reservoirdogs
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He grew considerably in the last c.a. 2 years but probably still not as much as they wanted. He is 34 soon too... which is not very old for a HW today but still at the ending quarter of his career probably.
11/23 PBC on FOX PPV | Wilder vs Ortiz II
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Cancelled my Showtime subscription back in the early Spring because I saw the writing on the wall...can’t be paying an extra $8 a month for little to no boxing, and i don’t watch any of their other programming. I just use my sister’s login on the app if and when I wanna watch anything (i.e. Wu-Tang docuseries).
I bought that Showtime subscription to watch boxing on there. But there hasn't been much boxing on there at all lately. PBC/FOX really need to chill with all the PPV events, most of these events would do good numbers on regular TV.
Props to Fox for all the work they’re putting in with the PBC studio show, having the boxers on the other FS1 sports shows, and posting clips on YouTube regularly. They’re invested.
bruh lsc is lost...why is he fighting on the co main against miguel fukking flores for a paper wba 130 belt 
LSC is somebody who ive talked about being an example of what i talked about pbc...that dude is lost
LSC is somebody who ive talked about being an example of what i talked about pbc...that dude is lost
BlackDiBiase
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they set the date i saw the press confrence. wilder is hilarious trying to come up with on the spot plato and socrates gems.
his actually brave for taking this ortiz rematch, with wilder due. lot of big hitters coming in the next 2 months.
his actually brave for taking this ortiz rematch, with wilder due. lot of big hitters coming in the next 2 months.
Dushane Hill
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Whats wilder gonna make from this fight?
I'm sorry but whoever makes decisions for him is a fukking idiot. Imagining turning down $120M for a fight that not even his own network would pick up.
He would have $120M guaranteed and be the undisputed champion of the world. It's actually mind boggling when you think about it.
I'm sorry but whoever makes decisions for him is a fukking idiot. Imagining turning down $120M for a fight that not even his own network would pick up.
He would have $120M guaranteed and be the undisputed champion of the world. It's actually mind boggling when you think about it.
Him and his team didn't have the courage to do it. He's cherry picked opponents his whole career. His 1 so called decent win was against an older Ortiz who he's now deciding to rematch when he's even older after he's already knocked him out. Instead of actually taking 120 mil and trying to become undisputed, it's a disgrace. He's an entertaining fighter but he's built up a fraudulent record because he's not challenged himself. He's delusional and a hypocrite. He's had 42 fights and is nearly 34, the level of competition he's faced overall is embarrassing and shameful. The sad part is he has the potential to have proved himself and be great but he didn't challenge himself. He ducked Wlad, ducked AJ before he lost and most people thought he got beat by a Fury coming off a lay off who wasn't in optimum shape at all. He could have been undisputed by now and the biggest star in boxing but he's gone the corwardly route. He hasn't acted like a champion, he makes excuses to not fight top contenders or looks to get them while they are vulnerable and a lot of fans see right through it.
Aw shyt here comes Wilder's renegade advisors and accountants ready to parrot Hearn's talking points like it's gospel.
Outside of the headlines, don't nobody know shyt except for Wilder and his team. Furthermore, it has been widely reported that the $120 million offered by Dazn was for a multi-fight contract.
So the deal for TWO Joshua fights plus two OTHER fights would've been worth $120 million. Only morons get caught up by the $20 million guarantee Wilder was offered for Breazeale, because $80 million for the largest fight - PLUS THE REMATCH - in combat sports is a clear low ball. Especially when Wilder would've essentially been putting the fledgling streaming network on his back.
We've now seen how poorly Ruiz is getting treated by Hearn, particularly when it comes to splits. For the rematch, he won't even touch $10 million despite an exorbitant site fee being paid by the Saudis. Who knows what would've happened to Wilder.
Finkel has also stated that Wilder was in the midst of negotiating a deal with Showtime for less fights and similar money as the Dazn deal:
So how exactly is he ducking? What money did he turn down to duck?
Also shyt on his resume all you want. Fury has the best win against Klitschko, Joshua beat Parker, Wilder beat Ortiz. None of these guys have much to hold over another, and only 1 has a knock out loss in his US debut.
Outside of the headlines, don't nobody know shyt except for Wilder and his team. Furthermore, it has been widely reported that the $120 million offered by Dazn was for a multi-fight contract.
So the deal for TWO Joshua fights plus two OTHER fights would've been worth $120 million. Only morons get caught up by the $20 million guarantee Wilder was offered for Breazeale, because $80 million for the largest fight - PLUS THE REMATCH - in combat sports is a clear low ball. Especially when Wilder would've essentially been putting the fledgling streaming network on his back.
We've now seen how poorly Ruiz is getting treated by Hearn, particularly when it comes to splits. For the rematch, he won't even touch $10 million despite an exorbitant site fee being paid by the Saudis. Who knows what would've happened to Wilder.
