11/23 PBC on FOX PPV | Wilder vs Ortiz II

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Wilder is continually tempting fate by taking fights with special shake'd up ass nikkas like Ortiz & Fury, who not only is he at stylistic disadvantages against both... but "they on that shyt" to paraphrase the great Roger Mayweather. AJ is a much easier fight than either. Having said that, and regardless of how easy the fight is, anybody with a lick of business acumen and common sense will understand why you don't jump on that weak ass DAZN deal. Because it is ultimately a business at the end of the day. When i 1st heard the offer a few months back, I was thinking Wilder should take it, all things considered, it would be the best deal available for Wilder, because he's not going to get that in his next 3 fights without Joshua. Lo and behold, Haymon gets Showtime to agree to almost match the DAZN deal, a deal which doesn't include the biggest fight in boxing, but is still able to muster up similar numbers? Interesting. That was a smart move a few months back for Wilder/Haymon to go public with the DAZN negotiations and force Showtimes hand...Wilder is gonna make about what he would've made for the biggest fight in boxing (had he accepted the DAZN deal) to fight Ortiz and a couple of no name fighters...and the asking price and demand of Wilder/Joshua goes up in the mean time. Haymon exposed how weak of a deal it was they were offered when Showtime can come close to matching it without having the prospect of the biggest fight in boxing included in the deal. It still is a gamble though, and Ortiz definitely has the ability to upset Wilder and that can throw off everything.
 
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H.I.M. said:
Wilder is continually tempting fate by taking fights with special shake'd up ass nikkas like Ortiz & Fury, who not only is he at stylistic disadvantages against both... but "they on that shyt" to paraphrase the great Roger Mayweather. AJ is a much easier fight than either. Having said that, and regardless of how easy the fight is, anybody with a lick of business acumen and common sense will understand why you don't jump on that weak ass DAZN deal. Because it is ultimately a business at the end of the day. When i 1st heard the offer a few months back, I was thinking Wilder should take it, all things considered, it would be the best deal available for Wilder, because he's not going to get that in his next 3 fights without Joshua. Lo and behold, Haymon gets Showtime to agree to almost match the DAZN deal, a deal which doesn't include the biggest fight in boxing, but is still able to muster up similar numbers? Interesting. That was a smart move a few months back for Wilder/Haymon to go public with the DAZN negotiations and force Showtimes hand...Wilder is gonna make about what he would've made for the biggest fight in boxing (had he accepted the DAZN deal) to fight Ortiz and a couple of no name fighters...and the asking price and demand of Wilder/Joshua goes up in the mean time. Haymon exposed how weak of a deal it was they were offered when Showtime can come close to matching it without having the prospect of the biggest fight in boxing included in the deal. It still is a gamble though, and Ortiz definitely has the ability to upset Wilder and that can throw off everything.
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They haven't come closet to match it, they paid 10 mills to Wilder for Ortiz, half as much as DAZN, that's not clomig close.
Wilder is just a gullible fool who believes to Haymon or whoever that he will earn Floyd kind of paydays if he doesn't accept a flat fee of 100-120 millions of 3-4 fight, including 2X40 for the 2 AJ fights
He isn't Floyd on any kind of ways... he doesn't have Floyd's talent for a start, he also doesn't have a media persona like Floyd did, he's trying very hard with this WWE shyt but it's only half working, and he's 34 already.

Joshua isn't an easier fight for him than Ortiz or Fury either. He had a hard time find Fury in the ring but Fury didn't go at him like that to KO him. Joshua would. Joshua is fundamentally solid, offensive minded, good at counterpunching, a lot younger than Ortiz and most importantly Wilder is not a match to him on the inside or in the pocket. If he doesn't KO Joshua inside of 2-3 rounds he's getting clobbered cause it's not super hard to either hit him or to push him back if someone is committed to do so. Wilder's defense is still largely contributes of putting his arms up in a half guard and hopping back in a straight line where he is in no position to counter. It's not like he doesn't score some nice counters every one in a while (Szpilka for example) but it's not that common and he looks bad on the backfoot. While Joshua can hang with him on the outside where he is at his best, he can't hang with Joshua where Joshua is at his best. AJ is a much better combination puncher and he punches with a better technique, especially no the inside, he is also the bigger, stronger man. I don't see what Wilder can do once AJ makes his way on the inside.
It would be like Froch vs Bute imo where Joshua is Froch.

If Joshua avoids to become too cautious (not reckless though) and strikes the right balance between being careful and bold he got this. He's not dumb though, he knows exactly what are his advantages, he gonna push Wilder, not just try to outbox him through 12.
 
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reservoirdogs said:
They haven't come closet to match it, they paid 10 mills to Wilder for Ortiz, half as much as DAZN, that's not clomig close.
Wilder is just a gullible fool who believes to Haymon or whoever that he will earn Floyd kind of paydays if he doesn't accept a flat fee of 100-120 millions of 3-4 fight, including 2X40 for the 2 AJ fights
He isn't Floyd on any kind of ways... he doesn't have Floyd's talent for a start, he also doesn't have a media persona like Floyd did, he's trying very hard with this WWE shyt but it's only half working, and he's 34 already.

