115th Congress defunds ACA: Senate: 51-48 House:227-198; Executive Order signed 1/20

[tru_m.a.c]

Get aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaalllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll the way the f*ck out of here breh. GOP made a plan that wasn't enacted by the following Republic presidents:

Ford
Reagan
Bush Sr
Bush Jr

^^^That's 4 republican presidents, with 2 of them being back to back and the plan THEY designed never got passed CACs and their revisionist history y'all

To be fair, Republicans were never in favor of Nixons health plan. Nixon devised it and was going to force it through as a way to steal democratic vote from Kennedy. Watergate actually destroy any hope for the plan being passed. Once Nixon lost favor with the public, he lost all his power within the Republican party.

Remember, the republicans/conservatives have been against every single health plan ever considered at the federal level. They didn't want medicare. They didn't want medicaid. Democrats never wanted to pass medicare, medicaid, and nation health insurance separately because they knew that once the elderly and poor were covered, Republicans would argue that the middle class was self-sufficient enough to not need help from the federal government.

And they were right, because that's been the fight we've been having forever.

 

[blackzeus]

I love hearing people talk about they don't want/need health insurance.

Muhfukka if you wear a seat belt, you need health insurance.
If you put a coat on when it gets cold and keep your distance from people who are sick, you need health insurance.

If at any point in your life you've attempted to avoid injury, YOU NEED HEALTH INSURANCE.

Miss me with that garbage.

What I meant to say (which I think you understood, just further clarifying) the way a social net works is when everybody is a part of the fabric. There might be someone that truly needs healthcare once in 10 years, and another that needs healthcare once every month. So what's happening is that the people who only need it once in 10 years are complaining about paying in to it, not realizing that that one time they will need it can cost more than everything they paid over the last 10 years combined To be fair insurance is inherently non-republican lol. Unfortunately for them this is a goverment of the people by the people, and also a government of plurality. So if most of the people want universal healthcare, those that don't might want to find another country to live in All in all it's a tough question, more so when the situation comes to light that it's not a homogenous society, aka John Todd is paying so that Akbar Ahmed can get a bunion surgery, which also plays a big part into it. There will always be a group that's unhappy with healthcare in a non homogenous society unfortunately.

To be fair, Republicans were never in favor of Nixons health plan. Nixon devised it and was going to force it through as a way to steal democratic vote from Kennedy. Watergate actually destroy any hope for the plan being passed. Once Nixon lost favor with the public, he lost all his power within the Republican party.

Remember, the republicans/conservatives have been against every single health plan ever considered at the federal level. They didn't want medicare. They didn't want medicaid. Democrats never wanted to pass medicare, medicaid, and nation health insurance separately because they knew that once the elderly and poor were covered, Republicans would argue that the middle class was self-sufficient enough to not need help from the federal government.

And they were right, because that's been the fight we've been having forever.

The insinuation that Obama plagiarized a health care plan is what bothered me at the core of this discussion. Nobody has ever proposed in America a system that everybody is FORCED to pay into for the benefit of others. Technically Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security are for YOUR benefit, not others. It's a socialist concept, in a democratic republic, which makes it a political anomaly, while this idea is not atypical for a political genius like Obama, it's something a bit ahead of it's time in America, the idea that you can blend different political doctrines for the betterment of all. And that's what Washington types hate, not that fact that it works, just the fact that it's not 100% democratic. It flies in face of the idea that the democratic way is the best way. I mean, if socialist healthcare is better than democratic healthcare, maybe there are other types of government systems that are better? Maybe democracy isn't the greatest thing since Nimrod? That's why they want to destroy every trace of Obamacare. If they could they would burn all the archives containing that phrase like the Catholic Church did to Martin Luther. The concept that it's possible democracy isn't the best way to do things has to be destroyed at all costs, even if it means their own kind must suffer

 

[tru_m.a.c]

The insinuation that Obama plagiarized a health care plan is what bothered me at the core of this discussion. Nobody has ever proposed in America a system that everybody is FORCED to pay into for the benefit of others.

