were selling crack right outside their door.

The problem of course was the drug war should’ve never happened, and drug addiction should’ve been treated as a public health crisis, not criminal justice issue that was inherently racist.
 
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Not true. Black people were asking for both tougher law enforcement and better allocation of resources and money.

Yall must be too young to remember the 80’s and 90’s. A lot of places were straight up open air drug markets with neighborhoods controlled by youth gangs, and the communities were asking for the police to come lock people up who were selling crack right outside their door.

The problem of course was the drug war should’ve never happened, and drug addiction should’ve been treated as a public health crisis, not criminal justice issue that was inherently racist.
law enforcement isn't a fed legislation issue, which i addressed in my f/u post
 

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Warren was a Republican. Almost all Democrats voted for the bill. If you think she would've voted against it, lol at you.

Besides, she needed those types of bills so she could lay claim to touching an enemy without killing them so she could ascend to war chief.
Warren was not a politician until 2012.

Nice try, troll.
 

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Economist: Warren is right. Her Medicare for All plan won't raise taxes on the middle class
Mark Zandi for CNN Business Perspectives
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Mark Zandi is chief economist of Moody's Analytics. He was an advisor to John McCain's 2008 presidential campaign and supported Hillary Clinton in the 2016 presidential election. The opinions expressed in this commentary are his own.

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It's no secret that I'm not a fan of Medicare for All. That's why I'm impressed that Senator Elizabeth Warren's campaign reached out to me to independently review her proposed financing plan for the program. Her numbers add up and her plan fully finances the program without imposing any new taxes on middle-class families.

The most important source of revenue for Warren's Medicare for All plan is simply to have businesses pay their employees' health insurance premiums to Medicare instead of private insurance companies. Over time, businesses would be required to pay slightly less to Medicare for health insurance than they would otherwise have paid to private insurers. New small businesses with fewer than 50 employees would not be required to make these payments.

There has been some handwringing that this would be regressive. That is, lower-paid workers would suffer, since businesses would pay more for lower-paid workers' health insurance as a percent of their pay than for higher-paid workers. But companies' current premiums generally vary by the type of insurance plan and family size, and not by employee income. Warren's Medicare for All plan effectively preserves this. And by replacing trillions of dollars in individual spending on health care with new taxes on large corporations and the rich, her plan overall is clearly progressive.

Warren's Medicare for All plan is also paid for in part by the taxes generated from the increase in take-home pay that workers will enjoy as they no longer pay toward private health insurance. The typical worker shells out several thousand dollars a year, untaxed, to insure their family. Under Medicare for All, that worker would receive that money as wages, which would be subject under existing law to income and payroll taxes.

Large too-big-to-fail banks, financial firms and large multinational corporations would also pay more to fund Warren's M4A. While the merits of these tax increases are debatable, there is little debate regarding the revenues they will generate. This is based on past work done by the Congressional Budget Office and Joint Committee on Taxation, the non-partisan government organizations that assess the budgetary costs of government spending and tax policies.

Perhaps the most controversial of Warren's proposed methods to finance Medicare for All is to increase taxes on the super-rich. This includes significantly upping her wealth tax on the nation's 600-plus billionaires. Some critics believe Warren's taxes on the wealthy would be unfairly confiscatory, substantially cutting into their wealth. Perhaps. But over the past two generations, the top 0.1% of Americans has seen its share of the nation's wealth more than double to 20%. This trend is not consistent with a well-functioning market economy and democracy like ours'.

Criticism that Warren is overestimating the revenue she can hope to generate from the wealth tax is overblown. She addresses these concerns by saying she will empower and appropriately fund the Internal Revenue Service to go after those who willfully avoid paying their taxes. Enforcing our tax laws and best practices on tax compliance can generate significant revenue. Closing America's tax gap — the difference between taxes owed and taxes paid —would help Warren get the revenue she needs.

To be sure, these aren't the only taxes on the wealthy that Warren has proposed. In addition to the wealth tax, which she also uses to pay for her child care, college affordability and K-12 education plans, she wants a larger estate tax to pay for her housing plan, higher payroll and net investment income taxes would go toward her Social Security reforms, and she supports repealing Trump's tax cuts for high-income households to generate even more revenue for her plans. With this combination of tax changes, there is a reasonable concern that the wealthy will work overtime to avoid paying.

But once we start to consider the broader consequences of the totality of Warren's plans, it's incumbent we do so with regard to both her tax proposals but also the investments those taxes will fund.
Based on my own analyses, Warren's plans for child care, housing and green manufacturing would spur economic growth and produce more tax revenue. Considering the economic impact of all her proposals (an analysis no one has done yet), it is very possible that total government revenues generated by her plans will exceed the total amount of new investments she proposes. Criticism that Senator Warren's Medicare for All plan can't be paid for, at least not without putting a greater financial burden on lower- and middle-income Americans, is wrong.

Of course, Warren's Medicare for All plan isn't the only way to provide health insurance to all Americans, rein in growing health care costs and improve health care outcomes. A more tractable approach in my view is to allow those who like their private health insurance to keep it and to build on Obamacare by giving everyone else an option to get Medicare.

I don't agree with Warren's vision for our health care system, but I admire that she has clearly and credibly laid out that vision and that she sought out the opinions of those who may disagree with her to provide independent validation of her numbers. That's the kind of rigor we should expect from all of our presidential candidates.



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