Joshua isn't an easier fight for him than Ortiz or Fury either. He had a hard time find Fury in the ring but Fury didn't go at him like that to KO him. Joshua would. Joshua is fundamentally solid, offensive minded, good at counterpunching, a lot younger than Ortiz and most importantly Wilder is not a match to him on the inside or in the pocket. If he doesn't KO Joshua inside of 2-3 rounds he's getting clobbered cause it's not super hard to either hit him or to push him back if someone is committed to do so. Wilder's defense is still largely contributes of putting his arms up in a half guard and hopping back in a straight line where he is in no position to counter. It's not like he doesn't score some nice counters every one in a while (Szpilka for example) but it's not that common and he looks bad on the backfoot. While Joshua can hang with him on the outside where he is at his best, he can't hang with Joshua where Joshua is at his best. AJ is a much better combination puncher and he punches with a better technique, especially no the inside, he is also the bigger, stronger man. I don't see what Wilder can do once AJ makes his way on the inside.
It would be like Froch vs Bute imo where Joshua is Froch.

If Joshua avoids to become too cautious (not reckless though) and strikes the right balance between being careful and bold he got this. He's not dumb though, he knows exactly what are his advantages, he gonna push Wilder, not just try to outbox him through 12.
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LOL, if only Joshua had the confidence in himself that you have in him
 
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In one thread Haymon is a genius..in this..he's the devil because Joshua and Hearns were playing the yin yang game last winter and Wilder lost faith? You cant make this stuff up..lol.
 
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reservoirdogs said:
They haven't come closet to match it, they paid 10 mills to Wilder for Ortiz, half as much as DAZN, that's not clomig close.
Wilder is just a gullible fool who believes to Haymon or whoever that he will earn Floyd kind of paydays if he doesn't accept a flat fee of 100-120 millions of 3-4 fight, including 2X40 for the 2 AJ fights
He isn't Floyd on any kind of ways... he doesn't have Floyd's talent for a start, he also doesn't have a media persona like Floyd did, he's trying very hard with this WWE shyt but it's only half working, and he's 34 already.
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Are you talking about Breazeale?

WHO paid Deontay Wilder 10 Million? BombZquad Promotions? :patrice:

This post tells me you don't understand how the business of boxing works.

The network money given to the fighter/promoter (BombZquad Promotions) for TV rights is a separate issue than the fight night purse the fighter/promoter reports to the state athletic commission. Don't conflate the two.

Haymon has allowed Wilder to use his own promotional banner to cut out the middle man and deal with the networks directly. Haymon always allows fighters to finagle the system for their own financial benefit...that's why everybody fukks with him and remains loyal to him. As a boxer with any shred of common sense, you'd be a fool not to.

But you can believe the purses that BombZquad Promotions reports to the SAC if you want though.

And 40 Million a piece for two AJ fights is a good deal for Wilder? :jbhmm:

Just one year ago 15 Million was considered a fair purse for Wilder...but in the span of one year there's now a 60%+ increase in that offer. Interesting

While at the same time, Wilder will be making more per fight against mandatories and contenders than he would've made in the premier fight in the Heavyweight division just under a year ago.

So by next year I wonder what will be considered a fair purse for Wilder? :jbhmm:

Again, Showtime exposed what a weak offer it was for a fight of that caliber.





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Joshua isn't an easier fight for him than Ortiz or Fury either. He had a hard time find Fury in the ring but Fury didn't go at him like that to KO him. Joshua would. Joshua is fundamentally solid, offensive minded, good at counterpunching, a lot younger than Ortiz and most importantly Wilder is not a match to him on the inside or in the pocket. If he doesn't KO Joshua inside of 2-3 rounds he's getting clobbered cause it's not super hard to either hit him or to push him back if someone is committed to do so. Wilder's defense is still largely contributes of putting his arms up in a half guard and hopping back in a straight line where he is in no position to counter. It's not like he doesn't score some nice counters every one in a while (Szpilka for example) but it's not that common and he looks bad on the backfoot. While Joshua can hang with him on the outside where he is at his best, he can't hang with Joshua where Joshua is at his best. AJ is a much better combination puncher and he punches with a better technique, especially no the inside, he is also the bigger, stronger man. I don't see what Wilder can do once AJ makes his way on the inside.
It would be like Froch vs Bute imo where Joshua is Froch.

If Joshua avoids to become too cautious (not reckless though) and strikes the right balance between being careful and bold he got this. He's not dumb though, he knows exactly what are his advantages, he gonna push Wilder, not just try to outbox him through 12.
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Joshua has slow feet, subpar head movement (although improving fight to fight) and is not as fundamentally well rounded as Ortiz. A static target like Joshua is going to be far easier for Wilder to dictate range against to find with right hands than either Ortiz or Fury.
 
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H.I.M. said:
The network money given to the fighter/promoter (BombZquad Promotions) for TV rights is a separate issue than the fight night purse the fighter/promoter reports to the state athletic commission. Don't conflate the two.



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can you elaborate on this?
Are you saying Bombsquad promotions can monetize these fights somehow after the fact? Like how Beyonce released footage of her Coachella performance?
I could see the Brazeile knockout being showed online and espn i guess, not sure how he would make that into any worth paying for though.
I think the fighters being their own promoter thing is just a way for Haymon to say he ain't the promoter and the saved money is split between him and the fighters (like a traditional promoter/fighter relationship.....)
At the end of the day he still locked into a deal with Showtime, he still gotta give Haymon 30% or whatever it is. Does DAZN have restrictions on who your promoter can be or something?
 
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