12/7 DAZN: "Jihad in Riyadh" Andy Ruiz vs Anthony Joshua 2 (WBA/WBO/IBF Heavyweight Titles)

[reservoirdogs]

Fury's coach talking outta his ass while his man was being busted up by Wallin on his last fight.
You heard it, from now on if somebody at HW tries to outbox and opponent that must be a copy of Fury. Nobody fought from the distance before Fury.

To be serious though... I wouldn't mix the two up, the common thing in the two styles was really only the boxing from the distance part. Joshua didn't do Fury's awkward, herky-jerky shyt, it was more of a classic out-boxing style.

 

[Iceson Beckford]

I honestly don't like that this has turned into a america vs whatever thing. I support whatever black fighter, regardless of where white supremacy put them

Already dreading Wilder VS Joshua takes.

The Locker Room is already full of this divisive xenophobic rubbish, don’t need to see even more in here.

 

[patscorpio]

Already dreading Wilder VS Joshua takes.

The Locker Room is already full of this divisive xenophobic rubbish, don’t need to see even more in here.

its already happened....alot of nikkas who dont know boxing talking that stupid shyt

 

[NormanConnors]

Surpassed Bruno like his doubters thought he wouldn't lol

I'd Pick Bruno over AJ if they were to mythically fight tho . Bruno would eat in this era easy.

 

[Iceson Beckford]

its already happened....alot of nikkas who dont know boxing talking that stupid shyt

shyt makes me not want to come on here full stop.

Luckily I’ve learnt a lot in this sub forum and normal posting is usually great and insightful.


Everyone likes a bit of banter but this whole politics seeping into everything shyt is annoying

 

[reservoirdogs]

its already happened....alot of nikkas who dont know boxing talking that stupid shyt

A great American HW champ, the first one since Holyfield is a desire of many American fight fans. I think sooner or later one or more will emerge I just don't think it'd be Wilder.

 

[The Ruler 09]

Wouldn't say that he's way ahead cause he lost to Ruiz which was a big upset and Fury beat a younger version of Wlad and also should have gotten the nod vs Wilder (I accept if you don't count that though as the official result was a draw).
So it's between him and Fury. Joshua with beating top 10 opponents consistently but also losing once in a big upset and Fury with the best single win and occasional standout performances against top opponents but without Joshua's consistency of fighting top 10 opponents, he basically either fights very hard fights or super easy ones (at least on paper, sometimes it can turn out different like with Wallin), really only a few "in-between" (Chisora).
Wilder has longevity over Fury and AJ but doesn't have the consistent level of top opponents of AJ nor the standout wins of Fury.

In terms of names on his record he's way ahead. Considering the number of fights he's had, his resume shyts on someone like Wilder. If you take high risk fights you may lose but at least you taking them, I respect more a fighter that will go in and fight anyone rather than cherry picking and padding their record. He's showed he's better than Ruiz now quite conclusively with a hugely dominant performance and wide decision. Now it's over he's admitted had health issues the first fight too so makes more sense, was clear something in some way was wrong with him that first fight.

Fury's beat Wlad which he deserves credit for and Chisora is a good win. I had him beating Wilder too so will even give him that but his level of opposition consistently hasn't been as good. Fury only really had those 3 notable names. The rest are subpar. AJ has Wlad, Parker, Povetkin, Ruiz, Whyte which are great wins. Then he has Takam, Martin, Breazeale, Molina on his record too, in just 23 fights this is exceptional, not just for a current heavyweight but of all time, a lot of people don't take proper fights for ages, Wilder is the obvious example, AJ after a certain point just started taking only serious fights. Not even mentioning the fact he's an Olympic Gold medalist. Tyson Fury has had 30 fights and has a weaker record. Wilder has the weakest of the top heavyweights, his record is a joke, Ortiz, who's questionable as it is.

Even if you look at AJ, he beat Whyte who on record Chisora lost twice to, second a knockout, and that's either Fury's 2nd or 3rd best win depending on whether we are counting the Wilder victory he should have been awarded.

Not to say anybody is conclusively better, but AJ has fought competition that are ranked factually higher. I think there was a list that AJ in much less fighters has fought by far the most out of those in terms of top fighters, infact I think he's fought and beaten more top 10 ranked opponents than both of Fury and Wilder put together.

