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I have no problem with two people agreeing to abstain from sex until marriage, BUT.....

I don't think it is right nor fair for someone who wants to abstain to expect his or her partner who does not want to abstain to do it.

Next, abstaining does not guarantee healthy communication between two people. I do not and will not cosign that shyt!

But, if a couple does agree to abstain, then they need to also abstain from any form of foreplay! No dry humping, no deep and prolonged tongue kissing, no oral sex, no marathon spooning, etc. Nothing should be done thst may cause arousal.

Lastly, any woman who come at me with some "born again" virgin shyt will immediately get charged to the game! Been there, done that!
 

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Next, abstaining does not guarantee healthy communication between two people. I do not and will not
I agree but sex can cause you to overlook certain things in a relationship. Red flags, quirks, bad financial habits etc. It can be a distraction or a way to avoid necessary conversations.
 

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I agree but sex can cause you to overlook certain things in a relationship. Red flags, quirks, bad financial habits etc. It can be a distraction or a way to avoid necessary conversations.

Not having sex could cause the same issues. A healthy relationship is established when both people establishes a solid communication base from day one.

Let me ask you...

What happens when a couple abstain before marriage, get married, then one or the other partner decides that he or she does not want to have sex. Then what?

Sex should never be the end all be all in a relationship, but a sexless relationship is an unbalanced relationship. A relationship that is solely based on sex is also an unbalanced relationship.

Lastly, a celibate couple dating may not get married. So, how long is a couple supposed to date before getting married? What happens during the course of a relationship, if one person decides that he or she does not want to marry the other person. Then what?

My point is that I believe that two people need to be on the same page regsrding intimacy. I don't like sex being bartered. If two consenting adults want to have sex and want a healthy lasting relationship, then that can be achieved. If a celibate couple want to be on some I Love Lucy shyt and focus on establishing a healthy lasting relationship their way, then that can be achieved as well.

I need intimacy, both physical and verbal. I want and need a balanced relationship. Otherwise, I am better off single.
 

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If you're not a virgin I don't think you have any right to ask your partner to abstain until marriage or expect them to be a virgin themselves :manny: Be consistent!
 

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Not having sex could cause the same issues. A healthy relationship is established when both people establishes a solid communication base from day one.

Let me ask you...

What happens when a couple abstain before marriage, get married, then one or the other partner decides that he or she does not want to have sex. Then what?

Sex should never be the end all be all in a relationship, but a sexless relationship is an unbalanced relationship. A relationship that is solely based on sex is also an unbalanced relationship.

Lastly, a celibate couple dating may not get married. So, how long is a couple supposed to date before getting married? What happens during the course of a relationship, if one person decides that he or she does not want to marry the other person. Then what?

My point is that I believe that two people need to be on the same page regsrding intimacy. I don't like sex being bartered. If two consenting adults want to have sex and want a healthy lasting relationship, then that can be achieved. If a celibate couple want to be on some I Love Lucy shyt and focus on establishing a healthy lasting relationship their way, then that can be achieved as well.

I need intimacy, both physical and verbal. I want and need a balanced relationship. Otherwise, I am better off single.


What happens when a couple abstain before marriage, get married, then one or the other partner decides that he or she does not want to have sex. Then what? You said it best, a healthy relationship is established when both people establishes a solid communication base from day one. Communicate and find out what the issue is. Stress, health, lost attractions whatever lol.

Lastly, a celibate couple dating may not get married. So, how long is a couple supposed to date before getting married? What happens during the course of a relationship, if one person decides that he or she does not want to marry the other person. Then what? According to the list the break up would be easier because they abstained from sex. Therefore they did not succumb to the illusion of intimacy sex can bring. Sex does not equal love or intimacy but it can cause bonds to be formed. Whether these bonds are beneficial or toxic depends on the individuals involved and the situation. Sex can be mechanical, sex can be primal and sex can be compartmentalized. That's why I feel when it comes to long term relationships you should always be friends first. Pepole have a tendency to confuse lust for love nowadays.
 

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What happens when a couple abstain before marriage, get married, then one or the other partner decides that he or she does not want to have sex. Then what? You said it best, a healthy relationship is established when both people establishes a solid communication base from day one. Communicate and find out what the issue is. Stress, health, lost attractions whatever lol.

Lastly, a celibate couple dating may not get married. So, how long is a couple supposed to date before getting married? What happens during the course of a relationship, if one person decides that he or she does not want to marry the other person. Then what? According to the list the break up would be easier because they abstained from sex. Therefore they did not succumb to the illusion of intimacy sex can bring. Sex does not equal love or intimacy but it can cause bonds to be formed. Whether these bonds are beneficial or toxic depends on the individuals involved and the situation. Sex can be mechanical, sex can be primal and sex can be compartmentalized. That's why I feel when it comes to long term relationships you should always be friends first. Pepole have a tendency to confuse lust for love nowadays.

I understood your points. But..

Celibacy is only good, if all parties involved agree. Like any type of relationship, there are no guarantees and risks are necessary in order to reap the rewards. Being risk averse can hinder the growth of a relationship. Sex, despite what the author ofbthe article stated is healthy.

As for being friends, well..what type of friend? A platonic one w/o conditions? A platonic one with conditions? Is said friendship established with an agreement that both people will forsake other suitors? Is this friendship based on reciprocity or will it be one sided on either person's end?

I have no issue with someone being celibate, but I do have an issue with a celibate person wanting to be celibate when I don't want to be celibate. It is NOT a balanced relationship nor an ideal one FOR ME. To each one's own though..
 

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I have no issue with someone being celibate, but I do have an issue with a celibate person wanting to be celibate when I don't want to be celibate.
Ah I see, well in that case I think it would be best yall go your separate ways. In that scenario yall wouldn't be compatible.
 

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This is why I chose to be a virgin.

What is your situation looking like? :patrice:

I seen some threads with you talking about "big booty women" and the like. I bet you watch porn as well, so I am doubting that you are waiting because of those reasons listed in the OP. You may be in a situation where you can't get a woman which is why you are a virgin. Nothing wrong with that, but you have to be honest with yourself before improving your life, my dude. Stop lying up in here. :ufdup:
 

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Ah I see, well in that case I think it would be best yall go your separate ways. In that scenario yall wouldn't be compatible.

Exactly! I am too grown for the bs.

In conclusion..

Two consenting celibate people of a feather flock together. Two humping people of a feather flock together.

I still say that those who are in non sexual relationships should also abstain from any type of activity that may cause arousal. If they gonna not do it, then they should not do it to the fullest!! But, to each one's own once again. Lol
 

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Fuxing idiots. Nobody goes into a business deal without knowing the intimate details that surround it. That's all marriage is...a business contract between you and your spouse recognized by the state. shyt has nothing to do with god dumbs dumbs.

People think they special because of stupid shyt like this. SMH. They're just mildly retarded is really what it is. Too each his own, but it dont make you special...its just makes you "special"
 
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