I think portraying Geno's career arc to date as being borderline tragic is a bit dramatic. There are plenty of second round picks who never got big opportunities surrounded by adequate weapons etc. If the organization feels Geno's best place is as a backup then so be it.
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NYC Rebel
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Box Factory said:
I would never say "So unless someone has top flight weapons they can't be judged on their play."
I'm not that simple. That's YOU.
I would factor in the following:
1. Coaching
2. Youth of the player.
ALONG with skill position players.
You're the "So unless someone has top flight weapons they can't be judged on their play" simpleton guy. Not me.
Answer this....wouldn't that hurt ANY young QB, or only Geno?
I'm arguing if its Geno's fault. You argue that the end result is Geno's fault. I'm saying it isn't based on the things outside of his control.
Show me where I said he's a "hot prospect. My point has always been (being my own spokesman)
He's never had a chance to show if he's a hot prospect. You say he had a chance. I say he didn't based on the above.
Geno was NEVER as good as McNabb.
Whos is stupid enough to put:
Geno vs. McNabb
besides you?
Second......Geno NEVER had a good offensive coach as good as Andy Reid
Why are you skipping that?
Age thing...I thought he was the 5th youngest now. He was the 3rd youngest in the league last season.
NYC Rebel
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It's a weapon only argument being made here, or did you conveniently skip the part where
1. he shouldn't have played his first year
2. played in a spread offense and needed to adjust
It's not a "geno only" argument. It isnt' "dramatic" or whatever emotionally clad garb you dudes that can't debate dress things in with your lazy responses.
I don't know of a single young qb who would thrive or show promise under those Jets 2013 & 2014 circumstances. But you guys seem to think yall do, dumbing down the game to your argument of "weapons" when it is obviously bigger than that.
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It's a weapon only argument being made here, or did you conveniently skip the part where
1. he shouldn't have played his first year
2. played in a spread offense and needed to adjust
It's not a "geno only" argument. It isnt' "dramatic" or whatever emotionally clad garb you dudes that can't debate dress things in with your lazy responses.
I don't know of a single young qb who would thrive or show promise under those Jets 2013 & 2014 circumstances. But you guys seem to think yall do, dumbing down the game to "weapons."
How does any of this lead to him being the starter now? Unless you feel the coaching staff is incompetent.
NYC Rebel
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Nope...don't move the goal post.
Answer my question if this is a "weapons only" issue. You dudes base things on who you like. I don't care who the athlete...I will defend any player if conditions around them hurts their possibilities.
I think you're overanalyzing his situation bc you personally like the guy. His conditions were what they were, certainly not good...but it still doesnt guarantee him anything moving forward. It's not like he was a top 5 pick or they owed him a shyt ton of money. Teams move on from players faster now bc of the rookie contracts.
NYC Rebel
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I don't know if he's good. this isn't a "like" thing. This is a fearful that we could possibly let go a player that could be good down the road for another team because of the things you say I'm "overanalyzing."
Who doesn't analyze those things about their team? Oh.....when it comes to a guy they "dont like.'
I do that for ANY player in a shytty position, not who I like. You analyze those things based on who YOU like. All players are worthy of my type of analysis when following sports.
It's over analyzing things to say a player shouldn't be rushed on the field? That at a minimum he needs good skill position players and coaching to help him along?
THAT'S what you're calling over analyzing?
Yes or no?
Box Factory
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I would never say "So unless someone has top flight weapons they can't be judged on their play."
I'm not that simple. That's YOU.
I would factor in the following:
1. Coaching
2. Youth of the player.
ALONG with skill position players.
You're the "So unless someone has top flight weapons they can't be judged on their play" simpleton guy. Not me.
It's literally exactly what you're doing but ok
Answer this....wouldn't that hurt ANY young QB, or only Geno?
Yeah it definitely wouldn't help but in the end these are just the things that helped Geno become the poor finished product that he is.
I'm arguing if its Geno's fault. You argue that the end result is Geno's fault. I'm saying it isn't based on the things outside of his control.
