1310, Mali Empire sailed to the Americas before Columbus

[Barnett114]

Well shyt you the only mod i really know of off the top.

Sir plz direct me to the Final Boss who does the bans.

Houston911 can ban.

 

[UncleTomFord15]

B..b..but Columbus did it first

Meanwhile from Columbus himself;
According to an American historian and linguist Leo Weiner of Harvard University, one of the strongest pieces of evidence to support the fact that Africans sailed to America before Christopher Columbus was a journal entry from Columbus himself.

In Weiner’s book, “Africa and the Discovery of America,” he explains that Columbus noted in his journal that the Native Americans confirmed “black skinned people had come from the south-east in boats, trading in gold-tipped spears.” It was found also that the ratio of properties of gold, copper, and silver alloy were identical to the spears then being forged in African Guinea.

Enormous Olmec head statues with African facial characteristics found throughout Central and South America support that Africans had settled in America long before its apparent “discovery.” Ranging up to 11.15 feet in height and weighing 30 to 40 tons, these statues generally depict helmeted black men with large eyes, broad fleshy noses and full lips.

The first of these heads was discovered by explorer Jose Melgar in Veracruz in 1862. Melgar wrote that “what astonished me was the Ethiopic type which it represents. I reflected that there had undoubtedly been blacks in this country.” The headpiece worn on these Olmec sculptures is related to a type of war helmet identified as connecting them to Egyptian region Nubians.


In truth, Africans began coming to the Americas thousands of years before Columbus; and the evidence of their presence, though systematically ignored by mainstream and K-12 education curriculum, is overwhelming and undeniable.

 

[Dominoes]

Europeans used Moorish/African navigators to reach the Americans, yet the ancestors of those Black navigators didn't take the journey themselves

 

[Akae Beka]

I dont know but I suspect the Hull Bay Skeletons they found in the virgin islands leaves question marks for a lot of people

It predates the 15th century too

Its like its almost irrefutable

 

[The Wall Is Undefeated!]

Its funny to see clowns deny reality. Dark skin people with loc'd hair and you say they dont look like locs..

But scratch all that, nobody shows these indigenous Americans existing and thats the problem. Show they existed, then lets determine who's who instead of acting like it was all mongloid like people till the "slave trade" happened in the "1600s".

I see a lot of talking but no evidence. What they looked like is decieving. Genetics is far better at determining what people are and were on a physical level. They haven't found any African (both Sub-Saharan and North) genes pre 1500 CE. They have found very few similarities when it comes to items. There is practically no iron artefacts among Amerindian peoples pre 1500CE, not to mention weaponry. No exchange of agricultural crops and livestock between Africans (Yams, Rice, Cowpea, Millet, Sorghum, Palm oil, Goats. Cattle etc) and Amerindians (Potatoes, Corn, Squash, Tomatoes, Cassava, Chillies, Peppers, etc) before the 16th century CE.
Do I really need to go on!?

No. Lets discard the cacs interpretation of archaeology, history, genetics, linguistics, and many oher fields of study for discerning the truth about history and build our own database. No cac or history teacher EVER showed me that mural.

At the bolded part - This is typical of fools who don't have a leg to stand on when it comes to evidence. Many non cacs have come to the same concusions as cacs when it comes to this subject and within the fields of study. You are simply arguing against the available data. Sorry, you're going to have to do better than 'cacs are suppressing'.

Oh yea I didnt mention that those arent "pictures" but are murals that are from an ancient time period? Can you tell me when we, in America, are told about this ancient civilization that had people of dark skin color with locs as hair?

A mural is a picture. and it only tells a small part of the story. Genetics, archaeology, linguistics and many other fields of study aren't in your favour. I suppose I should discard theories from many other sciences because it's 'cac interpretation'!?
Rediculous.

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

B..b..but Columbus did it first

Meanwhile from Columbus himself;
According to an American historian and linguist Leo Weiner of Harvard University, one of the strongest pieces of evidence to support the fact that Africans sailed to America before Christopher Columbus was a journal entry from Columbus himself.

In Weiner’s book, “Africa and the Discovery of America,” he explains that Columbus noted in his journal that the Native Americans confirmed “black skinned people had come from the south-east in boats, trading in gold-tipped spears.” It was found also that the ratio of properties of gold, copper, and silver alloy were identical to the spears then being forged in African Guinea.

Columbus didn't write that and Leo Weiner screwed-up the translation of 'sueste' which, in archaic Spanish, is a contracted version of 'sudueste' which means 'southWEST'.

The journal entry was created by a guy named Bartolomé de Las Casas in a book he wrote titled History of the Indies in 1892. The journal entry is actually a conflation of two separate entries mashed together that Columbus didn't even write....

Following Up on the Real Source of Columbus's Mysterious Voyage of the "Black People"​

Enormous Olmec head statues with African facial characteristics found throughout Central and South America support that Africans had settled in America long before its apparent “discovery.” Ranging up to 11.15 feet in height and weighing 30 to 40 tons, these statues generally depict helmeted black men with large eyes, broad fleshy noses and full lips.

The first of these heads was discovered by explorer Jose Melgar in Veracruz in 1862. Melgar wrote that “what astonished me was the Ethiopic type which it represents. I reflected that there had undoubtedly been blacks in this country.” The headpiece worn on these Olmec sculptures is related to a type of war helmet identified as connecting them to Egyptian region Nubians.


In truth, Africans began coming to the Americas thousands of years before Columbus; and the evidence of their presence, though systematically ignored by mainstream and K-12 education curriculum, is overwhelming and undeniable.

