2 white men shot Ahmaud Arbery in Brunswick, GA. UPDATE: GBI ARRESTS BOTH MEN & CAMERA MAN

[chkmeout]

Breh brehs, Im tellin y all its likely going to work in this case too. The video doesnt matter because as soon as Arbery tried to take the gun it turns legally into a different question for the jury ...

doesnt matter about who started it or the video of it or if they were right in pursuing Ahmsud in the first place. Its all about the moment of the scuffle and the fight for the gun. A reasonable Jury can say that McMichaels was in fear for his life when Arbery and him were fighting for his gun. Same way Zimmerman said that he was in fear for his life when Trayvon grabbed for his gun. Jury had to get him offbased on the stand ur ground law.

This time we actual see a fight for the gun unlike the Zimmerman case.The video clearly shows Arbery and McMichaels fighting for possesion of the gun.

Everyone is in agreement that It was a foolish pursuit of Arbery for the citizens arrest just like it was foolish gor Zimmerman to pursue Trayvon.

But the most serious charge of murder ... the mcmichaels self defense claim is likely to work based on the stand your ground law of Georgia.

Georgia has a similar stand your ground law to Floridas. There is no duty to retreat when u have reasonsble fear that u or someone else is about to die before using deadly force . Its as plain as that.

Thats the instructions the jury is going to get at trial when they deliberate period, they cant look at who started it.

Its very narrow in scope and the question with these type of cases is at the particular moment was the defendant in reasonable fear that he or she was going to die at that particular moment? The law as written really handcuffs the jury

It doesnt matter who started the fight. I would be saying that Arbery can claim self defense if he ended up killing McMichaels and surviving.

With those stand your ground laws, it does not matter who initiated it.

Zimmerman unjustly pursued Trayvon, They fought, Trayvon clearly was getting the best of Zimmerman and Zimmerman shot him because he was getting the shyt beat out of him and according to him Trayvon grabbed for his gun as well and he was in fear that he would die. The Jury acquited Zimmerman based on the stand your ground law and that fact pattern

Thsts what i see with this video too. McMichaels unjustly pursued Ahmaud, Ahmaud was fighting for the gun with McMichaels and McMichaels is gonna say that he was in fear that Ahmaud would grab his gun and kill him with it so he shot Ahmaud


Its a similar fact pattern!!! So brehs again dont be shocked when they are acquited based on the stand your ground law and a similar fact pattern


The stand your ground law is trash and it invites this bullshyt.

Like I said before, states with a no duty to retreat or stand your ground laws when faced with deadly force written into law have to be challenged on constitutional grounds as a violation equal protection under the 14th amendment for this nonsense to stop.

you god damn fukking moron, how do you get passed that

 

[gangreen]

Really ??? Getting a gun pointed at u and grabbing it validates the shooter?


Is there a law that says if you point a gun at someone and they grab it ..u can shoot?????


U understand the citizens arrest is only an attempt to drive narrative right??? Jury don't have to factor it in...u chased someone....and shot him...are you justified????

He was running away..how was he a treat??? The shooter brought the gun....

Ur logic is completely biased

The video shows a fight for the gun, that is enough forvthem to argue self defense.

The McMichaels defense is going to argue it and a judge has to allow it because it is an affirmative defense and the jury will likely get instructions on it when the trial concludes.

Again TRAYVON MARTIN DID NOT HAVE A GUN. THE JURY WAS GIVEN INSTRUCTIONS AT TRIAL TO ACQUIT ZIMMERMAN IF THEY FOUND THAT ZIMMERMAN WAS JUSTIFIED TO USE DEADLY FORCE BASED ON THE FACT PATTERN.

Its similar to this one.

Again its the stand your ground law that is the problem.

They will likely get acquited on it. Its not right but that is the likely outcome.

im not in disagreement that this is wrong btw but it is the reality

 

[gangreen]

you god damn fukking moron, how do you get passed that

U are a real idiot who clearly didnt read the rest of what i wrote. Zimmerman didnt unjustly pursue Trayvon? and wasnt he acquited on the stand your ground law.

Come on brehs, y all are not focusing on what the common denominator is in this other than the white devils that killed innocent black lives.

Its the fukkin law!!!!. It allows them to do this and get away with it.

 

[G-Zeus]

The McMichaels defense is going to argue it and a judge has to allow it because it is an affirmative defense and the jury will likely get instructions on it when the trial concludes.

Again TRAYVON MARTIN DID NOT HAVE A GUN. THE JURY WAS GIVEN INSTRUCTIONS AT TRIAL TO ACQUIT ZIMMERMAN IF THEY FOUND THAT ZIMMERMAN WAS JUSTIFIED TO USE DEADLY FORCE BASED ON THE FACT PATTERN.