I'm not sure where you're getting your information from, but this is how every universal health care system is paid for. Taxes pay for every universal health system in the world. Universal Health care systems don't have an individual mandate because they are UNIVERSAL programs. In other words, just being a tax paying citizen is in itself the individual mandate. So in essence, every attempt to push for a national health insurance plan has been a forced tax to pay for the benefit of others. This is literally how medicaid and medicare are funded. You pay for everyone using medicaid through your taxes - forced payment. You pay for everyone's medicare through your taxes - forced payment.

The individual mandate is necessary in a private healthcare systems to prevent moral hazards or leeches from taking advantage of a public benefit. The individual mandate was designed by the Heritage Foundation: Original document where Heritage created Obamacare individual mandate

Nixon proposed this. Republicans proposed this. Democrats fought against versions of the ACA for 50years because they wanted national health insurance. Hate to burst your bubble on this, but the ACA takes republican funding schemes and free market levers to provide benefits that liberals believe every citizen is entitled to. It is a plagiarized policy.

This isn't the first anything.

Edit: Also, Obama did not write the ACA. He didn't even campaign on a specific health plan. His victory was in succeeding in getting the AMA, PhRMA, and AHIP not to lobby against his plan. How did he do this? By proposing the individual mandate, which assured them of warm bodies that would need their services. As I already stated, much of the policy was taken from RomneyCare and scaled up to the national level. RomneyCare expanded upon HillaryCare...and so on and so on.

 

[tru_m.a.c]

Learning from States

On the eve of federal health reform, five states—Maine, Massachusetts, New Jersey, New York, and Vermont—prohibited insurers from denying coverage or charging a higher premium based on health status. With the notable exception of Massachusetts, these states did not provide incentives to encourage healthy people who could afford coverage to buy it. And—except for Massachusetts—their individual health insurance markets were dysfunctional. In general, fewer plans participated, risk pools were smaller, and premiums were much higher than they had been (or would be after the ACA). In New York, for example, rates skyrocketed after the state’s market reforms took effect in the early 1990s and remained high. In 2012, one carrier in New York City was charging $1,299 a month for individual coverage, nearly three times the unsubsidized price of the 2017 benchmark plan offered in the marketplace today. (For the vast majority of marketplace participants who are receiving premium tax credits, the cost differential is even greater.) In New Jersey, years of declining enrollment and premium increases led the state to modify its reforms in 2003 to introduce the “Basic and Essential” plan. Notwithstanding the name, these plans didn’t cover many critical benefits, including chemotherapy, outpatient prescription drugs, and maternity, and allowed insurers to raise premiums based on gender and other factors.

Other states had also attempted nongroup market reforms without a mandate or subsidies, but had abandoned this strategy prior to 2013. Kentucky, New Hampshire, and Washington established guaranteed issue and community rating rules in the 1990s; each subsequently repealed or significantly weakened those requirements in the face of deteriorating markets (as did other states, including Iowa and South Dakota, where only guaranteed issue requirements had been present). In Kentucky, only two insurers remained in the individual market out of more than 23 that were active before the state’s reforms. In Washington, after years of adverse selection and consequent escalations in premiums, every individual insurer—19 in total—stopped writing nongroup policies until reform efforts were rolled back.

And what of Massachusetts? After years of unsuccessful experiments with partial reform, the state enacted broad changes in 2006. It established a coverage mandate, created a health insurance marketplace where consumers could buy comprehensive policies on a guaranteed basis, merged the individual and small-group markets, and enrolled those with lower incomes into a new state program offering subsidized coverage. By 2010, Massachusetts’ individual market had experienced increased enrollment, remained competitive, and had lower premiums than on the date of reform.

 

[satam55]

What Republicans and what Americans hate about Obamacare are different.