I'm arguing that Geno is a known commodity, and not a valuable one. You're trying to frame my argument into something else to be able to repeat your Geno talking points
Show me where I said he's a "hot prospect. "
You quoted me saying he isn't some "unknown product" and disagreed, that's how the whole discussion started
My point has always been (being my own spokesman)
He's never had a chance to show if he's a hot prospect. You say he had a chance. I say he didn't based on the above.
Again, you're just using excuses to explain what helped him become the poor finished product that he is. Show me the evidence of his unknown promise
Geno was NEVER as good as McNabb.
Whos is stupid enough to put:
Geno vs. McNabb
besides you?
The point was that talented QBs show they're talented regardless of who is around. Geno hasn't done this outside of 1 or (being generous) 2 of his 31 games.
Second......Geno NEVER had a good offensive coach as good as Andy Reid
Reid wasn't some sort of Offensive whiz. He was a very basic guy who was very predictable, and terrible with clock managment and play selection.
Why are you skipping that?
Age thing...I thought he was the 5th youngest now.
You were spectacularly wrong
He was the 3rd youngest in the league last season.
No he wasn't
yseJ
Empire strikes back
Just want to say that while Andy Reid is sucky with clock management and sometimes has bad play selection, his play design is absolutely excellent and is one of the very best in the league, if not the best.
King P
Legends Never Die
Going to other boards and seeing Jets fans bash Geno both professionally and personally makes me sick.
1 poster called Geno AIDS and Cancer all rolled up in 1. Said posters only wanted to see Geno start because of affirmative action.
Sick of these racist Jet fans. I hope Geno goes elsewhere and does well, stick it to all these CACs :yawkyawk:
1 poster called Geno AIDS and Cancer all rolled up in 1. Said posters only wanted to see Geno start because of affirmative action.
Sick of these racist Jet fans. I hope Geno goes elsewhere and does well, stick it to all these CACs :yawkyawk:
I don't know if he's good. this isn't a "like" thing. This is a fearful that we could possibly let go a player that could be good down the road for another team because of the things you say I'm "overanalyzing."
Who doesn't analyze those things about their team? Oh.....when it comes to a guy they "dont like.'
I do that for ANY player in a shytty position, not who I like. You analyze those things based on who YOU like. All players are worthy of my type of analysis when following sports.
It's over analyzing things to say a player shouldn't be rushed on the field? That at a minimum he needs good skill position players and coaching to help him along?
THAT'S what you're calling over analyzing?
Yes or no?
Yes it is at this point because the team has moved on while you're still stuck on 2013-2014. Spending this much effort on Geno Smith is getting ridiculous. Shall we go back and analyze Kellen Clemens situation? Perhaps Browning Nagle...? I dont recall either second round pick getting this much time into why it went wrong.
NYC Rebel
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You made that your point from jump, ignoring those factors from day 1.
Now you're saying those factors count but not at this point.
Smh......
NYC Rebel
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Dude actually believes the Jets had a coach at the level of Andy Reid in 2013 and 2014
Dudes post stuff to win arguments at all costs.
IF the Jets have moved on from Geno and they know what he is,why havent they cut him ?
I was going to say i dont understand why they want Fitzpatrick back...you won 10 games and he played as well as he can and it wasnt good enough to make the playoffs and he was horrible when it counted most...
After how last season ended,i would have just given Geno a shot this year to start and see what he can do...and then make the decision after the season to cut him or keep him...
They finally have some weapons and arent willing to see what he can do with them,when the flipside has shown not only in NY but in Buffalo Fitz will only get you so far with those same weapons (no playoffs)
I think its bad decision making.
I was going to say i dont understand why they want Fitzpatrick back...you won 10 games and he played as well as he can and it wasnt good enough to make the playoffs and he was horrible when it counted most...
After how last season ended,i would have just given Geno a shot this year to start and see what he can do...and then make the decision after the season to cut him or keep him...
They finally have some weapons and arent willing to see what he can do with them,when the flipside has shown not only in NY but in Buffalo Fitz will only get you so far with those same weapons (no playoffs)
I think its bad decision making.