1990s NBA teams vs Current teams.

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im only on the second page and im already reading a bunch of garbage. how the hell would teams today have a shooting advantage over teams in the 90s? in the 90s you had legit 7 footers that commanded a double team. open 3s all day. if im a 3 point shooter, id rather play with a legit center over a drive and kick guard anyday. you dont think starks, hubert davis and derek harper would love to let it rain from 3 all day. or dscott and nick anderson. come on son. teams back then could shoot with the best of them. but the phrase is, work smarter not harder. all i see is a bunch of flopping, arm frailing, getting to the line 20 times a game. the utah jazz would beat every time on that list. its all about the system. they could pick and roll these teams to death and these coaches wouldnt have a clue how to stop it.
 

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HOFS LEADING THEIR TEAMS TO 60 WINS IS A SHOCK NOW?

THAT SONICS TEAM WAS LOADED
NOT SURE WHY YOU POSTED THEM....

ITS A 3P LEAGUE NOW
THE MOST BUM TEAMS IN THE L
MAKE MORE 3S THAN THE BEST TEAMS IN THE 90S
SO THAT AINT REALLY SAYING shyt.

IM SURE JOSH SMITH HAS MADE MORE 3S THAN KERR IN 94.
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The premise of this thread is dumb as hell. The existence of hand checking and how NBA has made it such an emphasis to allow freedom of movement off the ball alone has helped open up the three point game. Not to mention allowing zone defense or the quasi zone defense so many teams use now. In the 90s you were forced rule wise to either do a hard double or be attached to your man which gave post players and players with one on one ability either more room to work or completely left someone wide open. It's not like there weren't players back then who could stroke it. It was just frowned upon a lot more to take a lot of three point shots, they were looked at almost as a last resort or unless you are wide open. So to use the difference in three point shooting to demonstrate the current era teams somehow being better is ridiculous. In reality I think it would just reconfigure who would've been shining. Just to use the old Knicks players like Derek Harper, Charlie Ward, Starks would have a rough time even getting clock in today's era. But at the same time I don't see a player like Harden killing like he is if a player is allowed to be up in your chest and controlling you with his hands.

I think players like Dale Ellis, Mike Adams, Chris Jackson (Adbul-Rauf), Mark Price in today's era with free reign to shoot at any opening.

why do you say this? because they dont look like the prototypical athlete? its still basketball. you shoot, driblble and pass. if jj reddikk and kyle korver can stay in the league. so can these guys
 

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Also factor in that the players nowadays come in at a younger age, when Anthony Davis, Durant, Rose, Wall etc. were the same age as the players you listed, they were already several years into the league. So yes you can make the argument that players weren't as good from day 1, but when they were the same age as most of those guys you listed they were top notch players anyway :yeshrug:
Trust me I undestand and agree...But that is just as much part of the evolution of the game as the 3 point shot being used as a major weapon.. It's ALL part of the discussion... Thats why its impossible to make an assertion that one group of teams are inherently better than another...There are way too many moving parts...The most honest response would be that you personally ENJOY watching one era vs another...

As for your other point.. The discussion of the East being consistently top heavy and awful the past 10 years is without merit? I'll admit I don't know how the numbers add up specifically through each year of the 90's but the narrative has been that the EC is bad basketball for awhile now.. I don't think it's a really radical concept generally peaking...
 

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And the Bulls eventually lost to a team that was better at making the 3, and the team that beat them eventually lost to a team that was better at making the 3.

No, Jordan wouldn't get shut down, nowhere did I even imply that. What would happen though is his teammates would struggle because the spacing simply isn't there when there aren't multiple 3 point threats on the floor. Teams would load up the strongside, the entire defensive philosophy by Thibs is designed to make great scorers work while limiting their teammates, which is why there's been an explosion of 3s. Teams didn't just decide to take more 3s, it's a result of the defense taking advantage of teams with conventional lineups.

The next evolution will be at the PF spot, a guy that can matchup with the smaller 4s and beat them up in the paint while also being able to shoot the 3.


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Trust me I undestand and agree...But that is just as much part of the evolution of the game as the 3 point shot being used as a major weapon.. It's ALL part of the discussion... Thats why its impossible to make an assertion that one group of teams are inherently better than another...There are way too many moving parts...The most honest response would be that you personally ENJOY watching one era vs another...

As for your other point.. The discussion of the East being consistently top heavy and awful the past 10 years is without merit? I'll admit I don't know how the numbers add up specifically through each year of the 90's but the narrative has been that the EC is bad basketball for awhile now.. I don't think it's a really radical concept generally peaking...

The East has been bad and of course when comparing the different eras that has to be accounted for, but I was just pointing out that the West had some pretty bad years in the 90's as well, and that can't be overlooked either.
 

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This is just a dumb discussion. No shyt teams built for a different game than today's wouldn't hang with current squads.

