2/22 FOX/ESPN PPV | Wilder vs Fury II

[malbaker86]

Losing an aura is nothing new. It happens to a lot of fighters, especially ones that were previously unbeaten or knockout artists.

That's al im saying and that's fine...im hoping that when certain fighters are finally beaten or the steam around them slows down (for whatever reason), that THE fights start getting made. 147 too talented to be as stagnant as it is but the PBC fights we wat have slowly happened....SLOWLY. 154 cats are alwayd down to scrap so to that division. 168 mafukkas need to get this shyt on but they seem to be waiting until one oof the big dogs get picked off by Nelo BEFORE they face each other

 

[The Ruler 09]

That's al im saying and that's fine...im hoping that when certain fighters are finally beaten or the steam around them slows down (for whatever reason), that THE fights start getting made. 147 too talented to be as stagnant as it is but the PBC fights we wat have slowly happened....SLOWLY. 154 cats are alwayd down to scrap so to that division. 168 mafukkas need to get this shyt on but they seem to be waiting until one oof the big dogs get picked off by Nelo BEFORE they face each other

Yeah I personally think everyone should fight, I don't think a loss should matter, Wilder, Fury, AJ, Whyte, Usyk, Ruiz and a bunch of others are all good fighters, would like to see them all fight. If that happens we could just have an exciting generation and era. Think people too preoccupied with 0's, losses don't really matter unless you're not very good at all, if you're good and at a good level wanna see all the fights. Yeah in all divisions, that's what I really respect, fighters who win, lose or draw will get it and take some risks, even if they lose at least they had the courage to challenge themselves, that's how we can then at the end assess everybody's place in history. Someone like Ali is held in such a high regard cause he fought so many great names, that's what makes a fighter and an era truly memorable. As you said hopefully when the 0's go from everyone they just be like fukk it and get in there as nothing to protect in that sense. Hope Fury doesn't retire too quick, would like to see the different styles clash.

 

[Krazy]

Looks like Mid July for the 3rd fight...

They ain’t open for shyt, they’re gonna dance around the AJ fight as they have been doing.

Fury and AJ has the biggest chance of happening, even if Wilder was to win...Which he won’t.

He should just take the cheque and skip the trilogy for this year.
Just give me that AJ V Fury.

 

[The Ruler 09]

They ain’t open for shyt, they’re gonna dance around the AJ fight as they have been doing.

Fury and AJ has the biggest chance of happening, even if Wilder was to win...Which he won’t.

He should just take the cheque and skip the trilogy for this year.
Just give me that AJ V Fury.

Fury vs AJ has a chance of happening I believe, even this year but only if AJ and Fury win next. I still think if Fury loses the fight will eventually happen, there's too much money there to ignore and they've both shown a willingness to fight high level opponents previously. Wilder vs AJ I just don't know, cause Wilder's already rejected such a big deal and so many deals, he don't want that fight. If Wilder wins I'm still not convinced it would happen, they could cash out and take the risk now he's lost so it could happen, but also a chance they try hold onto the belt for a bit longer and fight someone they may feel is easier, like take the Whyte mandatory first, then maybe a voluntary and then the AJ fight, to milk more money out of him. Not sure, but for the sake of boxing and sorting out the division the best outcome would probably be a Fury win.

What happens if Wilder wins? Are they gonna fight a 4th time? As crazy as it sounds they actually could, so it could be the same people fighting over and over again, they should switch it up, let AJ vs Fury fight then Wilder can fight the winner at some point down the line, but I don't think egos and teams will let that happen, but the fans right now want AJ vs Fury not Fury vs Wilder 3, I'm not even opposed to that happening but think it would be better later, Wilder could have shown something in subsequent fights that make people believe again. Even if he wins the 3rd fight which is possible, until it happens not many are gonna believe it, he's a big underdog now...