 

[reservoirdogs]

In terms of names on his record he's way ahead. Considering the number of fights he's had, his resume shyts on someone like Wilder. If you take high risk fights you may lose but at least you taking them, I respect more a fighter that will go in and fight anyone rather than cherry picking and padding their record. He's showed he's better than Ruiz now quite conclusively with a hugely dominant performance and wide decision. Now it's over he's admitted had health issues the first fight too so makes more sense, was clear something in some way was wrong with him that first fight.

Fury's beat Wlad which he deserves credit for and Chisora is a good win. I had him beating Wilder too so will even give him that but his level of opposition consistently hasn't been as good. Fury only really had those 3 notable names. The rest are subpar. AJ has Wlad, Parker, Povetkin, Ruiz, Whyte which are great wins. Then he has Takam, Martin, Breazeale, Molina on his record too, in just 23 fights this is exceptional, not just for a current heavyweight but of all time, a lot of people don't take proper fights for ages, Wilder is the obvious example, AJ after a certain point just started taking only serious fights. Not even mentioning the fact he's an Olympic Gold medalist. Tyson Fury has had 30 fights and has a weaker record. Wilder has the weakest of the top heavyweights, his record is a joke, Ortiz, who's questionable as it is.

Even if you look at AJ, he beat Whyte who on record Chisora lost twice to, second a knockout, and that's either Fury's 2nd or 3rd best win depending on whether we are counting the Wilder victory he should have been awarded.

Not to say anybody is conclusively better, but AJ has fought competition that are ranked factually higher. I think there was a list that AJ in much less fighters has fought by far the most out of those in terms of top fighters, infact I think he's fought and beaten more top 10 ranked opponents than both of Fury and Wilder put together.

I don't agree with every part but you wrote a logical argument otherwise and I agree that out of AJ, Wilder and Fury, Joshua is the one who most consistently fights the level of opposition a champion SHOULD fight.

 

[patscorpio]

I'd Pick Bruno over AJ if they were to mythically fight tho . Bruno would eat in this era easy.

no he wouldn't...hes on the weaker side of heavyweight champs from the 80s and 90s

 

[Bawon Samedi]

Glad AJ won but some of you AJ fans are talking reckless especially about Wilder.

 

[Lewis Black]

The casuals in here lol , "xyz would beat xya so easily because xyb happend "

Wilder gets out boxed by damn near everyone (and lost to fury).

Fury just went life and death with Otto wallin.

Joshua's flaws got exposed by ruiz 6 months ago.

None of these dudes are invincible. Calm down on the fanboy ish lol

 

[ℒℴѵℯJay ELECTUA]

The casuals in here lol , "xyz would beat xya so easily because xyb happend "

Wilder gets out boxed by damn near everyone (and lost to fury).

Fury just went life and death with Otto wallin.

Joshua's flaws got exposed by ruiz 6 months ago.

None of these dudes are invincible. Calm down on the fanboy ish lol

so much truth to that!!

 

[Lewis Black]

My take on the fight.

I think this is joshua's best boxing performance. He should stay at this at weight for sure. I don't think he lost any power, ruiz's chin is just that good. Would like to see him beat pulev and then go on to fight the winner of Wilder/fury.

On ruiz

It's a tricky one with this guy. If he could stay disciplined I think there are a few more title shots/big fights for him. Dudes only 30 and he can fight but I feel like he will never be disciplined enough.

 

[DapMeUp!]

Already dreading Wilder VS Joshua takes.

The Locker Room is already full of this divisive xenophobic rubbish, don’t need to see even more in here.

No need for any takes about that fight anytime soon I can almost guarantee it's not happening next year.

AJ fights twice a year and is probably just set to Fulfill both of his mandatorys next year and/or Ruiz part 3 if were lucky/unlucky

Wilder set to take on Fury and depending on the result (ie if Fury wins) we might get a part 3 at the years end

Only way I see a unification soon is if Fury wins.

 

[NormanConnors]

no he wouldn't...hes on the weaker side of heavyweight champs from the 80s and 90s

Him and AJ are similar to me, athletic body builder type cats with chin, heart and stamina issues. Cept Frank fought better competition, although he couldn't win the big one. Aside from Tyson he gave everyone else (Lennox included) a handful before getting sparked out. I dont think it's that far fetched to say that he could do what AJ is doing now at least