Its similar to this one.

Again its the stand your ground law that is the problem.

They will likely get acquited on it. Its not right but that is the likely outcome.

im not in disagreement that this is wrong btw but it is the reality

With the Trayvon case u had Zimmerman side...and a bunch of people who heard....

With this case...u have a video...

If I don't see the difference. Can't help u

 

[The Up Right Man]

Does anyone know what brandishing is? Be a coli lawyer and not know law.

 

[G-Zeus]

you god damn fukking moron, how do you get passed that

He is doing acrobatic nonsense logic...

He is using Trayvon..not cases with video proof..say laquan McDonald
Dude is a nutcase

 

[gangreen]

Just how this is going with some of y all in here. Im done.

y all gonna be outraged when those devils get away with it again. Forget ...then rinse and repeat with these stand your ground laws and another innocent black life lost

 

[Fat Fred Jones]

Breh brehs, Im tellin y all its likely going to work in this case too. The video doesnt matter because as soon as Arbery tried to take the gun it turns legally into a different question for the jury ...

doesnt matter about who started it or the video of it or if they were right in pursuing Ahmsud in the first place. Its all about the moment of the scuffle and the fight for the gun. A reasonable Jury can say that McMichaels was in fear for his life when Arbery and him were fighting for his gun. Same way Zimmerman said that he was in fear for his life when Trayvon grabbed for his gun. Jury had to get him offbased on the stand ur ground law.

This time we actual see a fight for the gun unlike the Zimmerman case.The video clearly shows Arbery and McMichaels fighting for possesion of the gun.

Everyone is in agreement that It was a foolish pursuit of Arbery for the citizens arrest just like it was foolish gor Zimmerman to pursue Trayvon.

But the most serious charge of murder ... the mcmichaels self defense claim is likely to work based on the stand your ground law of Georgia.

Georgia has a similar stand your ground law to Floridas. There is no duty to retreat when u have reasonsble fear that u or someone else is about to die before using deadly force . Its as plain as that.

Thats the instructions the jury is going to get at trial when they deliberate period, they cant look at who started it.

Its very narrow in scope and the question with these type of cases is at the particular moment was the defendant in reasonable fear that he or she was going to die at that particular moment? The law as written really handcuffs the jury

It doesnt matter who started the fight. I would be saying that Arbery can claim self defense if he ended up killing McMichaels and surviving.

With those stand your ground laws, it does not matter who initiated it.

Zimmerman unjustly pursued Trayvon, They fought, Trayvon clearly was getting the best of Zimmerman and Zimmerman shot him because he was getting the shyt beat out of him and according to him Trayvon grabbed for his gun as well and he was in fear that he would die. The Jury acquited Zimmerman based on the stand your ground law and that fact pattern

Thsts what i see with this video too. McMichaels unjustly pursued Ahmaud, Ahmaud was fighting for the gun with McMichaels and McMichaels is gonna say that he was in fear that Ahmaud would grab his gun and kill him with it so he shot Ahmaud


Its a similar fact pattern!!! So brehs again dont be shocked when they are acquited based on the stand your ground law and a similar fact pattern


The stand your ground law is trash and it invites this bullshyt.

Like I said before, states with a no duty to retreat or stand your ground laws when faced with deadly force written into law have to be challenged on constitutional grounds as a violation equal protection under the 14th amendment for this nonsense to stop.

I keep seeing many people all across the internet claiming that the McMichaels were the self defenders because Arbery reached for the gun. It seems everyone is ignoring the events that lead up to Arbery reaching for the gun. Arbery was being pursued by three men in two trucks who had already blocked his path once, causing Arbery to reverse course. This final encounter was actually the second time he ran into them. He had every right to be very afraid of these men with guns. It's not a stretch to believe that he felt his best course of action was to engage rather than continue to try and flee. The McMichaels don't get to chase and put themselves in danger, only to claim self defense. They completely provoked this encounter; and that's a very key element when claiming self-defense. Arbery is the person who's afforded the stand-your-ground claim.

The Trayvon Martin case in Florida, decided by 12 citizens who were interpreting the law just as you and I has no bearing on this Georgia case. Most of the professional opinions I've seen so far online seem to outline exactly why this is indeed Felony Murder by Georgia law and standards. Felony Murder just means that the victim died during the course of a felony. That felony in this case is Aggravated Assault. Here's a good explanation.

 

[blockburna420]

Why they keep parading this witness around if they don't want him to answer questions

 

[Adeptus Astartes]

I know what you're trying to say, but look at the charges. Aggravated assault and FELONY murder. The McMichals' committed aggravated assault by exiting the truck and menacing Arbery with the shotgun because they weren't legally doing a citizen's arrest. That is a key fact. If Arbery had reached in the truck, or run directly at Travis, they would have a slam dunk, but the video shows Arbery running AWAY from Travis before Trivis moves to intercept Arbery in front of the truck. However, crucial video frames are missing of the 1st shotgun blast.