 

[Krazy]

Fury vs AJ has a chance of happening I believe, even this year but only if AJ and Fury win next. I still think if Fury loses the fight will eventually happen, there's too much money there to ignore and they've both shown a willing to fight high level opponents previously. Wilder vs AJ I just don't know, cause Wilder's already rejected such a big deal and so many deals, he don't want that fight. If Wilder wins I'm still not convinced it would happen, they could cash out and take the risk now he's lost so it could happen, but also a chance they try hold onto the belt for a bit longer and fight someone they may feel is easier, like take the Whyte mandatory first, then maybe a voluntary and then the AJ fight, to milk more money out of him. Not sure, but for the sake of boxing and sorting out the division the best outcome would probably be a Fury win.

What happens if Wilder wins? Are they gonna fight a 4th time? As crazy as it sounds they actually could, so it could be the same people fighting over and over again, they should switch it up, let AJ vs Fury fight then Wilder can fight the winner at some point down the line, but I don't think egos and teams will let that happen, but the fans right now want AJ vs Fury not Fury vs Wilder 3, I'm not even opposed to that happening but think it would be better later, Wilder could have shown something in subsequent fights that make people believe again. Even if he wins the 3rd fight which is possible, until it happens not many are gonna believe it, he's a big underdog now...

I mistook Bob Arum for Wilders team.
Yeah I can definitely see AJ v Fury, but Wilder v AJ nah...Like you said his teams already rejected huge offers, they ain’t serious...They just wanted to tarnish AJs image by saying he was ducking.

 

[malbaker86]

Yeah I personally think everyone should fight, I don't think a loss should matter, Wilder, Fury, AJ, Whyte, Usyk, Ruiz and a bunch of others are all good fighters, would like to see them all fight. If that happens we could just have an exciting generation and era. Think people too preoccupied with 0's, losses don't really matter unless you're not very good at all, if you're good and at a good level wanna see all the fights. Yeah in all divisions, that's what I really respect, fighters who win, lose or draw will get it and take some risks, even if they lose at least they had the courage to challenge themselves, that's how we can then at the end asses everybody's place in history. Someone like Ali is held in such a high regard cause he fought so many great names, that's what makes a fighter and an era truly memorable. As you said hopefully when the 0's go from everyone they just be like fukk it and get in there as nothing to protect in that sense. Hope Fury doesn't retire too quick, would like to see the different styles clash.

People don't realize thag the top 3 cash cows in boxing Loma, Nelo, AJ all have a loss but all of them are eager to take on whoever whenever and to a degree WHEREVER. Nobody holds the Salido or Floyd loss against Loma and Nelo cause they got right byke to it and the same will and is happening with AJ. 130 and 135 can HEAT up if they stopped being twitter fingers

 

[The Ruler 09]

People don't realize thag the top 3 cash cows in boxing Loma, Nelo, AJ all have a loss but all of them are eager to take on whoever whenever and to a degree WHEREVER. Nobody holds the Salido or Floyd loss against Loma and Nelo cause they got right byke to it and the same will and is happening with AJ. 130 and 135 can HEAT up if they stopped being twitter fingers

That's a really good point, nobody cares at all because they are willing to fight anybody and go back in at a high level, you can't really argue with success and being a champion, Loma went hardbody straight away as a pro lol, titles. The loss don't matter cause he proved himself. Canelo lost to Floyd who was a generational talent and 1 of the all time greats but he's fought high level and big names and created his own history, and AJ did it with his resume and winning the belts back from the man who beat him and creating his own history. Nobody is invincible if they keep going at top level long enough. I wish people could just see it like that and stop the bullshyt, stop padding records, I'm cool with learning fights but at a certain point got to start stepping up and fighting live opposition, the resume is only as valuable as who's on it.

 

[malbaker86]

That's a really good point, nobody cares at all because they are willing to fight anybody and go back in at a high level, you can't really argue with success and being a champion, Loma went hardbody straight away as a pro lol, titles. The loss don't matter cause he proved himself. Canelo lost to Floyd who was a generational talent and 1 of the all time greats but he's fought high level and big names and created his own history, and AJ did it with his resume and winning the belts back from the man who beat him and creating his own history. Nobody is invincible if they keep going at top level long enough. I wish people could just see it like that and stop the bullshyt, stop padding record, I'm cool with learning fights but at a certain point got to start stepping up and fighting live opposition, the resume is only as valuable as who's on it.

exactly. With Wilder and examining his resume, im not gonna fault his first 30 cause ive said it before, everybody's path in boxing is DIFFERENT. I do feel tho, after the first Stiverne fight, after it was OBVIOUS PBC didn't have a good crop of HW's at the time (and still dont), he should have tried his hand at a Chisora or someone in or from the UK to slowly build a profile over there.

