2016 NBA Draft and beyond (labelplant edition).. 4/4/16 UPDATE: 2017 Draft Big Board

[funkee]

Here's my top 15 SGs at the moment, might post my top 15 forwards and centers tonight, mock draft 1.0 tomorrow.

1. Malik Monk
2. Luke Kennard
3. Bruce Brown
4. Sviatoslav Mykhailiuk
5. Donovan Mitchell
6. Allonzo Trier
7. P.J. Dozier
8. Peter Jok
9. Rawle Alkins
10. Mustapha Heron
11. Sindarius Thornwell
12. Grayson Allen
13. Josh Hart
14. E.C. Matthews
15. Terrance Ferguson

dude...i like your college analysis most of the time, but this list is pretty bad in alot of spots. svi is way too high as is mitchell, trier should be a bit lower at this stage, and rawle alkins doesn't belong on this list as a SG imo. allen, hart, and ferguson should all be higher as well, especially allen and ferguson.

 

[NatiboyB]

What's Fergusons ceiling? "Krhris Middleton?

he's more of a terrance ross type to me....Long guy whose explosive and can shoot the 3.....I think he will basically develop into an exciting Swing (SG/SF) who can hit the 3 and play D....Athletic 3 and D guy...Which is a position of value.

 

[str8up]

dude...i like your college analysis most of the time, but this list is pretty bad in alot of spots. svi is way too high as is mitchell, trier should be a bit lower at this stage, and rawle alkins doesn't belong on this list as a SG imo. allen, hart, and ferguson should all be higher as well, especially allen and ferguson.

Mitchell is a better player right now, but Mykhailiuk's potential + his current game beats out Mitchell for me right now. Him being undersized isn't a huge issue with me but Mykhailiuk's size is a definite plus. Like I said earlier, Mitchell was a lot lower for me originally with his inconsistent start to the year but he has been rising up my board. If he keeps it up I'll likely move him past Svi.

The thing with the SG position in this draft is that it is really weak, Monk is probably the only SG that will go in the top 20 right now.

 

[Th3G3ntleman]

Outside of that white shooter and maybe Giles is there another lottery big in this draft? Not sure if I'd call Issac a big.

 

[str8up]

Outside of that white shooter and maybe Giles is there another lottery big in this draft? Not sure if I'd call Issac a big.

Robert Williams, Justin Patton and even Rabb potentially. I don't think Giles is a lottery pick right now.

The latter end of the lottery could be filled with big men, there's a depth of talent at the 4 and 5.

 

[okgoodnotgreat]

John Wall has freakish athleticism. Just stop it. nikkas pump up guys every year. But not every year has elite players coming out. I don't know why this is a difficult concept for people to realize. I had to listen to this same junk last year when it came to Brandon Ingram. I said he was garbage while everyone else tried to compare him to KD.

This Fultz kid is AIGHT. But he ain't special. Nobody in this years draft or next year is special.

The only SPECIAL players not in the NBA right now is Marvin Bagley (class of 2018) and RJ Barrett (class of 2019).

Luka Doncic

 

[Dr. Narcisse]

I think a lot of your brehs are sleeping on just how special Lonzo Ball is.....He may not wow you but his basketball IQ is super high....He is also a better athlete than he gets credit for. And while he may not get to the rim or shoot the mid-range shot much everything about him strikes me as efficient. He plays winning basketball isn't afraid to make the extra pass or hit the clutch shot....If your team fits into either of the following scenarios Lonzo Ball is the perfect fit 1.Ball Dominant SF or SG 2.Combo Guard at PG....

Loans would be a good fit on these teams:

Lakers- With him and D-snitch in the backcourt they can both pick and choose their spots.

Suns- Him next to Booker in the backcourt with TJ Warren and Criss in the front court is a good look.....He could play both guard spots coming off the bench behind Bledsoe...Allowing Bledsoe to concentrate on his strengths....He would make up for the weakness by being able to create looks for the other suns. Something they are very weak at.

Mavs- He could come in and start immediately at PG.

Nuggets- While they already have a combo guard in Murray and Mudiay having him would allow them to be more versatile and he is a better shot creator for others.

T-wolves- Would be one of the best fits for him. He could concentrate on getting the ball to the scorers on the T-wolves but also be a threat to stretch the floor....

Magic- As with the T-wolves he would be a threat to stretch the floor but he could also play in the backcourt at the 2 along with Payton...

76ers- This is to me "his" perfect fit...Splitting ball handling with Ben Simmons. If they add a Shooter at either SG or SF to go along with Simmons and Embiid this team will be offensively efficient.....

Kings- Another good fit...But I think the best fit for the Kings is a ball dominant PG like Dennis Smith...But if they lucked out and fell into Lonzo he could be the player to help turn them around...They need someone who is efficient and a team player but knows how to pick and choose when to assert themselves....Adding Lonzo to Cousins and an upgrade at the 2/3 (Maybe Dion Waiters) could go a long way.

my current random top 10 if the Draft/Lottery was today.

1.Celtics- Fultz (I really believe they will end up trading this pick)

2.Suns- Josh Jackson (Good potential 2 way player with a high motor)

3.Lakers- Lonzo Ball (Dudes a star he will play in the backcourt with D-Snitch)

4.Magic- Dennis Smith JR ( He is flat out better than Elfrid Payton right now and has star potential)

5.76ers- Johnathan Isaac (a front court of Embiid/Simmons/Isaac is a mathcup nightmare)

6.T-wolves- Jayson Tatum (Could play either 3/4 but will force Wiggins to the SG permanently...Lavine may be trade bait in offseason or 6th man)

7.Mavs-Frank Ntklinka ( a good spot for him. Not much expectation and a great head coach. They would likely bring him alone very slowly.