Finkel has also stated that Wilder was in the midst of negotiating a deal with Showtime for less fights and similar money as the Dazn deal:
So how exactly is he ducking? What money did he turn down to duck?
Also shyt on his resume all you want. Fury has the best win against Klitschko, Joshua beat Parker, Wilder beat Ortiz. None of these guys have much to hold over another, and only 1 has a knock out loss in his US debut.
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Aw shyt here comes Wilder's renegade advisors and accountants ready to parrot Hearn's talking points like it's gospel.
Outside of the headlines, don't nobody know shyt except for Wilder and his team. Furthermore, it has been widely reported that the $120 million offered by Dazn was for a multi-fight contract.
So the deal for TWO Joshua fights plus two OTHER fights would've been worth $120 million. Only morons get caught up by the $20 million guarantee Wilder was offered for Breazeale, because $80 million for the largest fight - PLUS THE REMATCH - in combat sports is a clear low ball. Especially when Wilder would've essentially been putting the fledgling streaming network on his back.
We've now seen how poorly Ruiz is getting treated by Hearn, particularly when it comes to splits. For the rematch, he won't even touch $10 million despite an exorbitant site fee being paid by the Saudis. Who knows what would've happened to Wilder.
Finkel has also stated that Wilder was in the midst of negotiating a deal with Showtime for less fights and similar money as the Dazn deal:
So how exactly is he ducking? What money did he turn down to duck?
Also shyt on his resume all you want. Fury has the best win against Klitschko, Joshua beat Parker, Wilder beat Ortiz. None of these guys have much to hold over another, and only 1 has a knock out loss in his US debut.
It was for a multi fight contract, it was 20 mil for Breazeale and 100 mil for the 2 AJ fights. 20 mil was a lot more than he ended up making for the Brezeale fight and he knocked him out in first round, he would have made 20 mill in 1 round and be part of 2 of the biggest fights in boxing next with the chance to become undisputed champion. The thing you said about 2 other fights isn't true, it was exactly what I mentioned.
He turned down 120 mil and the chance to fight AJ to become undisputed when he was undefeated. He also turned the fight down on multiple occasions, also wouldn't fight Wlad when they were both active in the division for years together, Shelly said he was just a baby when he was a grown man.
AJ in just 23 pro fights has fought way better opposition than Wilder overall, he's had wins over Wlad, Parker, Povetkin, Whyte and Takam. Fury also has better a win on his record in Wlad but his resume isn't amazing either, Chisora is a good name on it too. But AJ has regularly for years now been fighting good opposition and highly ranked contenders. Wilder's only decent win was against an older Ortiz, but will give him that 1 because he was still a good fighter, but now he's facing an even older Ortiz again who he's already knocked out, terrible. 41 fights and 1 decent win is an awful record.
$20 mil for the Breazeale fight and then what? Sitting on the shelf because Joshua has to fight in Saudi Arabia just to get his belts back?
The issue is that Dazn and Hearn weren't just trying to negotiate the Joshua fight, they wanted full control over 4 fights. Imagine Mayweather taking a similar offer from Top Rank for Pacquiao; past a certain point, it doesn't make sense to do that. Wilder Joshua was the largest fight to be made, it made no sense for Wilder to fall into Dazn and Hearn's coercion.
On their opposition:
Charles Martin, and Parker both were heavily targeted by Wilder. Ultimately money decided Martin's fate, and Parker picked Joshua because he figured Wilder to be the harder fight.
Wilder was on his way to Russia before Povetkin pissed dirty, and Whyte seemed like he would be the mandatory before he also pissed dirty.
It's not like Wilder hasn't tried to make fights, and it's not exactly like this era of heavies is filled with world beaters. The fact that you run with that narrative tells me you are just seeking to dishonestly diminish and discredit Wilder's career. I truly don't see how you can pin the failure to make the Joshua fight solely on Wilder either. Real stan shyt.
The offer was 20 mil for Breazeale then 100 mill for the 2 AJ fights, the offer was way before the AJ loss, before that they'd also made offers.
I'm not sure what you mean about 4 fights, the offer was the 3 fights mentioned, have heard it confirmed by both sides. Wilder wouldn't have been tied to DAZN long term, he would have made big money for Breazeale who he was always going to beat comfortably and then the 2 AJ fights, then after that he could have done what he wanted, whether it was Showtime, Fox or at that point become DAZN's biggest star. It made perfect sense to do it, he could have had the biggest fight at that time in boxing, 1 of the biggest fights in boxing history when they were both undefeated and he could have won and become champion. He would have also got 120 mil towards that generational wealth he always talks about, he would have made more in that 1 deal than he has his entire career.
