115th Congress defunds ACA: Senate: 51-48 House:227-198; Executive Order signed 1/20

[winb83]

You know I've read about these delusional trump voters who didn't know ACA was Obamacare or that local Medicaid expansions were ACA.

Never thought I'd see them on this very site.

I colillumanati is one of these dude who goes around saying everyone is brainwashed by the way. Yet he is falling for the most ignorant demagoguery put out to purposely make these idiots think they are not benefiting from ACA.

@TheReal is another one of these clowns who said something like "I get insurance through my job I don't have aca" not realizing the employer mandate is probably allowing him to keep insurance from his job and ACA isn't something you "have "

If you have a decent job your insurance has little to do with the ACA. Decent jobs offered healthcare before the ACA. On the other hand your premiums rise because they always do as cost goes up. Cost went up before the ACA so it's not the cause of that happening.

 

[Dr. Acula]

If you have a decent job your insurance has little to do with the ACA. Decent jobs offered healthcare before the ACA. On the other hand your premiums rise because they always do as cost goes up. Cost went up before the ACA so it's not the cause of that happening.

I'm fully aware that insurance was offered by companies before ACA. I had it myself with a "good company".

However here are the individual issues.

-Before ACA health insurance was only really affordable if you got insurance through your job IF THEY DECIDE they want to provide it.
-Secondly, costs were increasing at a faster rate before ACA than under ACA. What this means is that employers if they DECIDE to drop health insurance coverage, which happened, because they didn't want to handle the costs they could and did. At my "good company" the benefits of their insurance was constantly being decreased year to year before ACA and also during ACA. So ACA didn't fully tackle this issue but it has been shown to slow the cost
-If you live in a state that did not decide to expand medicaid, you were probably those who saw your premiums increase significantly. These red state voters who are the maddest about ACA are mad because of the actions of their republican representatives and government.

The point is that the employer mandate at the minimum either requires your company to offer or keep you on some health insurance plan or pay a tax penalty. In addition, Tax credits were instituted to encourage employers to provide insurance which makes companies more likely to provide insurance.

Also as @TheReal was unaware of, ACA covers more than health insurance. This includes subsidies to hospitals, making sure insurance covers a series of services like mental health, pregnancy, etc.

 

[Dr. Acula]

aren't you canadian

 

[Bleed The Freak]

I'm fully aware that insurance was offered by companies before ACA. I had it myself with a "good company".

However here are the individual issues.

-Before ACA health insurance was only really affordable if you got insurance through your job IF THEY DECIDE they want to provide it.
-Secondly, costs were increasing at a faster rate before ACA than under ACA. What this means is that employers if they DECIDE to drop health insurance coverage, which happened, because they didn't want to handle the costs they could and did. At my "good company" the benefits of their insurance was constantly being decreased year to year before ACA and also during ACA. So ACA didn't fully tackle this issue but it has been shown to slow the cost
-If you live in a state that did not decide to expand medicaid, you were probably those who saw your premiums increase significantly. These red state voters who are the maddest about ACA are mad because of the actions of their republican representatives and government.

The point is that the employer mandate at the minimum either requires your company to offer or keep you on some health insurance plan or pay a tax penalty. In addition, Tax credits were instituted to encourage employers to provide insurance which makes companies more likely to provide insurance.

Also as @TheReal was unaware of, ACA covers more than health insurance. This includes subsidies to hospitals, making sure insurance covers a series of services like mental health, pregnancy, etc.

People who had jobs based insurance had the following restrictions:

Lifetime and yearly cap(s)
No free physical
Kids on policy until 26

People think job based coverage is required....companies did it to attract talent. And more companies droppes due to costs....it's nuts just cause you had job coverage ACA didn't affect you...if anything the ACA is great to move people off employee coverage....now you can start a business and have coverage

 

[Dr. Acula]

Kansas and NC are falling back because there is no longer a black democrat in the house they have to symbolic oppose to please their cac voters

Kansas Senate votes to expand Medicaid as Gov. Sam Brownback doubles down on opposition
Kansas Senate votes to expand Medicaid as Gov. Sam Brownback doubles down on opposition

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BY HUNTER WOODALL

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Kansas lawmakers ignored Gov. Sam Brownback’s wishes Monday and gave initial approval to a bill that would expand Medicaid to thousands in the state.