From what I can see, and from my admittedly limited legal knowledge, at that point any self defense goes out the window. Arbery is defending himself from that point on. The Zimmerman case did not have Zimmerman committing a crime before the engagement. Following Trayvon was not illegal, and as far as we know, he did not draw his weapon until the fight broke out. When someone is killed while someone is committing a felony, they get charged with felony murder.

There may be other legal BS that I'm missing, but from what I have read, these guys will go down. They may even get federal civil rights or hate crime charges, but I'm not betting on it.

Breh brehs, Im tellin y all its likely going to work in this case too. The video doesnt matter because as soon as Arbery tried to take the gun it turns legally into a different question for the jury ...

doesnt matter about who started it or the video of it or if they were right in pursuing Ahmsud in the first place. Its all about the moment of the scuffle and the fight for the gun. A reasonable Jury can say that McMichaels was in fear for his life when Arbery and him were fighting for his gun. Same way Zimmerman said that he was in fear for his life when Trayvon grabbed for his gun. Jury had to get him offbased on the stand ur ground law.

This time we actual see a fight for the gun unlike the Zimmerman case.The video clearly shows Arbery and McMichaels fighting for possesion of the gun.

Everyone is in agreement that It was a foolish pursuit of Arbery for the citizens arrest just like it was foolish gor Zimmerman to pursue Trayvon.

But the most serious charge of murder ... the mcmichaels self defense claim is likely to work based on the stand your ground law of Georgia.

Georgia has a similar stand your ground law to Floridas. There is no duty to retreat when u have reasonsble fear that u or someone else is about to die before using deadly force . Its as plain as that.

Thats the instructions the jury is going to get at trial when they deliberate period, they cant look at who started it.

Its very narrow in scope and the question with these type of cases is at the particular moment was the defendant in reasonable fear that he or she was going to die at that particular moment? The law as written really handcuffs the jury

It doesnt matter who started the fight. I would be saying that Arbery can claim self defense if he ended up killing McMichaels and surviving.

With those stand your ground laws, it does not matter who initiated it.

Zimmerman unjustly pursued Trayvon, They fought, Trayvon clearly was getting the best of Zimmerman and Zimmerman shot him because he was getting the shyt beat out of him and according to him Trayvon grabbed for his gun as well and he was in fear that he would die. The Jury acquited Zimmerman based on the stand your ground law and that fact pattern

Thsts what i see with this video too. McMichaels unjustly pursued Ahmaud, Ahmaud was fighting for the gun with McMichaels and McMichaels is gonna say that he was in fear that Ahmaud would grab his gun and kill him with it so he shot Ahmaud


Its a similar fact pattern!!! So brehs again dont be shocked when they are acquited based on the stand your ground law and a similar fact pattern


The stand your ground law is trash and it invites this bullshyt.

Like I said before, states with a no duty to retreat or stand your ground laws when faced with deadly force written into law have to be challenged on constitutional grounds as a violation equal protection under the 14th amendment for this nonsense to stop.

 

[Kaypain]

This is Travon Martn and Mike Brown all over again so I'm out



Hit me up when these cacs get off

 

[Counter Racist Male]

Damn I thought this was clear cut. I didn’t know it’s way more layers to this. I know I should stayed away from this shyt smh

I smelled it from the beginning. The fix is in. The suspected racist here are the main cultprits and guilty as sin either way.​

 

[gangreen]

I keep seeing many people all across the internet claiming that the McMichaels were the self defenders because Arbery reached for the gun. It seems everyone is ignoring the events that lead up to Arbery reaching for the gun. Arbery was being pursued by three men in two trucks who had already blocked his path once, causing Arbery to reverse course. This final encounter was actually the second time he ran into them. He had every right to be very afraid of these men with guns. It's not a stretch to believe that he felt his best course of action was to engage rather than continue to try and flee. The McMichaels don't get to put chase and put themselves in danger, only to claim self defense. They completely provoked this encounter; and that's a very key element when claiming self-defense. Arbery is the person who's afforded the stand-your-ground claim.

The Trayvon Martin case in Florida, decided by 12 citizens who are interpreting the law just as you and I has no bearing on this Georgia case. Most of the professional opinions I've seen so far online seem to outline exactly why this is indeed Felony Murder by Georgia law and standards. Felony Murder just means that the victem died during the course of a felony. That felony in this case is Aggravated Assault. Here's a good explanation.

