2016 NBA Draft and beyond (labelplant edition).. 4/4/16 UPDATE: 2017 Draft Big Board

[Swagnificent]

Really? You think Durant, Harden and AD are just gonna fade into old age?

Why even put Simmons on that list, he hasn't played a game and yet you claim he'll be a top 10 player.

You're better off putting Booker or Jokic up there.

Durant and Harden will be 33-34 years old in 2022. Other than for Jordan and Kobe, nobody in NBA history has been super elite at such an advanced age. They'll be 2015-2017 D-Wade status by that point. Anthony Davis has not proven he can stay healthy at a young age. What makes you think he will be able to stay healthy at an advanced age?

I think Simmons is a surefire future superstar. Its not much of a stretch for me to say he'll be a top 10 player in the future.

Booker and Jokic are all-star talents. They are not superstars. At best they're fringe top 10 players but most likely are in the 11-20 range.

 

[Swagnificent]

I think a lot of your brehs are sleeping on just how special Lonzo Ball is.....He may not wow you but his basketball IQ is super high....He is also a better athlete than he gets credit for. And while he may not get to the rim or shoot the mid-range shot much everything about him strikes me as efficient. He plays winning basketball isn't afraid to make the extra pass or hit the clutch shot....If your team fits into either of the following scenarios Lonzo Ball is the perfect fit 1.Ball Dominant SF or SG 2.Combo Guard at PG....

Loans would be a good fit on these teams:

Lakers- With him and D-snitch in the backcourt they can both pick and choose their spots.

Suns- Him next to Booker in the backcourt with TJ Warren and Criss in the front court is a good look.....He could play both guard spots coming off the bench behind Bledsoe...Allowing Bledsoe to concentrate on his strengths....He would make up for the weakness by being able to create looks for the other suns. Something they are very weak at.

Mavs- He could come in and start immediately at PG.

Nuggets- While they already have a combo guard in Murray and Mudiay having him would allow them to be more versatile and he is a better shot creator for others.

T-wolves- Would be one of the best fits for him. He could concentrate on getting the ball to the scorers on the T-wolves but also be a threat to stretch the floor....

Magic- As with the T-wolves he would be a threat to stretch the floor but he could also play in the backcourt at the 2 along with Payton...

76ers- This is to me "his" perfect fit...Splitting ball handling with Ben Simmons. If they add a Shooter at either SG or SF to go along with Simmons and Embiid this team will be offensively efficient.....

Kings- Another good fit...But I think the best fit for the Kings is a ball dominant PG like Dennis Smith...But if they lucked out and fell into Lonzo he could be the player to help turn them around...They need someone who is efficient and a team player but knows how to pick and choose when to assert themselves....Adding Lonzo to Cousins and an upgrade at the 2/3 (Maybe Dion Waiters) could go a long way.

He's my favorite player in this draft. Only guy with an outside shot at being a superstar. Lakers would be a great fit for him cause D-Lo isn't a traditional PG.

 

[str8up]

Here's my top 15 SGs at the moment, might post my top 15 forwards and centers tonight, mock draft 1.0 tomorrow.

1. Malik Monk
2. Luke Kennard
3. Bruce Brown
4. Sviatoslav Mykhailiuk
5. Donovan Mitchell
6. Allonzo Trier
7. P.J. Dozier
8. Peter Jok
9. Rawle Alkins
10. Mustapha Heron
11. Sindarius Thornwell
12. Grayson Allen
13. Josh Hart
14. E.C. Matthews
15. Terrance Ferguson

 

[010101]

swaggless overcoached robotic as fukk all.a.dem*

 

[NatiboyB]

Here's my top 15 SGs at the moment, might post my top 15 forwards and centers tonight, mock draft 1.0 tomorrow.

1. Malik Monk
2. Luke Kennard
3. Bruce Brown
4. Sviatoslav Mykhailiuk
5. Donovan Mitchell
6. Allonzo Trier
7. P.J. Dozier
8. Peter Jok
9. Rawle Alkins
10. Mustapha Heron
11. Sindarius Thornwell
12. Grayson Allen
13. Josh Hart
14. E.C. Matthews
15. Terrance Ferguson

I understand you have Ferguson down because he's overseas....But there is no way that him and Josh Hart should be that low in terms of NBA potential...I have them right after Monk.

 

[str8up]

I understand you have Ferguson down because he's overseas....But there is no way that him and Josh Hart should be that low in terms of NBA potential...I have them right after Monk.

I just don't like Ferguson's game at all, at his best I see him as an athletic 3 & D, that is if he can become a consistent shooter. The effort is there on defense at least.

As far as Josh Hart goes, I'm not that big a fan of him either, he's a really good college player but I don't see it translating to the next level. There are a lot of things that he'll need to do that are either completely vacant, won't transition or he is just bad at.

 

[Poitier]

I understand you have Ferguson down because he's overseas....But there is no way that him and Josh Hart should be that low in terms of NBA potential...I have them right after Monk.

Have to agree. Mitchell is also to low.

Brown, Dozier and Heron are all potential lottery guys but I don't see any of them declaring this year.

 

[FreedS[ohh]lave]

What's Fergusons ceiling? "Krhris Middleton?

 

[Llcoolbay]

Have to agree. Mitchell is also to low.

Brown, Dozier and Heron are all potential lottery guys but I don't see any of them declaring this year.

What about Antonio Blakeney

 

[str8up]

Have to agree. Mitchell is also to low.

Brown, Dozier and Heron are all potential lottery guys but I don't see any of them declaring this year.

I've been back and forth about Mitchell, I used to have him a lot lower but I'm just going to keep watching.

I don't think all 3 will declare but I rate players based on their potential at the next level + how their current skill set translates.

 

[Poitier]

What's Fergusons ceiling? "Krhris Middleton?

I've seen people say Terrence Ross with elite perimeter defense

What about Antonio Blakeney

I never liked his IQ as a player and he really doesn't offer much if he isn't making shots

 

[str8up]

Two-way contracts will likely factor into a lot of these underclassmen with high upside declaring for the draft as well. I don't really see it replacing the draft and stash model but rather adding a "local" version along side it.

 

[Poitier]

Two-way contracts

explain this

 

[str8up]

explain this

Adds a 16th & 17th roster spot designated for players who will go back and forth from the NBA roster to their D-League affiliate. Allows for teams to keep some of these younger raw guys around without them taking up a roster spot.

A team like the Cavs who can't really afford to keep a young player on the roster and leave them in the d-league when they could use that roster spot for needed veteran help will benefit a lot from this.

Since it is designated for these types of players it gives underclassmen more contract security as well.

If that makes any sense. I'll try to clarify any of the poor wording.

 

[str8up]

It won't really benefit seniors or guys who went undrafted for non-basketball related reasons though, the money is less than you'd get from just signing with a D-League team and let any NBA sign you so players who are more proven likely won't be as interested in signing.

For example, a guy like Marques Bolden would be a prime candidate to sign a two-way contract if he decided to come out this year. Which would be a dumb decision but hey, some guys would rather get paid and sit in the D-League for awhile.