He did get snake bitten tho because i DO feel him and Fury woulda happened in 2016 had the suspension of Fury hadn't happened and Povetin poppin dirty before their fight in Russia made him have to make the Stiverne rematch on kinda shorter notice. They also drop the ball and leverage in allowing #MillionaireMartin to price the belt out to AJ instead of them outbiding Martin for it. Same with fighting Parker. They shoulda make that fight after he beat Washington and rhe public was looking forward to them two

He HAS to get that belt back for his sake

 

[The Ruler 09]

exactly. With Wilder and examining his resume, im not gonna fault his first 30 cause ive said it before, everybody's path in boxing is DIFFERENT. I do feel tho, after the first Stiverne fight, after it was OBVIOUS PBC didn't have a good crop of HW's at the time (and still dont), he should have tried his hand at a Chisora or someone in or from the UK to slowly build a profile over there.

He did get snake bitten tho because i DO feel him and Fury woulda happened in 2016 had the suspension of Fury hadn't happened and Povetin poppin dirty before their fight in Russia made him have to make the Stiverne rematch on kinda shorter notice. They also drop the ball and leverage in allowing #MillionaireMartin to price the belt out to AJ instead of them outbiding Martin for it. Same with fighting Parker. They shoulda make that fight after he beat Washington and rhe public was looking forward to them two

He HAS to get that belt back for his sake

Yeah, even if he was fighting poor opposition prior, after the first Stiverne fight where he won the title surely after that you should step up.

But his next 6 fights were against fighters he was WAY better than. He was in another league to all those fighters and it was only going to end 1 way. What would have been a really cool fight is if he won the title from Stiverne then fought Ortiz straight after that or something, then kept stepping it up.

I have no idea why as a champion he was fighting someone like Szpilka, who’d already lost to Jennings at that point, at least fight Jennings lol.

Yeah he could have fought, Chisora, Whyte, Haye, even Bellew when he was heavyweight. A fight vs Haye would have really built his profile cause he was well known all over. Even Hughie Fury would have been a nice win for him because they could have used that as part of the Tyson Fury build up.

Yeah, the belt is really important for him, if he can get it back he can go on another run, he’ll makes lot of money because the AJ undisputed fight is big again and he’d of avenged the loss. If he gets beaten again I’m not sure where he goes, he’ll be on the outside looking in in terms of titles for a while, I guess if they did a Ruiz fight that would be an opportunity to rise up again.

No matter what happens I don’t think his career needs to be over, there’s no shame in losing to Fury. He just has to accept it and come back, if he can deal with it mentally he can still be a very entertaining player in the division, he shouldn’t let it crush him, but use it as chance to learn and grow.

Just money wise he’ll lose a lot of money if he don’t get the belts back, if he does it’s back on and he can make a lot of money. If he does they should just make the AJ fight asap, cause someone could lose again and could lose that massive pay day and could never happen. If he loses there’s a good chance it never happens cause there will be mandatories and other plans etc.

 

[patscorpio]

I have no idea why as a champion he was fighting someone like Szpilka, who’d already lost to Jennings at that point, at least fight Jennings lol.

that old thread that @malbaker86 upped from 2013 when we talked about wilder..i specifically mentioned he should fight BY.,..but cats were like "clear out the Euros first"..and look at what happened wilder got his zero took by a Euro lol

 

[The Ruler 09]

that old thread that @malbaker86 upped from 2013 when we talked about wilder..i specifically mentioned he should fight BY.,..but cats were like "clear out the Euros first"..and look at what happened wilder got his zero took by a Euro lol

Which thread was it?

 

[patscorpio]

Which thread was it?

https://www.thecoli.com/threads/what-is-the-consensus-on-u-s-heavyweight-deontay-wilder.137307/

 

[The Ruler 09]

 

[patscorpio]

funny thing is wilder has more knowledge of self then most of the cats on here who stan/dikkride him

 

[The Ruler 09]