Marlostanfield.
High On That Ray Charles
I think this show's how the gm and coach are inexperienced at their job and have a lot to learn. They cave in to the pressure. A real sgaff would of let this play out and see what they have in Geno
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I think this show's how the gm and coach are inexperienced at their job and have a lot to learn. They cave in to the pressure. A real sgaff would of let this play out and see what they have in Geno
I'm fukkin with u breh. We probably the same age.
Marlostanfield.
High On That Ray Charles
We can't go with stats say because it doesn't tell the whole picture. Our offense could of been so much better last year. Fitz can't throw it pass 20 yards and teams said stop ivory and double marshal and you shut this offense down. Fitz hurts the offense
I'm not sure he can, but still this. One of the new guys. Anybody, really. lol We know Fitz isn't the answer.
NYC Rebel
...on the otherside of the pond
Petty is most likely to be cut. He's the biggest qb project in the roster, moreso than Hackenberg.
And yes...it is accurate to say he's an unknown prize when
1. He shouldn't have played his first year, only doing so because of idiot coach putting Sanchez in 4th quarter of pre season game where he got injured and ended his season.
2. Threw mostly to skill position players (Nelson, Gates, Hill, Salas, Holmes, Winslow Jr, Hakeem) who are no longer in the league.
You're stat whoring. I will debate you on that. Those things make it accurate that he is an unknown.
If not accurate, spell out how one becomes known in those settings. I'm all ears
Box Factory
hater
I made it pretty clear in my following posts that I understand why ppl would rather roll with Geno than someone like Fitz. I get that there is excuses for his extremely sub par play, and I said that it's more situation than anything why I can't imagine it working ot with the jets. The whole Geno deal is a mess there.
But at the end of the day, he's about to he 26 has been injury and extremely turnover prone. Hes played 2 full seasons worth of games in his career and has what 2 games that suggest he might not be terrible? Throw in the getting punched out part and it's easy to see why someone could understand how ppl are ready to move on from him.
NYC Rebel
...on the otherside of the pond
That's the thing....you're quickly framing
"Excuses"
No....it isn't an excuse that coming out of a spread no progression offense that he shouldn't have played his first year. That's not a "Geno only" argument. That's for any qb coming out of that situation. You disagree?
if so...why?The results (turnovers) are a result of being thrown in too soon (not Geno only argument) as well as not having a vet qb on the roster to learn from.
Not an excuse
Second, his skill position players were worse in year two yet he played better
Not an "excuse"
Second....hes not injury prone. Where are getting that from?
Third, he's the second youngest qb on the roster. You made 26 seem like a lost cause.
I'm going to ask you to ansee....what should a qb result be throwing to the names I mentioned."?
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Box Factory
hater
I'm not saying they should cut him I'm saying he's the least likely to stick around .
Yes he is injury prone.been injured every year.
So unless someone has top flight weapons they can't be judged on their play.
I've seen you post about Geno before and know you get super emotional and ride real hard for him .
I know this is pointless to try and convince you but at the end of the day he's a guy entering his late 20s who has only been terrible.
And I don't care about the age of the other QBs are. I would take Geno over Hack and Petty regardless of age. I was just saying if you take a step back and look at the big picture he's obviously not going to be around past this season. I explained that pretty well in my posts but you got too emotional after that first one to read the rest
NYC Rebel
...on the otherside of the pond
Lie. Geno has never missed a game due to injury and is actually tough.
Who said that simpleton rubbish besides you? We are talking about a young qb (not Geno only) put in a situation where
1. came out of a no progression spread offense (Not Geno only)
2. forced to start (Not Geno's responsibility)
3. throwing to poor skill position players (Not Geno's responsibility)
All that equals
Turnovers and poor play
What I need you to do is show me how:
1. came out of a no progression spread offense (Geno only)
2. forced to start (Geno's responsibility)
3. throwing to poor skill position players (Geno's responsibility)
like actually deconstruct my point.
Thanks
See...this is where we aren't debating. This is you judging, erroneously at that, ABOUT me.
He's the 5th youngest qb in the league you've made old.
"I don't care" is trash. You just can't debate. You say I'm emotional when you're the one saying "I observed you in the past" and carrying some non football baggage about me while playing dr. Melphi gauging MY emotional state.
Beat it....and let me know when you're ready to talk football and not faux psychology.
You dudes argue...yall don't debate.
My point about Geno isn't a Geno only point. NO young qb coming out of a spread should be put in that situation:
Situation being:
1. came out of a no progression spread offense (Not Geno only)
2. forced to start (Not Geno's responsibility)
3. throwing to poor skill position players (Not Geno's responsibility)
Yet you make the end result of his play his responsibility.
No....
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Honestly though this debate is now silly.
Unless fitz gets injured geno will never play a meaningful snap again for the Jets. And that's the only reason he won't be cut. In case of injury. Petty will probably be cut if he doesn't impress in preseason.
