1990s NBA teams vs Current teams.

[OG Talk]

No, the Suns couldn't play defense and aren't really that similar to current teams because of one glaring reason, they couldn't defend the paint because of the fact Amare was playing the 5. Look at all the teams now, big defensive centers that allow their teams to press on the perimeter while they can defend the paint. The Suns went too far with it, they put an offensive PF at center and basically gave up any hope of defending the interior.


This is why the next great post player will be such a big come up Because he's going to embody the same defense as those guys, but with the ability to generate offense.

I agree...Atleast you haven't totally gone 1990 Loyola Marymount on me



I read the words defense and post player....Now my old school sensibilities have been calmed and I can stop hyper ventilating

 

[Malta]

Both are injury plagued (steph seemed to have beaten his), KJ is more athletic, steph is a better shooter and defenses would have to key in on him (steph) more. KJ was a second option to barkley while steph is the man and is the MVP. Gotta go with steph honestly.

KJ wasn't the #1 option long enough to have a hard stance on him

Curry is better by miles.

I agree...Atleast you haven't totally gone 1990 Loyola Marymount on me



I read the words defense and post player....Now my old school sensibilities have been calmed and I can stop hyper ventilating

Fam, I said earlier that all these 3's are eventually going to lead to another generational two way big man hitting the league, building around a center in a league where the 3's are flying will be easy as hell to do and will mean he's almost always going 1 on 1 with his defender on the block

 

[Damnshow]

Hi I'm 15 years old and I wish I was born in 80s because I hate my life and everything from the past seems to look cool cause I never witnessed it. 90s better because they played physical basketball, lots of fights and I dont know anything else about basketball but today ppl flop cause they suck ok? Thumbs up if your reading in 2015

 

[Jplaya2023]

Curry is better by miles.

come on fam by miles?

 

[Rakim Allah]

The premise of this thread is dumb as hell. The existence of hand checking and how NBA has made it such an emphasis to allow freedom of movement off the ball alone has helped open up the three point game. Not to mention allowing zone defense or the quasi zone defense so many teams use now. In the 90s you were forced rule wise to either do a hard double or be attached to your man which gave post players and players with one on one ability either more room to work or completely left someone wide open. It's not like there weren't players back then who could stroke it. It was just frowned upon a lot more to take a lot of three point shots, they were looked at almost as a last resort or unless you are wide open. So to use the difference in three point shooting to demonstrate the current era teams somehow being better is ridiculous. In reality I think it would just reconfigure who would've been shining. Just to use the old Knicks players like Derek Harper, Charlie Ward, Starks would have a rough time even getting clock in today's era. But at the same time I don't see a player like Harden killing like he is if a player is allowed to be up in your chest and controlling you with his hands.

I think players like Dale Ellis, Mike Adams, Chris Jackson (Adbul-Rauf), Mark Price in today's era with free reign to shoot at any opening.

Mahmoud would be on his 5th straight scoring title if he was in the league today.

 

[mastermind]

This thread is funny.

The problem with the quality of the NBA today as proven with how sophmoric these playoffs have been is the fact that there's not true team cohesion. There's a lack of hunger. Players are more individualists than teammates focusing on their contracts than their game. There's nobody out there pushing them to the extreme to give it their all. Too much talent, but too much of a quitter mentality. Too many assuming their talents will get them by. Today, teams are 3-pointer happy and there's nothing wrong with having that dude or several players who can shoot that tre when needed.... but don't that is all that it takes, nor ASSUME that the 90's players lacked in players that can shoot that tre at any time. You have pure shooters like Reggie Miller, Danny Ainge, Chris Mullin, Dan Marerle.... shyt, Craig Hodges was the greatest 3-point shooter that ever done it! So that's a null void. It's about team chemistry, hunger, discipline, identity and some damn good coaching... these are things that are LACKING in today's NBA.

you sound like Mr. Wilson

 

[mastermind]

come on fam by miles?

is this not the GOAT era for point guards?

Didnt Curry just win the MVP?

He better than KJ, by miles.

 

[Malta]

come on fam by miles?

Yes, MILES.

Mahmoud would be on his 5 straight scoring title if he was in the league today.

Career 35% shooter from 3, does he just magically become a more efficient shooter

Also of hilarious note, his three best years from 3 were with the short 3 point line.........and he still couldn't shoot a higher percentage from 3 than the Chef, but 5 straight scoring titles today with the longer 3 line....just cause.


The 90s yall.

 

[Swagnificent]

Lets get even deeper

League wide:
1990-91 - 32% from 3 league average 2.2 threes per game
1991-92 - 33% from 3 league average 2.5 threes per game
1992-93 - 34% from 3 league average 3 threes per game
1993-94 - 33% from 3 league average 3.2 threes per game

1994-1997 the line was moved in because these muthafukkas couldn't shoot, I don't want to hear shyt about how players are unskilled today you know why?