Whatever happened Wilder didn't fight them and didn't unify, he didn't fight Wlad when they were champions for ages together and nor the other champions later. AJ is the 1 who actually had unification bouts. Wilder has never had 1 in his whole career.
Wilder could have fought Whyte way before that, he was offered 12 million to fight Whyte prior and he rejected that too.
If Wilder had been bold he could have been unified or undisputed champion ages ago.
I don't believe he tried to make the fights, he seemed to want no parts of Wlad when he was champ, his management said he didn't want to unify the belts too. And ultimately no unification fights were ever made, it's easy to say anything but actions are the only thing that matters, AJ ended up actively pursuing the belts and the champions, he went and actually fought Parker for a belt, fought Wlad, fought Martin, he did all the work in the situation and then he made numerous career high payday offers to Wilder which Wilder didn't sign the contract on any occasion so the fights never happened. I respect AJ, win, lose or draw because he wasn't afraid to fight anybody, which are the makings of a true champion, he was willing to take risks and fight other champions, he has numerous good wins on his record, Wilder has 1 decent win with Ortiz and should be a loss to an out of shape Fury coming off a long lay off. Wilder has talent and I'd even go as far to say he's great but I don't think over his career he's shown the courage of a true champion, he's seemed to want to cherry pick people when he believes they are vulnerable, all the while talking a big game, which seems disingenuous. His record is shocking for how many fights he's had and his age. Just seen the last bit you said, I don't stan anybody, I'm completely objective about any fighter, I don't have no allegiance to any of them, facts are Wilder rejected 120 mil deal for the fight which is more than his whole entire career earnings. He rejected multiple career high offers and his record is terrible for a champion. He talks a big game but he hasn't backed it up. Never been in a unification fight and rejected huge offers for those fights. And there's a bunch of credible fighters he could have fought and could fight now but instead he's rematching an aging Ortiz who he's already knocked out. He doesn't challenge himself, he cherry picks, talks a big game then ducks real competition until he senses vulnerability.
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This the man so eager to fight Wilder huh
Yet every time the fight gets brought up it always excuses for Joshua
Oh Joshua is the draw, it needs to be in Wembley, he can't fight in the US.
Oh Wilder ain't a draw give him a flat fee.
Oh it's okay if Joshua doesn't disclose what he's guaranteed to make; Wilder doesn't need this info and should accept the contract with asymmetrical information.
Oh Wilder needs to go to Dazn.
Etc.
Finkel has stated that Showtime was negotiating a deal with Wilder that would see him get paid a similar figures to the Dazn deal WITHOUT the Joshua fights.
So why couldn't Hearn, Dazn, and Joshua just offer a contract for the Joshua fight? Why did Wilder have to take a 3 or 4 fight contract when the negotiations consistently sought to undercut him?
On the contract length:
I don't know what to tell you. It's clear that there were numerous sides looking to maximize their cut, yet you continually try to shyt on Wilder like he's the sole reason the fight didn't get made. Like Canelo Golovkin; Hurd Charlo; Mayweather Pacquiao; Joshua Wilder was the fight to make and the promoters were trying to maximize the profits, it's too bad it blew up in their face.
Also, it's no secret Deontay started boxing late and needed every damn fight to become the limited fighter he is today. It doesn't matter if he's 34 with 42 fights, he was a raw talent developing in the pros. Not everyone is going to challenge for a belt in their second pro fight. There's definitely a lot of valid criticisms that should be made about Wilder, but to harp on the number of bouts he's had is a weird one, particularly in the heavyweight division where good names are scarce enough as it is.
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No more PAWGs, PLEASE??!!!??
You two going back and forth over a fight that didn't happen.
If Wilder wins against Ortiz (most likely) then he has Tyson Fury. A fight that should've happened this year.
Next fight should be the winner of Joshua/Ruiz. But looking at the scheduling I think that won't happen.
If Wilder wins against Ortiz (most likely) then he has Tyson Fury. A fight that should've happened this year.
Next fight should be the winner of Joshua/Ruiz. But looking at the scheduling I think that won't happen.
reservoirdogs
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Wilder beats Ortiz loses to Fury.
Has a chance to beat Fury but also has a chance to get stopped by Ortiz.
A HW with solid headmovement, good pressure and some toughness would get Wilder out there pretty quick imo cause he can't fight for shyt in the pocket but there aren't many of those HWs in today's HW divison so he will have that chance to land his right hand.
Has a chance to beat Fury but also has a chance to get stopped by Ortiz.
A HW with solid headmovement, good pressure and some toughness would get Wilder out there pretty quick imo cause he can't fight for shyt in the pocket but there aren't many of those HWs in today's HW divison so he will have that chance to land his right hand.
Lowkey they were better off trying to sell us Wilder vs Kownacki. I'd actually look forward to that a bit.
Good ass fight