The stone heads are indicative of Native South American features, not African. They are similar due to climate, not ethnicity, and were constructed about 1200/900 BCE.

Africans were not sailing across the Atlantic Ocean 3,000 years ago and even if they were, they didn't make it to America as there are NO genetic or archeological traces of them ever being here.

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[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

I dont know but I suspect the Hull Bay Skeletons they found in the virgin islands leaves question marks for a lot of people

It predates the 15th century too

Its like its almost irrefutable

It would be except for the simple fact that the only reports about them don't indicate anything definitive as far as their ancestry, like DNA.

A piece of pottery was found with one of them dating to about the 9th Century CE.

The reports state they have 'negroid features' which is meaningless as those same features are present across a broad spectrum of ethnic groups due to climate/environment.

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[The Wall Is Undefeated!]

Columbus didn't write that and Leo Weiner screwed-up the translation of 'sueste' which, in archaic Spanish, is a contracted version of 'sudueste' which means 'southWEST'.

The journal entry was created by a guy named Bartolomé de Las Casas in a book he wrote titled History of the Indies in 1892. The journal entry is actually a conflation of two separate entries mashed together that Columbus didn't even write....

Following Up on the Real Source of Columbus's Mysterious Voyage of the "Black People"​

The stone heads are indicative of Native South American features, not African. They are similar due to climate, not ethnicity, and were constructed about 1200/900 BCE.

Africans were not sailing across the Atlantic Ocean 3,000 years ago and even if they were, they didn't make it to America as there are NO genetic or archeological traces of them ever being here.

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At the bolded part - Exactly. Plenty of Amerindians in the tropics have features that can overlap with certain SSA peoples. However that has nothing to do with admixture or Africans making the Olmec stone heads.
I mean plenty of melanesians have similar facial features to certain SSA people yet DNA evidence shows that Oceanians are more related to East Asians.

 

[The Wall Is Undefeated!]

This is mostly bullshyt. There is NO evidence of any African expedition making it to the Americas prior to the 15th Century CE.​

Stop regurgitating nonsense from Ivan Van Sertima.

We don't need to steal other people's heritage to make ourselves feel better. That's what White people did.​

At the bolded part - They'll be the first to complain about white people stealing and fabricating history (rightfully so), yet have no problem when they and black people do it.
Make it make sense.

 

[Everythingg]

I see a lot of talking but no evidence. What they looked like is decieving. Genetics is far better at determining what people are and were on a physical level. They haven't found any African (both Sub-Saharan and North) genes pre 1500 CE. They have found very few similarities when it comes to items. There is practically no iron artefacts among Amerindian peoples pre 1500CE, not to mention weaponry. No exchange of agricultural crops and livestock between Africans (Yams, Rice, Cowpea, Millet, Sorghum, Palm oil, Goats. Cattle etc) and Amerindians (Potatoes, Corn, Squash, Tomatoes, Cassava, Chillies, Peppers, etc) before the 16th century CE.
Do I really need to go on!?

Nah bruh don’t go any further with your BS. What they depicted themselves as looking like is the best indicator we have because all other facets can easily be faked. When it comes to genetics all the avg person can do is trust someone else’s word. The avg person can’t do the genetic tests required to prove anything. Which is why you want that and not what the people left themselves to be the deciding factor...

At the bolded part - This is typical of fools who don't have a leg to stand on when it comes to evidence. Many non cacs have come to the same concusions as cacs when it comes to this subject and within the fields of study. You are simply arguing against the available data. Sorry, you're going to have to do better than 'cacs are suppressing'.

I doubt you a American anyways breh. If you was you’d know we are NEVER shown these guys with dark skin and locs as being in America. So yea that is suppression. And that’s just in America. Cacs are also in Europe suppressing the moors once ruling Europe...

A mural is a picture. and it only tells a small part of the story. Genetics, archaeology, linguistics and many other fields of study aren't in your favour. I suppose I should discard theories from many other sciences because it's 'cac interpretation'!?
Rediculous.

The first and foremost thing is what they left themselves. Black people with locs is what’s shown. And that’s not something cacs show when they’re discussing history showing that, yes, they’re suppressing history... If you want to pretend that it’s some other group out there with dark skin and locs in their hair that wouldn’t be designated as black today then that’s fine. The overarching point is we’re not shown these people as existing in history. The only Americans we’re presented with are the straight haired mongloids. You won’t address that tho

 

[GrindtooFilthy]

That's not MY argument. My argument is there was no African expedition to the Americas.​

Expedition in what way? He may have not traversed the Americas but he did make contact with the Amerindians/natives.

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

Expedition in what way? He may have not traversed the Americas but he did make contact with the Amerindians/natives.

In order to make contact, he'd have had to cross the Atlantic Ocean (or they would have) which did not happen as far as the evidence indicates.​

 

[Mowgli]

The dissapointment when alot of black people find out they didn't descend from a slave.

 

[GrindtooFilthy]

In order to make contact, he'd have had to cross the Atlantic Ocean (or they would have) which did not happen as far as the evidence indicates.​

as another poster stated they very well made contact. Even Colombus confirmed it, what kind of crack are you smoking

 

[dat aint da same sandwich]

Ban Bet my ethnicity or STFU....but first, take IVS' dikk out your mouth.​

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Nah, CAC.

You the one in here prolly looking like this:

You mad because my black ancestors displayed intelligence and greatness. Bet you ain't even half as mad at all the white historians that portrayed my people as savages.

Ole "there's no way those inferior blacks could have achieved that" ass fakkit.

You prolly think Blondie invented hip hop too. Fakkit.