 

[blackzeus]

Americans essentially voted in retards to improve a program created by intellectuals

 

[ineedsleep212]

The audacity of these clowns

 

[Regular_P]

It should fukk them in the end, but Democrats need to start hammering away at them for not having any semblance of a plan. I would be taking daily pot shots if I was a Democratic Senator or Rep and not at Trump. They need to put Mitch McConnell, Paul Ryan and the rest of these dipshyts in the Senate/Congress front and center.

 

[Colilluminati]

In Indiana you can get full medical ,dental, vision for about $20 a month . If you don't have a job it's $1 a month .

 

[Scholar]

14:46 for his reason. He also left out an obvious reason as well, race

@tru_m.a.c You've been making some of these points in this thread

 

[tru_m.a.c]

Harvard doctors just revealed how many people will die from repealing Obamacare

Two physicians with decades of experience studying death rates relating to changes in health coverage have concluded that repealing Obamacare is fatal.

Drs. David Himmelstein and Steffie Woolhandler, both professors of public health at the City University of New York’s Hunter College and lecturers in medicine at Harvard Medical School, both agree that even under the most conservative estimates, getting rid of President Obama’s signature healthcare reform law will result in 43,956 deaths every year.

Himmelstein and Woolhandler based their numbers on the New England Journal of Medicine’s (NEJM) findings that for every 455 people across multiple states who received health insurance through Medicaid expansion, at least one life was saved due to finally being able to see a doctor. The NEJM’s sample focused on Arizona, Maine, and New York –states that dramatically increased adult eligibility for Medicaid — and consisted of adults between the ages of 20 and 64, observed five years prior to and after expansion of Medicaid programs, from 1997 through 2007.

In an op-ed for the Washington Post, Himmelstein and Woolhandler expressed pessimism for President Trump, House Speaker Paul Ryan, and Health and Human Services nominee Rep. Tom Price (R-Georgia) for coming up with a replacement for Obamacare after repealing it. Indeed, both argued that the reforms proposed by the Trump administration to take the place of Obamacare could actually cause even more deaths than they initially predicted:

Abolishing minimum coverage standards for insurance policies would leave insurers and employers free to cut coverage for preventive and reproduction-related care. Allowing interstate insurance sales probably would cause a race to the bottom, with skimpy plans that emanate from lightly regulated states becoming the norm. Block granting Medicaid would leave poor patients at the mercy of state officials, many of whom have shown little concern for the health of the poor. A Medicare voucher program (with the value of the voucher tied to overall inflation rather than more rapid medical inflation) would worsen the coverage of millions of seniors, a problem that would be exacerbated by the proposed ban on full coverage under Medicare supplement policies.​

Earlier this month, the Republican-led Senate passed a resolution calling for the repeal of six planks of Obamacare, including coverage for pre-existing conditions and young people remaining on their parents’ health insurance plan until they’re 26 years old. The Senate instructed the House to have a repeal bill ready by this Friday, January 27.

Harvard doctors just revealed how many people will die from repealing Obamacare

 

[Scholar]

Reading more on it, the 3.8% tax on passive income for Medicare in ACA is definitely a key player

 

[Rekkapryde]

In Indiana you can get full medical ,dental, vision for about $20 a month . If you don't have a job it's $1 a month .

for real????

 

[Colilluminati]

for real????

Yes. It's called H.I.P and H.I.P 2.0

Healthy Indiana Plan .

My cousin got it for $24 for 2 years until his disability was approved.

I might be wrong about dental , but I'm positive about the health and vision .

 

[tru_m.a.c]

In Indiana you can get full medical ,dental, vision for about $20 a month . If you don't have a job it's $1 a month .

for real????

Yes. It's called H.I.P and H.I.P 2.0

Healthy Indiana Plan .

My cousin got it for $24 for 2 years until his disability was approved.

I might be wrong about dental , but I'm positive about the health and vision .

@Rekkapryde yeah but that's their medicaid program. You don't want to qualify for that unless you have a disability.