8.Knicks- Malik Monk (Dude will have perimeter scoring ability that will translate to the NBA. Don't be surprised if he becomes a big time 6th man.

9.Pelicans- Lauri Markannen (he is a 7ft player who can stretch the floor. would look good next to AD the times that he moves to Center)

10.Blazers- Robert Williams- An athletic pogo stick type. He is a backup player but can provide some weak side shot blocking for them going forward.

Sixers should take Monk over Isaac

Who do you think the Celtics would trade the #1 pick for (or get)?

Fultz/Thomas could work though

Although Ball/Thomas would be interesting

 

[Swagnificent]

Luka Doncic

Don't know who that is.

 

[Flight]

dude...i like your college analysis most of the time, but this list is pretty bad in alot of spots. svi is way too high as is mitchell, trier should be a bit lower at this stage, and rawle alkins doesn't belong on this list as a SG imo. allen, hart, and ferguson should all be higher as well, especially allen and ferguson.

Grayson could be a little bit higher but his ranking of him isn't absurd. Dude is just a straight line driver and shooter..and he can't finish against NBA athletes and struggles to guard them.

 

[NatiboyB]

Sixers should take Monk over Isaac

Who do you think the Celtics would trade the #1 pick for (or get)?

Fultz/Thomas could work though

Although Ball/Thomas would be interesting

The reason I say that the 76ers should pick Isaac is because he has a higher potential level. He has 2 way talent. And thats only at that draft pick. I would most def pick Monk if one of the top talents wasn't on the board.

Celtics- Honestly the perfect player for them would of been Giles if he had turned out good.....But I think Josh Jackson or Jayson Tatum would be the types they would look at. I don't really think Fultz and Thomas would work and the Celtics have too many guards but I'd rather jettison off marcus Smart and have Fultz be the 6th man.

 

[tremonthustler1]

Won't have much time to do this tomorrow so I'll post my lotto mock 1.0 right now (thankfully none of the lotto teams played tonight so the order stays the same)

1. Boston Celtics- Lonzo Ball, G, UCLA
2. Phoenix Suns- Josh Jackson, F, Kansas
3. Los Angeles Lakers- Markelle Fultz, G, Washington
4. Orlando Magic- Dennis Smith, G, NC State
5. Philadelphia 76ers- Malik Monk, G, Kentucky
6. Jonathan Isaac, F, Florida State
7. Dallas Mavericks- Frank Nitilikina, G, France
8. New York Knicks- De'Aaron Fox, G, Kentucky
9. New Orleans Hornets- Jayson Tatum, F, Duke
10. Portland Trail Blazers- Robert Williams, F, Texas A&M
11. Chicago Bulls- Ivan Rabb, F, California
12. Charlotte Hornets- Miles Bridges, F, Michigan State
13. Miami Heat- Lauri Markannen, F, Arizona
14. Milwaukee Bucks- Justin Patton, C, Creighton

ask away

 

[Flight]

Won't have much time to do this tomorrow so I'll post my lotto mock 1.0 right now (thankfully none of the lotto teams played tonight so the order stays the same)

1. Boston Celtics- Lonzo Ball, G, UCLA
2. Phoenix Suns- Josh Jackson, F, Kansas
3. Los Angeles Lakers- Markelle Fultz, G, Washington
4. Orlando Magic- Dennis Smith, G, NC State
5. Philadelphia 76ers- Malik Monk, G, Kentucky
6. Jonathan Isaac, F, Florida State
7. Dallas Mavericks- Frank Nitilikina, G, France
8. New York Knicks- De'Aaron Fox, G, Kentucky
9. New Orleans Hornets- Jayson Tatum, F, Duke
10. Portland Trail Blazers- Robert Williams, F, Texas A&M
11. Chicago Bulls- Ivan Rabb, F, California
12. Charlotte Hornets- Miles Bridges, F, Michigan State
13. Miami Heat- Lauri Markannen, F, Arizona
14. Milwaukee Bucks- Justin Patton, C, Creighton

ask away

You really think Fultz could drop to 3? The way people talk he's not falling past 2.

 

[tremonthustler1]

You really think Fultz could drop to 3? The way people talk he's not falling past 2.

Here's why Fultz can drop:

1. He's not going to the tourney. Simmons didn't either, but #1 was never in doubt. This year with Lonzo Ball, he can easily snatch all the attention from him.

2. Phoenix would have to move one of or both Bledsoe and Knight to enter the conversation.

3. Fultz's motor and attitude are more in question than Lonzo and Lonzo comes from a pedigreed program that runs a pro offense.

 

[Flight]

Here's why Fultz can drop:

1. He's not going to the tourney. Simmons didn't either, but #1 was never in doubt. This year with Lonzo Ball, he can easily snatch all the attention from him.

2. Phoenix would have to move one of or both Bledsoe and Knight to enter the conversation.

3. Fultz's motor and attitude are more in question than Lonzo and Lonzo comes from a pedigreed program that runs a pro offense.

My thing with that is it isn't his fault that his team sucks. They just aren't talented. I could see Lonzo jumping him but & Josh would be a shock to me.

You think LA tries to move any of their young guys? They're not lighting things on fire right now and Randle is due an extension soon.

 

[tremonthustler1]

My thing with that is it isn't his fault that his team sucks. They just aren't talented. I could see Lonzo jumping him but & Josh would be a shock to me.

You think LA tries to move any of their young guys? They're not lighting things on fire right now and Randle is due an extension soon.

I wouldn't blame Fultz necesarily, but Ball would have to wither under the pressure to give Fultz the edge.

Jackson's only above Fultz due to fit. I can't see Phoenix taking Ball and making it work when they've proven they're unable to do that with a bunch of PG's.

I don't see LA trading their youngins yet. I don't see them jumping to pay Randle so soon though.