The Kansas Senate voted 25 to 13 to expand KanCare, the state’s privatized Medicaid program, after a lengthy debate Monday afternoon.

The Senate still needs to give final approval to the measure, which takes advantage of a key provision of Obamacare, in a vote that is expected to come Tuesday.

“I can’t believe it took this long to do it,” said Sen. John Doll, a Garden City Republican. “....This is something that’s long overdue.”

House Bill 2044 would expand health care coverage to an estimated 150,000 people in Kansas. Moderate Republicans and Democrats helped push the bill through the Legislature this session in a stark contrast from past years where expansion efforts failed to gain much traction in either chamber.

David Jordan, the executive director of the Alliance for a Healthy Kansas, one of the main advocacy groups pushing the bill, said he thinks the “level of support in both chambers reflects the fact that a majority of Kansans support expanding KanCare. … They understand what this means for keeping their local hospital open.”

Conservative Republicans tried repeatedly to change the Senate legislation before it came to a vote. All of those efforts failed, however, with moderate Republicans frequently siding with Senate Democrats in opposition to the changes.

“It’s very gratifying that people had the sense to see that we needed to not be distracted by the political games that are being played in Washington, D.C., and we needed to try to help our own people,” said Senate Minority Leader Anthony Hensley, a Topeka Democrat.

Opponents of the bill have spent much of the 2017 session downplaying the legislation’s chances because of uncertainty over how health care would change under President Donald Trump’s administration.

“We’re standing at an amusement park ride that’s closed,” said Sen. Ty Masterson, an Andover Republican who voted against expansion. “It’s broken. And we’re saying we want to go ahead and get on the ride. There’s a reason there’s nobody in line behind us.”

But the opponents’ argument faded slightly after U.S. House Speaker Paul Ryan, a Wisconsin Republican, canceled a vote on a bill that would have repealed the Affordable Care Act and effectively barred states from expanding Medicaid beyond March 1, due to a lack of GOP support.

The Affordable Care Act enabled states to expand Medicaid, which provides health coverage to the disabled and low-income families, to cover people who earn too little to buy insurance through the federal health care exchange but also earn too much to otherwise qualify for Medicaid.

“To expand Obamacare when the program is in a death spiral is not responsible policy,” Melika Willoughby, Brownback’s spokeswoman, said in a statement as the Senate kicked off debate on the bill.

Nineteen states, including Kansas and Missouri, have yet to expand the program. Based on Willoughby’s statement it appears unlikely that Brownback will allow it to become law.

“Kansas must prioritize the care and service of vulnerable Kansans, addressing their health care needs in a sustainable way, not expanding a failing entitlement program to able-bodied adults,” Willoughby said.

If Brownback vetoes the bill, it would take 84 votes in the House and 27 in the Senate to override his opposition.

Once he gets the bill, the governor has 10 days to either sign the bill, veto it, or let it become law without his signature.

Conservative lawmakers have said they hope that Brownback vetoes the bill, while moderates and Democrats fear he’ll do just that.

Rep. Dan Hawkins, a Wichita Republican who opposes expansion, said he can’t see Brownback letting the expansion happen under the bill’s provisions.

“If he holds to what he’s said in the past, I would say he’ll probably veto it,” Hawkins said.

Hunter Woodall: 785-354-1388, @HunterMw

Bryan Lowry: 816-234-4077, @BryanLowry3


Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/news/politics-government/article141118813.html#storylink=cpy

 

[Bleed The Freak]

Kansas and NC are falling back because there is no longer a black democrat in the house they have to symbolic oppose to please their cac voters

Kansas Senate votes to expand Medicaid as Gov. Sam Brownback doubles down on opposition
Kansas Senate votes to expand Medicaid as Gov. Sam Brownback doubles down on opposition

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BY HUNTER WOODALL

hwoodall@kcstar.com

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Kansas lawmakers ignored Gov. Sam Brownback’s wishes Monday and gave initial approval to a bill that would expand Medicaid to thousands in the state.