We can start 0-4 and they still won't put geno in.
The front office has firmly made fitz their guy.
Theirs no point in rehashing the arguments anymore. None of us will know if geno could be better because he won't get the chance.
Hack is our qb of the future now for better or worse. I'm excited to see the kid play and hope for the best.
I just know I will not watch a team with fitz as the qb.
Unless fitz gets injured geno will never play a meaningful snap again for the Jets. And that's the only reason he won't be cut. In case of injury. Petty will probably be cut if he doesn't impress in preseason.
We can start 0-4 and they still won't put geno in.
The front office has firmly made fitz their guy.
Theirs no point in rehashing the arguments anymore. None of us will know if geno could be better because he won't get the chance.
Hack is our qb of the future now for better or worse. I'm excited to see the kid play and hope for the best.
I just know I will not watch a team with fitz as the qb.
NYC Rebel
...on the otherside of the pond
My point is, dudes can't debate acting as if Geno or any young qb put in his situation had a playing field to prove their worth.
It isn't. No team should ever put a young QB in Geno's position as a Jet. It speaks to how poor our management was, but dudes transform these statements as riding for Geno or a Geno only thing.
Dudes are dumb.....
Oh agreed.
EVERYBODY that saw geno in preseason his rookie year knew that dude was not ready to start.
When sanchez got hurt they should have signed a vet off the street.
That whole season was a purge and rebuild.year anyway it made no sense to throw geno to the wolves with no help
storyteller
Veteran
That's fair, the way I view it is with the closing window it'd be difficult to move forward with just Geno on the roster because he's unknown. If he flopped, the locker room would explode because they wanted Fitz and believe in him. That alone is reason to bring Fitz back and give him the edge. He'll face tough competition early, the schedule is rough and if it looks like we're out of the playoffs or he is who everyone thinks (knows?) he is then Geno will get his shot by midseason imo. But I think we HAD to bring Fitz back because a revolt might happen if Geno sucked and the team would completely crash and burn if Geno got hurt with Petty or Hack as the back-up.
The jets went 10-6 last year with a ton of new players (and a new coach). Fitz had 33 touchdowns to 15 pics. I realize he is a "known" entity, but you want to run this highly talented team with geno and a mediocre college qb? Brady is out 4 games, just pay up for a year and make a run at it. They Giants won a damn super bowl when the went 9-7.
Box Factory
hater
Lie. Geno has never missed a game due to injury and is actually tough.
I'm assuming you are not counting last years KO with this and I just looked back and he came back from his injuries early so I'll concede this
Who said that simpleton rubbish besides you?
You, repeatedly
We are talking about a young qb (not Geno only) put in a situation where
1. came out of a no progression spread offense (Not Geno only)
2. forced to start (Not Geno's responsibility)
3. throwing to poor skill position players (Not Geno's responsibility)
All that equals
Turnovers and poor play
I agree that these things helped Geno become the poor QB he's been in the NFL, great point
What I need you to do is show me how:
1. came out of a no progression spread offense (Geno only)
2. forced to start (Geno's responsibility)
3. throwing to poor skill position players (Geno's responsibility)
like actually deconstruct my point.
All of these are just reasons that add into why Geno hasn't been good, what's there to argue? Show me what suggests he's still this hot prospect you seem to believe he is.
Plenty of young QBs have had trash weapons and been no where near as unsuccessful at being a good football player as Geno. I watched Mcnabb's whole career, skill still shines through with no weapons around.
Thanks
See...this is where we aren't debating. This is you judging, erroneously at that, ABOUT me.
You have a history of it, it's just me recognising your bias on the subject. I know you aren't going to change your mind
He's the 5th youngest qb in the league
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Bortles, Blake Jacksonville Jaguars
Bray, Tyler Kansas City Chiefs
Bridgewater, Teddy Minnesota Vikings
Carr, Derek Oakland Raiders
Cook, Connor Oakland Raiders
This is just me looking at a list of quarterbacks in the NFL, I found six by the C section with only clicking names i recognized. Unless you mean 5th youngest starting QB, which also isn't true because 1) he's not a starter and 2) I see 3 names up there that start, and i can think of 3 more off the top off my head, so yeah
you've made old.
I didn't make him old, the original point I made is that he's not some young unknown prospect, he's about to be a 26 year old going into his 4th season with 31 games played. Again, show me what points to him being this exciting young prospect
"I don't care" is trash. You just can't debate. You say I'm emotional when you're the one saying "I observed you in the past" and carrying some non football baggage about me while playing dr. Melphi gauging MY emotional state.
You always cape for Geno and never concede he's been bad and not really shown anything worth being excited about. You're bias on the subject, why would i ignore that?
Beat it....and let me know when you're ready to talk football and not faux psychology.
You dudes argue...yall don't debate.