2014-15 - 35% from 3 league average 7.8 threes per game


They make more at a higher percentage, but the NBA lacks skill today

fukk outta here with this crap. the most fun i had watching the nba was from 2000-2004. the height of the hand-check era. the isolation and post game of the early 00s was more fun to watch than this new bullshyt nba with 3s being hoisted up every other possession.



I'd rather watch iverson, t-mac, and vince carter playing iso-ball over steph curry, james harden, and klay thompson hoisting up 3s.

not to mention the fact we had bigs like Rasheed Wallace and Dirk Norwitzki not making all-star or all-nba teams games cause you had Duncan, KG, Webber, and Shaq ahead of em.

 

[MrFantastic]

Where did I say any of that?

The Rockets led the league in 3 pointers attempted because of the fact they had Hakeem and putting floor spacers around him made sense. That is going to happen again, a great post man will come along and the team he's on is going to surround him with shooters at PG, SG, SF and PF.



Also, @Hersh the ideal lineup is basically what the Rockets had in 94-95 in terms of build, but with a modern PG that can create off the dribble.

You didnt ..but that strategy has been here since bball was invented...the only difference is the PF now can shoot them too..and the philosophy of the three.

So it would be safe to say that 90's rockets team would beat any team in this era?

 

[Malta]

fukk outta here with this crap. the most fun i had watching the nba was from 2000-2004. the height of the hand-check era. the isolation and post game of the early 00s was more fun to watch than this new bullshyt nba with 3s being hoisted up every other possession.



I'd rather watch iverson, t-mac, and vince carter playing iso-ball over steph curry, james harden, and klay thompson hoisting up 3s.

not to mention the fact we had bigs like Rasheed Wallace and Dirk Norwitzki not making all-star or all-nba teams games cause you had Duncan, KG, Webber, and Shaq ahead of em.

#WPOY2015


@Ed MOTHERfukkING G this dude is talking about 00-04, when the thread is about the 90s vs now

 

[Jplaya2023]

is this not the GOAT era for point guards?

Didnt Curry just win the MVP?

He better than KJ, by miles.

that's hyperbole

there were great PGs in the 90s as well

Stock
Zeke (before he retired)
Penny
GP
Kidd
Johnson


are all comparable to
Steph
Russy
Wall
Rose
Lilliard
Parker
etc..

The biggest difference to me was the PGs now are better shooters/scorers (Except wall and rose), and the PG's mentioned 1st are better "pure PGs" and didn't look to score as much as these guys do.

but i'm sure you will just tell me i'm wrong and way off base..

 

[Malta]

You didnt ..but that strategy has been here since bball was invented...the only difference is the PF now can shoot them too..and the philosophy of the three.

So it would be safe to say that 90's rockets team would beat any team in this era?

Sure, if the 3 line was at 22 feet, they didn't start taking a shytload of threes until the line was moved in. Robert Horry took 5.5 a game with the short line, he took 1.8 per game during his career outside of that.

 

[Rakim Allah]

Yes, MILES.






Career 35% shooter from 3, does he just magically become a more efficient shooter

Also of hilarious note, his three best years from 3 were with the short 3 point line.........and he still couldn't shoot a higher percentage from 3 than the Chef, but 5 straight scoring titles today with the longer 3 line....just cause.


The 90s yall.

35% is good enough to win scoring titles. But who HONESTLY knows if he wouldn't become a more efficient shooter in THIS era. He's one of those players from that 90s era who would fit in lovely in today's game

He'd have that green light unlike he had in the NBA in his era. He was before his time so he never got the big mins. The year he finally got the big mins the flag incident derailed the rest of that season and his career.

Chef has the 3 inches in height on him but Mahmoud has the quickness and explosiveness. Mahmoud would be perfect for this era. His weaknesses wouldn't get exposed as much in this era plus combo guards are common place now and Westhead/Issel/Bickerstaff are no longer coaches.

 

[Malta]

that's hyperbole

there were great PGs in the 90s as well

Stock
Zeke (before he retired)
Penny
GP
Kidd
Johnson


are all comparable to
Steph
Russy
Wall
Rose
Lilliard
Parker
etc..

The biggest difference to me was the PGs now are better shooters/scorers (Except wall and rose), and the PG's mentioned 1st are better "pure PGs" and didn't look to score as much as these guys do.

but i'm sure you will just tell me i'm wrong and way off base..

The fact you stopped at Parker and just went with "etc" is comical and proves @mastermind point


Because after "etc" we still have Kyrie, Conley, Lawson, Dragic, Lowry and Teague.