Im not advocating for the McMichaels but self defense is a tricky thing especially in states when someone has no duty to retreat before using deadly force on another person

It does have bearing because Georgia and Florida have the same stand your ground or no duty to retreat law and this case will likely be decided by 12 citizens who are given jury instructions about what is legally permissable use of deadly force via the stand your ground law.

You guys are arguing the merits of this specific case but u are failing to see how these controversial laws of stand your ground law and citizens arrest laws victimize minorities two fold. It allows them to pursue u not as law enforcement and it gives them a legal defense for when things are going bad for them when u fight back and they end up killing us.

Y all logic makes sense to me but with the stand your ground law, it doesnt matter who stopped who, who was brandishing, who initiated it beforehand..... in states with a duty to retreat before using deadly force, stuff like that is critical but Stand your ground states, that stuff doesnt matter.

Stand your ground is very narrow and just focuses on that particular moment when there was a struggle and two people fiighting for their lives. Its archaic.

Unfortunately. There are too many cases like this when there doesnt have to be. I hope im wrong but I highly suspect that i am not.

I understand what u guys are saying but some people are keeping their eyes closed at the legal system and then they become enraged at the injustice when it occurs.

You have two controversial laws interceding in this one and im just saying when the defendant is white and you give em a legal avenue to avoid justice over an egregious mistake, they are likely going to get acquited. Its just the reality we all too often have witnessed. Its that law that is broken because it allows bias by non law enforcement to lead to deadly encounters with black and brown people.

This was an interesting read

What the 'Modern-Day Lynching' of Ahmaud Arbery Says About Stand Your Ground Laws

 

[gangreen]

I know what you're trying to say, but look at the charges. Aggravated assault and FELONY murder. The McMichals' committed aggravated assault by exiting the truck and menacing Arbery with the shotgun because they weren't legally doing a citizen's arrest. That is a key fact. If Arbery had reached in the truck, or run directly at Travis, they would have a slam dunk, but the video shows Arbery running AWAY from Travis before Trivis moves to intercept Arbery in front of the truck. However, crucial video frames are missing of the 1st shotgun blast.

From what I can see, and from my admittedly limited legal knowledge, at that point any self defense goes out the window. Arbery is defending himself from that point on. The Zimmerman case did not have Zimmerman committing a crime before the engagement. Following Trayvon was not illegal, and as far as we know, he did not draw his weapon until the fight broke out. When someone is killed while someone is committing a felony, they get charged with felony murder.

There may be other legal BS that I'm missing, but from what I have read, these guys will go down. They may even get federal civil rights or hate crime charges, but I'm not betting on it.

I get what u are saying

Thats what logic tells you but the criminal standard, the burden is on the prosecution to prove guilt beyond reasonable doubt. Im afraid this case is not open and shut based on the laws on the book in Georgia.

And I gotta add and history tells us that this standard works very well for defendants in high profile cases like this one.

Georgia’s citizen’s arrest states: “A private person may arrest an offender if the offense is committed in his presence or within his immediate knowledge. If the offense is a felony and the offender is escaping or attempting to escape, a private person may arrest him upon reasonable and probable grounds of suspicion.”

The operative word is reasonable and probable. Its not correct or incorrect but reasonable grounds of suspicion. If it hinges on that, then felony murder could be thrown out if a jury finds the McMichaels pursuit reasonable under that stupid citizens arrest law.

Self defense is already a complicated thing in the legal ream especially where there is no duty to retreat by the clear aggressor. Like I said this is an interaction of two controversial and complicated laws and is not a slam dunk for a conviction in a criminal trial.

 

[Adeptus Astartes]

I guess we'll see what happens. I think the whole thing rests on wether or not Arbery committed a felony. From what I can see, he did not, and that makes the McMichals' guilty of felony murder. Who knows what fukkery the "justice" system tries to pull, though. I'm choosing to be optimistic.

Don't shyt on my optimism, breh!

I get what u are saying

Thats what logic tells you but the criminal standard, the burden is on the prosecution to prove guilt beyond reasonable doubt. Im afraid this case is not open and shut based on the laws on the book in Georgia.

And I gotta add and history tells us that this standard works very well for defendants in high profile cases like this one.

Georgia’s citizen’s arrest states: “A private person may arrest an offender if the offense is committed in his presence or within his immediate knowledge. If the offense is a felony and the offender is escaping or attempting to escape, a private person may arrest him upon reasonable and probable grounds of suspicion.”

The operative word is reasonable and probable. Its not correct or incorrect but reasonable grounds of suspicion. If it hinges on that, then felony murder could be thrown out if a jury finds the McMichaels pursuit reasonable under that stupid citizens arrest law.

Self defense is already a complicated thing in the legal ream especially where there is no duty to retreat by the clear aggressor. Like I said this is an interaction of two controversial and complicated laws and is not a slam dunk for a conviction in a criminal trial.