Wilder vs Fury 3 is tentative for Juy 18th..
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2/22 FOX/ESPN PPV | Wilder vs Fury II
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Wake up, c00ns. Wake the fukk up.
Joshua is shorter than Fury and Wilder, with a shorter reach than both as well.
Joshua for Ruiz 2 came in at 237. 7lbs heavier than Wilder did for the Fury rematch.
In a match against Joshua, I don't see Wilder expending as much energy or taking as much punishment on the inside as he did versus Fury. I would love to see Joshua nullify that right though, because it'll take an incredible performance to do so.
Looks like he's already excercised the rematch. They're thinking middle of July. At least that's what I read last night.
Joshua showed good stamina against Ruiz but Andy mailed it in and seemed off and lazier. We'll see if Joshua continues to box like this against Pulev.
that’s pretty “quick”
guess wilder is just going for the bag @ this point and doesn’t give a fukk
I don’t see him coming in the ring a significantly different fighter enough to beat tyson...I’m still probably fall for the okey doke and watch it tho smh
reservoirdogs
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In general AJ weighs more than Wilder and he is a phyisically strong guy, he'd rough Wilder up on the inside. Better combinations in the pocket, better short range punches (hooks, uppercuts), and physically stronger. Wilder does NOT want to fight Joshua inside his safe distance.
The heigh and reach difference is minimal between them espeically with HW standards, it's not like Joshua couldn't walk him down cause he has one inch shorter reach and height... That doesn't mean shyt at HW and rarely means anything in other divisions. Joshua is the better counter puncher as well.
A typical banan skin for AJ is that he gets overeager and gets caught by something in the pocket but since Wilder's short range punches are basically non-existent he wouldn't have the same problem against him. I feel like Joshua likes to fight tall dudes more than short nes anyway
Lol..all these wild hypotheticals because Fury worked a great game plan...
Alright Res, you got it. Height reach and weight doesn't mean shyt at heavyweight or in other divisions.
Joshua loves to fight taller fighters, even though Klitschko almost stopped him -- and Joshua didn't get caught in the pocket there either.
Obviously Joshua doesn't have any holes that gives Wilder even a fraction of a chance to win. It's a boring fight they might as well never fight.
Bigblackted4
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Show the fight we’re AJ roughed somebody up on the inside because against Ruiz, Parker and Whyte he got roughed up on the inside and one those from mid and long range
reservoirdogs
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@Bigblackted4 tooAlright Res, you got it. Height reach and weight doesn't mean shyt at heavyweight or in other divisions.
Joshua loves to fight taller fighters, even though Klitschko almost stopped him -- and Joshua didn't get caught in the pocket there either.
Obviously Joshua doesn't have any holes that gives Wilder even a fraction of a chance to win. It's a boring fight they might as well never fight.
I didn't say Wilder stands no chance, he always has a punchers chance but I've always been saying AJ stops him and since Fury vs Wilder 2 I'm even more convinced in it. Hell, it seems even me who was never big on Wilder overrated him a bit.
Didn't say reach and height doesn't matter in boxing either but you can't seriously tell me one inch is a real advantage for Wilder who got touched up by way shorter men than AJ.
Just cause Klitscko knocked Joshua down doesn’t mean Joshua didn’t look good in the fight and that was Klitscko who I’d pick over any version of Wilder. Joshua looked more instable and shaky fighting stocky guys to me than when he fought guys the size of Wlad or Breazeale. That until his last fight when he finally understood he doesn’t have to play Rambo in the pocket with shorter guys.
That’s another reason I’m picking Joshua, I see him still improving, I don’t see the same in Wilder, he is who he is.
In a nutshell I pick Joshua because I think Joshua is just the better, fresher, still improving boxer who has the size, the power and the style do get Wilder outta there.
Then again you are free to disagree, Wilder has a punchers chance but less than against anybody he has faced besides Fury.
What I'm saying is that just because Fury made it look easy, it's not actually some straightforward blueprint these other heavyweights can exploit. Fury is a true anomaly -- a 6'9", 273lbs fighter with his agility plus boxing IQ is absurd, and it all certainly played a factor in his win over Wilder.
Anyways, while everyone was rightfully concerned about the damage Wilder was taking, what truly decided the fight was that Wilder was not given the chance to regain his breath by Fury. He had no energy to throw a meaningful punch, essentially rendering Deontay helpless, because he doesn't have the skills to do anything else in the ring. Fury's offense was denting the Bronze Bomber, but I think his sheer physicality was the difference that enabled Fury to disarm Wilder so thoroughly.
Am I wrong for believing this? I simply don't think Wilder gets TKO'd if he wasn't completely exhausted. I also don't think many other heavyweights are going to have Deontay in headlocks while they languish 273lbs on his back.
On Joshua,
Wilder has a good chin and heart. If Joshua is to stop him, it'll be from a shot he doesn't see coming; whereas Fury had to accumulate his blows to stop Wilder, I see Joshua using his IQ to set up a KO shot, akin to the uppercuts he gave to Klitschko or against Ruiz in their first fight. Joshua beating Wilder is going to look a lot different than Fury beating Wilder.
Does Joshua keep the weight off and give up his strength and size advantage to box Wilder from the outside? Can he stay lean and still prove to not only be formidable but devastating in close quarters? Enough to tire Wilder out, enough to hurt him?
Or does he add weight and raise questions about his endurance all over again? We have seen Deontay gather his second wind and knock a fighter out before, Joshua cannot afford to grow fatigued against Wilder.
I would be shocked if Joshua simply bulldozes Wilder. Shocked.
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reservoirdogs
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Fair enough assessment, I think our different views root in how we rate Wilder's chin. I think he has good recuperation power or how you call that... he regenerates pretty quick but as for his chin I don't think it's that good, he's been hurt by multiple guys before, guys like Molina or Duhaupas and of course Fury.
You are right that Joshua bring a more straight forward offense than Fury on the other hand he brings more power too and more combinations in the pocket. He probably wouldn't lean on him like Fury did but try to pepper him with combos.
I don't think it was only Fury's physicality that made Wilder gas out, I think it was in large part simply that he had to back off and as he can't defend himself properly he got panicky under pressure and it fukked up his whole stamina. He has heart and determination but his body breaks down before his will.
Joshua said he wouldn't fight Wilder like he did Ruiz in the rematch cause that's an invitation to get knocked out at some point of the fight but he would bring the fight to him. And I tend to believe that especially after it got confirmed that Wilder's kryptonite is when someone pressures him cause he doesn't really have an offfensive or defensive reprtoir if he's not at his preferred distance. Against shorter dudes he got aways with this repeatedly because the opponents' level and/or because if you are a lot taller than your opponent you could still just lean all the way back on the ropes and clinch, I think Joshua's dimensions are bigger, he's a big guy himself who's barely shorter than Wilder so I don't think that would work on him.
I don't think Joshua gets him out there in the first half because Wilder is a scrub but because the styles, I think whoever makes the fight his kind of fight will win in 6 rounds or so, let that be AJ or Wilder.