If we playing a game of "ifs" then why not also ask what kinda squad would the Knicks, Sonics, Spurs, etc. built around their HOFs for the game played by this era? That seems like the more fair discussion to me :manny:

I was listening to LeBatard talk about how James Jones is basically the same height and weight as Bill Rusell. And how Rusell couldn't really hang in this era....that's so fukking dumb imo. If Rusell played today he'd probably have a completely different style, played in a different position and would adapt his skills to whatever could work for him in today's game. Would he be as dominant as he was? Most likely not, but we honestly have no fukking clue what kind of player he would be.
 
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This is just a dumb discussion. No shyt teams built for a different game than today's wouldn't hang with current squads.

If we playing a game of "ifs" then why not also ask what kinda squad would the Knicks, Sonics, Spurs, etc. built around their HOFs for the game played by this era? That seems like the more fair discussion to me :manny:

I was listening to LeBatard talk about how James Jones is basically the same height and weight as Bill Rusell. And how Rusell couldn't really hang in this era....that's so fukking dumb imo. If Rusell played today he'd probably have a completely different style, played in a different position and would adapt his skills to whatever could work for him in today's game. Would he be as dominant as he was? Most likely not, but we honestly have no fukking clue what kind of player he would be.

^^^^THIS.


People talk about older players as being smaller and less skilled. As if today's players don't benefit from the very things the older players didn't have. If you gonna compare Bill Russell to James Jones, then don't you have to extrapolate the benefits of the modern era (Weight training, sports science, nutrition, supplementation, technology, etc......) in Bill Russell's favor when comparing the two.

people don't take history into effect when comparing era's.

The first motherfukker to dunk a basketball didn't do a Windmill 360. The same way that the first motherfukker to build a plane didn't build a boeing 757

Why? Evolution. does that mean great leapers like Dr.J or David Thompson couldn't have done it? I mean if you can jump you can jump right. They just had never seen it done before.

At the end of the day will still comparing humans to humans.

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is that not as high as a GOAT teir level leaper of any era can get up? Including you know who.
 

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Part of the reason these teams are shooting this many threes in the first place is lack of efficient post play.

The 2000-01 Lakers shot less threes than every single team in the NBA this season except two. You don't need to shoot threes when you have a dominant big man that will score on nearly every possession when he's in the right position.

Case in point is the 2004-05 Spurs that literally made the LEAST threes out of any team in the league that season, and they went on the win an NBA Championship. What those two teams have in common is dominant big men - Shaq and Duncan. The 90's era Bulls did not have a dominant big man, but they did have the greatest NBA scorer of all time, along with elite wing defense (as did the Spurs with Bowen).There are no dominant big men today that are going to get you points in the paint and mid-range like your Robinsons, Olajuwons, Ewings, Malones, Barkleys etc were able to. The likes of Rik Smits would be a multiple-time all-star today based on statistics. At the end of the day, when the pace of the game is slowed in the playoffs and teams get into their half court sets, team defense becomes the most important aspect of the game. In that regard, the 90's Bulls would smother Curry's Warriors. Curry and Klay are good perimeter defenders, but they are no Jordan and Pippen. Draymond Green is a good role player and workhorse, but he is no Rodman. None of these 2010 era teams would know what to do with a Prime Shaq. The Grizzlies are the closest thing to a 90s era team, and they have been very effective in this era, but lack a dominant scorer - or any scorer for that matter. If they had just one, they would be a Championship contender.

That Seattle Supersonics team that you've listed is pretty solid, and would give most teams in the league today a run for their money. The Knicks team you listed held opponents to 95 pts/game that season, you should really frame some of these points in the right context. While I will agree with the OP that spreading the floor with good perimeter shooters has revolutionized the game somewhat, it doesn't necessarily mean that it is now superior (perhaps offensively it is). These teams still lack the post presence that would force their opponents to double on their dominant center and make their defense collapse.Teams from the 90s had inferior shooting on the wings, but they did have superior post play and defense and the greatest teams have usually been built on that. I guess I will disagree with the premise of this thread, and chalk it up simply to it being a preference for eras. But I am not seeing anything convincing enough to conclude that teams in this era are better than teams from the 90s.

As for this whole nostalgia debate in sports; no one has any problem calling Manning and Brady the greatest QBs of all time or Messi the greatest soccer player of all time, or Federer the greatest tennis player of all time. I think people genuinely feel that the 90s were the golden era of basketball. It's an era that was stacked with Hall of Fame greats and not one where James Harden is a consensus top 3 player in the league.


Your entire post fell apart in the first line :russ:


In 1994-1995 the Houston Rockets led the league in 3 point attempts, their total made 3s increased by 200+ threes from the previous year. Why? Because the 3 point line was moved in to 22 feet all around, which put a huge emphasis on supporting post players with 3 point shots. Yall just go with the tried and true talking points.

You say the Sonics would give teams run today, yet they lost in the first round to an offensively challenged team that could defend and hit the 3 :dead:
 
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