The Kansas Senate voted 25 to 13 to expand KanCare, the state’s privatized Medicaid program, after a lengthy debate Monday afternoon.

The Senate still needs to give final approval to the measure, which takes advantage of a key provision of Obamacare, in a vote that is expected to come Tuesday.

“I can’t believe it took this long to do it,” said Sen. John Doll, a Garden City Republican. “....This is something that’s long overdue.”

House Bill 2044 would expand health care coverage to an estimated 150,000 people in Kansas. Moderate Republicans and Democrats helped push the bill through the Legislature this session in a stark contrast from past years where expansion efforts failed to gain much traction in either chamber.

David Jordan, the executive director of the Alliance for a Healthy Kansas, one of the main advocacy groups pushing the bill, said he thinks the “level of support in both chambers reflects the fact that a majority of Kansans support expanding KanCare. … They understand what this means for keeping their local hospital open.”

Conservative Republicans tried repeatedly to change the Senate legislation before it came to a vote. All of those efforts failed, however, with moderate Republicans frequently siding with Senate Democrats in opposition to the changes.

“It’s very gratifying that people had the sense to see that we needed to not be distracted by the political games that are being played in Washington, D.C., and we needed to try to help our own people,” said Senate Minority Leader Anthony Hensley, a Topeka Democrat.

Opponents of the bill have spent much of the 2017 session downplaying the legislation’s chances because of uncertainty over how health care would change under President Donald Trump’s administration.

“We’re standing at an amusement park ride that’s closed,” said Sen. Ty Masterson, an Andover Republican who voted against expansion. “It’s broken. And we’re saying we want to go ahead and get on the ride. There’s a reason there’s nobody in line behind us.”

But the opponents’ argument faded slightly after U.S. House Speaker Paul Ryan, a Wisconsin Republican, canceled a vote on a bill that would have repealed the Affordable Care Act and effectively barred states from expanding Medicaid beyond March 1, due to a lack of GOP support.

The Affordable Care Act enabled states to expand Medicaid, which provides health coverage to the disabled and low-income families, to cover people who earn too little to buy insurance through the federal health care exchange but also earn too much to otherwise qualify for Medicaid.

“To expand Obamacare when the program is in a death spiral is not responsible policy,” Melika Willoughby, Brownback’s spokeswoman, said in a statement as the Senate kicked off debate on the bill.

Nineteen states, including Kansas and Missouri, have yet to expand the program. Based on Willoughby’s statement it appears unlikely that Brownback will allow it to become law.

“Kansas must prioritize the care and service of vulnerable Kansans, addressing their health care needs in a sustainable way, not expanding a failing entitlement program to able-bodied adults,” Willoughby said.

If Brownback vetoes the bill, it would take 84 votes in the House and 27 in the Senate to override his opposition.

Once he gets the bill, the governor has 10 days to either sign the bill, veto it, or let it become law without his signature.

Conservative lawmakers have said they hope that Brownback vetoes the bill, while moderates and Democrats fear he’ll do just that.

Rep. Dan Hawkins, a Wichita Republican who opposes expansion, said he can’t see Brownback letting the expansion happen under the bill’s provisions.

“If he holds to what he’s said in the past, I would say he’ll probably veto it,” Hawkins said.

Hunter Woodall: 785-354-1388, @HunterMw

Bryan Lowry: 816-234-4077, @BryanLowry3


Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/news/politics-government/article141118813.html#storylink=cpy

It may not be this week or month but they'll override this nikka veto...these dumbasses opened the door to universal health care.

 

[mastermind]

bringing this back up

 

[Leasy]

bringing this back up

The hell is wrong with that party I just don’t understand we definitely not a democracy anymore

 

[tru_m.a.c]

bringing this back up

*in the 43 states that do not prohibit or limit short-term plans

Wait til citizens in those 43 bytch at the democrats