12/28 PBC on SHO: Gervonta Davis vs Yuriorkis Gamboa / Jean Pascal vs Badou Jack

[Amare's Right Hook]

Rematch Jack/Pascal

 

[FromBillionsCameOne]

He needs no S'n'C trainers, he needs dedication, that's what's lacking, not the quality of training. The need for SnC trainers is debatable anyway. Oldschool boxing trainers did all that shyt themselves, and plenty of those fighters went 15 rounds without gassing much. They didn't need SnC guys which makes sense. If you are a qualified trainer, you should be able to work on a fighter's physical condition too, not purely on his technique. I don't know why nowadays every second fighter feels they have to add a fitness guru to their camp, if it would be so effective I'd already noticed it by seeing fighters having better stamina than back in the days but I see no such thing.

A nutritionist makes more sense cause that's less common knowledge for trainers, although I think a truly qualified trainer can handle that too.

Makes no sense for a trainer to have to train for technique and game plan AND strength and conditioning AND you want to add nutritional n on top of that? That's crazy bro. There's a reason why people specialize in specific aspects of training.

 

[Creflo ½ Dollar]

If we keeping it a buck Gamboa beats him if he didn’t hurt his foot. Tank was basically a sitting duck 9-12.

Either in the first or early in the second he hit tank with some vintage Gamboa shots and speed.

On another note why was Gamboa so mad during the fight. Everytime the ref touched him he was swiping away his hand lol..he didn’t even want to let his trainer wipe off his face. After he hurt his foot he did want to quit but can you blame him because at that point he was a sitting duck against a power puncher and that basically guaranteed he was going to get beat down.
But he showed heart tho

 

[chosenaledge13]

If we keeping it a buck Gamboa beats him if he didn’t hurt his foot. Tank was basically a sitting duck 9-12.

Either in the first or early in the second he hit tank with some vintage Gamboa shots and speed.

On another note why was Gamboa so mad during the fight. Everytime the ref touched him he was swiping away his hand lol..he didn’t even want to let his trainer wipe off his face. After he hurt his foot he did want to quit but can you blame him because at that point he was a sitting duck against a power puncher and that basically guaranteed he was going to get beat down.
But he showed heart tho

Because he trained hard af and blew his damn Achilles at the beginning of the fight nikka

 

[ChocolateGiddyUp]

I was telling my girl its wild how Tank came in overweight yet Gamboa looked waaaaay more jacked than tank. I mean muscle is more dense than fat so it says alot.

Gamboa been at 135 for years... it takes time to correctly build muscle N grow into a new weight class

Tank jus ate


I think they planning on Fighting LSC at 130 on PPV next so that could’ve been the reason for the sloppy jump in weight besides the poor training

 

[The axe murderer]

Disagree.

Proper periodization alone can ensure that power, speed etc are trained accordingly so that they peak in proximity to a fight....that plus ongoing monitoring to ensure overtraining doesn't occur..
Theres just 2 examples that would benefit anyone in any sport....the more advanced an athlete is the more specialised their training should be. Actually making sure shyt like this happens is much more nuanced and requires special attention from someone who understands how to make it happen.

Marquez benefited from it ...ask

Exactly. They have periodization to make sure they don't get diminishing returns. They just need to program it right. SnC can benefit as injury prevention as well. And they will likely tailor it to his needs as well. Old school protocols will always be used for boxing but SnC has its place.
All he needs is that discipline though. All these youngsters wanna be Floyd but he had insane dedication, discipline, hunger etc that could make him succeed in most sports.

 

[krackdagawd]

Exactly. They have periodization to make sure they don't get diminishing returns. They just need to program it right. SnC can benefit as injury prevention as well. And they will likely tailor it to his needs as well. Old school protocols will always be used for boxing but SnC has its place.
All he needs is that discipline though. All these youngsters wanna be Floyd but he had insane dedication, discipline, hunger etc that could make him succeed in most sports.

Everyone who can afford a s & c coach has one. It would be easier to name the guys who arent using one at this point. After everyone saw the benefits Mackie Shilstone (GOAT) gave to Roy and BHop when they jumped up in weight classes everyone started using them. Hell dudes are even using mental conditioning coaches and shyt now

 

[reservoirdogs]

Jesus, everything doesn't need a devils advocate point of view my man.

Devil's advocate?
I wasn't trying to argue just for the sake of it I mean it, the SnC and nutritionist mania today seems a bit pseudo shyt to me, I'm not super conservative, I don't have problems with new things incorporated here and there I just don't see any proof how SnCs would add anything compared to older eras where the trainer took care of the conditioning training too.

 

[reservoirdogs]

Disagree.

Proper periodization alone can ensure that power, speed etc are trained accordingly so that they peak in proximity to a fight....that plus ongoing monitoring to ensure overtraining doesn't occur..
Theres just 2 examples that would benefit anyone in any sport....the more advanced an athlete is the more specialised their training should be. Actually making sure shyt like this happens is much more nuanced and requires special attention from someone who understands how to make it happen.

Marquez benefited from it ...ask

So then how is it that many fighters from older eras who didn't use x number of coaches in camp but only had 1 trainer who took care of anything could go 15 rounds without emptying their tank? The skills of fighters didn't improve either by today compared to the times where trainers didn't use supporting stuff so it seems the extra time trainers got to care about boxing technique didn't result in anything substantial either.

Maybe it's controversial but imo how a fighter has to be conditioned should be known best by an actual boxing trainer, in ideal case. Maybe today there's just not enough quality boxing trainers who take the effort but they rather outsource parts of the job to others, idk man... Oldschool trainers didn't use them and they were just fine.

 

[reservoirdogs]

Makes no sense for a trainer to have to train for technique and game plan AND strength and conditioning AND you want to add nutritional n on top of that? That's crazy bro. There's a reason why people specialize in specific aspects of training.

Thing is strength and conditioning wasn't viewed as a separate part for a long time, it was just a part of boxing training. Someone who was a quality trainer knew how to condition boxers and that's it, they didn't look at it like "Oh I have to do this TOO? fukk that!" but it was a basic requirement to train boxers.
Fighters moved up and down divisions in the past too, that's also nothing new.

 

[R=G]

The turn is here

 

[R=G]

If we keeping it a buck Gamboa beats him if he didn’t hurt his foot. Tank was basically a sitting duck 9-12.

Either in the first or early in the second he hit tank with some vintage Gamboa shots and speed.

On another note why was Gamboa so mad during the fight. Everytime the ref touched him he was swiping away his hand lol..he didn’t even want to let his trainer wipe off his face. After he hurt his foot he did want to quit but can you blame him because at that point he was a sitting duck against a power puncher and that basically guaranteed he was going to get beat down.
But he showed heart tho

Sitting duck? Nah..tired. He better focus up...that's a game of life and death.

 

[The axe murderer]

The turn is here

Tank problem apart from the shape he was he is was loading up too much on big single shots and wasn't throwing combos. A savvy vet even with a shaky chin like gamboa will brace himself for those. And gassing won't help

 

[reservoirdogs]

The turn is here

Davis gonna be dangerous against anyone at 135 in the first 4-5 rounds. If he doesn't deliver a stoppage or doesn't sap his opponent's energy with something big in those early rounds I see better conditioned top guys taking him apart down the line.

 

[The axe murderer]

Davis gonna be dangerous against anyone at 135 in the first 4-5 rounds. If he doesn't deliver a stoppage or doesn't sap his opponent's energy with something big in those early rounds I see better conditioned top guys taking him apart down the line.

That's loma's speciality unfortunately. He wears guys down the line